**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 28 02:59:58 2011 Apr 28 09:38:10 Hello, Apr 28 09:38:41 I'm trying to download "gpssight" but I cannot access to the server Apr 28 09:39:05 v Apr 28 09:39:08 http://pastie.org/1842685 Apr 28 09:39:23 oups sorry.... Apr 28 09:42:29 the page is: Apr 28 09:42:54 http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/gpv Apr 28 09:43:14 cannot access to this page for downloading gpssight Apr 28 09:43:31 so where to get it? Apr 28 12:08:29 where to get the gpssight sources? Apr 28 13:40:33 Is there a decent openmoko phone? Apr 28 13:53:13 lolcat: what do you mean "decent", a phone that you can make calls? Apr 28 13:53:28 or a computer that can make calls? Apr 28 13:53:57 A computer that can make calls Apr 28 13:54:01 Like the N900 Apr 28 13:54:08 Only with more ram, and maybe a dual-core? Apr 28 13:54:12 No. Apr 28 13:54:16 There isn't. Apr 28 13:55:17 Does anyone know a computer that can make calls, that fits in my pocket and has a qwerty keyboard then? Apr 28 13:58:14 n900 Apr 28 13:58:50 In principle you could fit double the RAM - in pracrtice - probably not Apr 28 14:05:16 lolcat: or maybe look at the next GTA04 (without keyboard) Apr 28 14:06:41 SpeedEvil: It is velded on Apr 28 14:08:02 cosmos_: otg? You don't have hostmoe? Apr 28 14:09:54 hostmoe? Apr 28 14:12:29 Hostmode Apr 28 14:12:36 the N900 has USB hostmode Apr 28 14:13:35 GTA04 will probably have USB2, the actual freerunner have only USB1 Apr 28 14:13:53 host and device mode Apr 28 14:13:58 both Apr 28 14:17:33 *will*, it isn't for sale yet? Apr 28 14:17:53 gta04.org says not Apr 28 14:17:59 lolcat: not yet Apr 28 14:18:02 Bah Apr 28 14:18:10 No decent phones in the world Apr 28 14:18:31 ack... Apr 28 14:18:37 <- waiting for gta04 Apr 28 14:20:20 has gta04 a easy access to microsd, it without having to remove sim ? Apr 28 14:20:28 * pabs3 would wait for gta04, the FR case design and other stuff needs a refresh Apr 28 14:20:33 s/4/5/ Apr 28 14:21:47 pab3: yes multitouch screen also wuld be nice Apr 28 14:21:49 for me a good one whould have two microsd with at least one with external access and esay insertion/removal. Apr 28 14:22:01 pabs:* Apr 28 14:22:11 nullix: ack Apr 28 14:22:18 nullix: one for system, one for data Apr 28 14:22:32 nullix: or extra data... Apr 28 14:22:33 seems smart Apr 28 14:22:33 lolcat: Soldering is not welding. Apr 28 14:23:05 yay, welding chips on... Apr 28 14:23:10 SpeedEvil: Same principle Apr 28 14:23:19 lolcat: Fundamentally different. Apr 28 14:23:27 Still Apr 28 14:23:34 I cant add more ram Apr 28 14:23:40 Welding is joining materials by melting thebase materials. Apr 28 14:23:50 Soldering uses a low-temperature alloy to join them. Apr 28 14:24:04 The average user can't, no. Apr 28 14:24:13 And the yields of attempting it would be at best poor Apr 28 14:24:35 the yield would be 4x as much ram Apr 28 14:24:56 The yield in terms of successful operations per attempt at upgrade. Apr 28 14:25:22 But openmoko Apr 28 14:25:26 The gta04 Apr 28 14:25:33 How much ram? what cpu? Apr 28 14:27:08 http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/ Apr 28 14:28:02 that site doesnt mention ram Apr 28 14:28:10 and it was the site I was allready on Apr 28 14:28:45 Well - look atthemailinglists. Apr 28 14:29:32 Why isn't there an easy spech site? Apr 28 14:29:49 Because it's really not a mass market product Apr 28 14:30:04 Also - the gta04 will not have a keyboard Apr 28 14:30:23 Neither is the N900, but still it has plenty of easy spech sites Apr 28 14:30:35 The n900 is mas-market Apr 28 14:30:41 nope Apr 28 14:30:43 It's sold several hundred thousand. Apr 28 14:31:00 The gta04 people I suspect would be astonished at sales of 10000 Apr 28 14:31:05 Why isn't openmoko? Apr 28 14:31:23 GTA04 is not a product of openmoko coirporate Apr 28 14:31:27 corporate. Apr 28 14:31:37 OM basically screwed the pooch back in 2007., Apr 28 14:32:02 When they could have had an open-source phone iwtha working dialer and calls and powersave, and GTK, for xmas 2007. Apr 28 14:32:33 Does the gta04 have powersave and a working dialer? Apr 28 14:32:35 They basically mised the board, going for shinier hardware and software - ut got ran over by the herd of androids and apples. Apr 28 14:32:55 I'm unsure as to the software. I iamagine a variant of SHR Apr 28 14:33:17 To call GTA04 a 'hobby' product would be unfair. Apr 28 14:33:31 But to call it a mass-market product would also be unfair. Apr 28 14:33:51 So would it replace my N900? Apr 28 14:34:06 It has nokeyboard. Apr 28 14:34:15 but like application wise Apr 28 14:34:20 Can I connect it to a tv? Apr 28 14:34:20 The software is going to be at best - lots less polished. Apr 28 14:34:33 Imagine the n900. Apr 28 14:34:40 With 1/1000th of the development budget. Apr 28 14:34:45 And all the issues that entials. Apr 28 14:34:59 And without the cool community? Apr 28 14:35:08 I'd like debian with _current_ FSO stack, dialer and stuff Apr 28 14:35:15 (on the FR too) Apr 28 14:35:26 Wonka: I have debian on my phone! Apr 28 14:35:27 With sales of well under 10000 - the chance of as large a community as maemo is small. Apr 28 14:35:45 lolcat: I have a runnable debian on the uSD card in my FR too Apr 28 14:35:47