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Apr 10 03:25:21 <linuxxr> upcomming gta04 is a 100ghz replacement board for the openmoko freerunner   its at http://lists.goldelico.com/pipermail/gta04-owner/
Apr 10 03:25:55 <linuxxr> yea well
Apr 10 03:26:06 <linuxxr> news flash
Apr 10 03:42:07 <prologic> Hello all. I'm doing some research into the openmoko / freerunner platform as a possible alternative to mainstream handsets for myself - being vision impaired I kind of feel I need something fairly customized to suit my needs
Apr 10 03:42:34 <prologic> Issue I have atm though (through my reading) is I can't seem to determine whether an openmoko handset even works at all - to make calls
Apr 10 03:51:05 <linuxxr> yes it does with several distros
Apr 10 03:51:29 <prologic> such as ?
Apr 10 03:51:41 <prologic> and is there only the one handset ?
Apr 10 03:51:44 <prologic> the freerunner ?
Apr 10 03:54:48 <linuxxr> qtmoko
Apr 10 03:54:51 <linuxxr> shr
Apr 10 03:54:57 <linuxxr> neovento
Apr 10 03:55:07 <prologic> hmmm
Apr 10 03:55:15 <linuxxr> did u wiki?
Apr 10 03:55:34 <linuxxr> android
Apr 10 03:56:17 <prologic> hmm
Apr 10 03:56:19 <prologic> I'm confused :)
Apr 10 03:56:22 <linuxxr> u know the wiki address?
Apr 10 03:56:23 <prologic> yeah I'm reading the wiki right now
Apr 10 03:56:33 <prologic> SHR is a software distribution though ?
Apr 10 03:56:51 <linuxxr> slackware if your realdetermined
Apr 10 03:58:20 <prologic> hmm
Apr 10 03:58:28 <prologic> I think we're on the wrong page here
Apr 10 03:58:39 <prologic> I'm wondering if there are any other handsets other than the Neo Feerunner
Apr 10 03:59:27 <linuxxr> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page
Apr 10 03:59:51 <linuxxr> n900
Apr 10 04:00:32 <linuxxr> replacement motherboard for the freerunner coming soon
Apr 10 04:02:21 <linuxxr> http://build.shr-project.org/
Apr 10 04:02:53 <linuxxr> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hackable:1
Apr 10 04:03:51 <linuxxr> htc dream
Apr 10 04:09:12 <linuxxr> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2011-April/date.html
Apr 10 04:11:00 <linuxxr> qtmoko   is (right now   i think) is most active 
Apr 10 04:11:15 <linuxxr> shr is right there with it
Apr 10 04:11:38 <linuxxr> android is polished an works well
Apr 10 04:14:36 <linuxxr> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/
Apr 10 04:32:24 <prologic> distributions are all well and good
Apr 10 04:32:30 <prologic> but I'm also interested in the hw - the handset
Apr 10 04:32:47 <prologic> afact there's only the Neo Freerunner
Apr 10 04:39:07 <linuxxr> mainly just other mfg phones that came with other software   ie   N900,HTC Dream etc
Apr 10 04:46:29 <prologic> hmm
Apr 10 04:46:34 <prologic> HTC Dream is an okay hw for me
Apr 10 04:46:41 <prologic> and openmoko will run on it ?
Apr 10 04:46:45 <linuxxr> upcomming gta04 is a 1000ghz replacement board for the openmoko freerunner   its at http://lists.goldelico.com/pipermail/gta04-owner/
Apr 10 04:47:40 <linuxxr> openmoko is a hardware developer  not an operating system
Apr 10 04:48:20 <linuxxr> qtmoko is an operating system that will work on the openmoko freerunner an others
Apr 10 04:48:49 <linuxxr> shr is an operating sys
Apr 10 04:49:16 <linuxxr> what are u looking for?
Apr 10 04:51:33 <prologic> a new phone :)
Apr 10 04:52:00 <prologic> but not a smartphone or a full-screen touchscreen phone
Apr 10 04:54:48 <linuxxr> this phone requires user input
Apr 10 04:55:03 <linuxxr> u have to flash the OS
Apr 10 04:55:44 <linuxxr> this is a DEvelopers model   --not for the public--  basicly
Apr 10 04:55:58 <linuxxr> unless u are tough
Apr 10 04:56:26 <linuxxr> u can put an os on sdcard
Apr 10 04:56:33 <linuxxr> dualboot
Apr 10 04:56:44 <linuxxr> all kinds of stuf
Apr 10 04:59:26 <prologic> oh I'm aware of that - I'm a developer myself
Apr 10 04:59:38 <prologic> I'm just not seeing a real clear picture with openmoko tbh
Apr 10 04:59:41 <linuxxr> wellthen
Apr 10 04:59:47 <prologic> and I still have the problem of - what hardware ? :)
Apr 10 05:00:21 <linuxxr> did u liik at the gta04 project link?
Apr 10 05:01:04 <linuxxr> we need more hardware  thats true
Apr 10 05:11:51 <prologic> yeah
Apr 10 05:11:54 <prologic> I "get it"
Apr 10 05:12:04 <prologic> but I still can't find a piece of hardware that I'd like to use
Apr 10 05:12:30 <linuxxr> iphone with shr?
Apr 10 05:13:47 <linuxxr> well what about all those android phones flooding the market should suit u then
Apr 10 05:15:22 <prologic> not really - because I don't need a smartphone
Apr 10 05:15:24 <prologic> I have an iPad :)
Apr 10 05:15:35 <prologic> a Sony Ericsson Elm looks like what I need/want
Apr 10 05:16:32 <prologic> gah it runs Windows 7 Mobile
Apr 10 05:16:33 <prologic> blah
Apr 10 05:16:33 <prologic> :0
Apr 10 05:19:53 <linuxxr> Sean-Moss  Pultz built the neo 1973 an the freerunner  an indicated he would like to build a future product   
Apr 10 05:20:09 <linuxxr>    then there was wikireader
Apr 10 05:20:54 <linuxxr> so now maybe he can get some more hardware built!!
Apr 10 05:21:24 <linuxxr> since openness is now more widespread
Apr 10 05:21:46 <linuxxr> openhardware is what we need
Apr 10 05:22:32 <Zeti> morning
Apr 10 05:22:41 <Zeti> I have a small problem with my freerunner
Apr 10 05:22:47 <Zeti> when I connect it to my wlan
Apr 10 05:22:52 <Zeti> it says it's connected
Apr 10 05:22:56 <Zeti> iwconfig confirms that
Apr 10 05:23:03 <Zeti> but ifconfig doesn't give me an IP
Apr 10 05:23:10 <Zeti> and nmap doesn't find it either
Apr 10 05:23:31 <Zeti> (i.e. running nmap on my notebook finds only my router and the notebook)
Apr 10 05:23:38 <Zeti> any ideas?
Apr 10 06:41:33 <PaulFertser> Zeti2: ifconfig is not supposed to give you an ip
Apr 10 06:41:41 <PaulFertser> Zeti2: you have to use a dhcp client
Apr 10 06:41:43 <Zeti2> hi paul
Apr 10 06:41:44 <Zeti2> yes
Apr 10 06:41:49 <PaulFertser> Zeti2: hi :)
Apr 10 06:41:52 <Zeti2> ifconfig doesn't show an IP
Apr 10 06:41:57 <Zeti2> that's what I meant
Apr 10 06:41:58 <Zeti2> anyway
Apr 10 06:42:03 <Zeti2> it seems the router is broken
Apr 10 06:42:13 <Zeti2> my laptop doesn't get an IP either
Apr 10 06:42:27 <Zeti2> (it was running for 1 week so I didn't notice)
Apr 10 06:42:32 <PaulFertser> Zeti2: heh
Apr 10 06:42:39 <PaulFertser> Zeti2: anyway, you might want to read this: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-February/060373.html
Apr 10 06:59:11 <Zeti2> hmm
Apr 10 06:59:15 <Zeti2> nmap shows me:
Apr 10 06:59:33 <Zeti2> 67/udp    open          dhcps?
Apr 10 06:59:33 <Zeti2> | dhcp-discover:  
Apr 10 06:59:33 <Zeti2> |   IP Offered: 192.168.1.2
Apr 10 06:59:33 <Zeti2> |   DHCP Message Type: DHCPOFFER
Apr 10 06:59:33 <Zeti2> |   Server Identifier: 192.168.1.1
Apr 10 06:59:34 <Zeti2> |   IP Address Lease Time: 49710 days, 6:28:15
Apr 10 06:59:36 <Zeti2> |   Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Apr 10 06:59:38 <Zeti2> |   Router: 192.168.1.1
Apr 10 06:59:40 <Zeti2> |_  Domain Name Server: 192.168.1.1
Apr 10 06:59:43 <Zeti2> seems dhcp is running, isn't it?
Apr 10 06:59:50 <Zeti2> why don't get an IP then...
Apr 10 07:02:03 <Zeti2> now it works...
Apr 10 15:52:27 <PBeck> hi
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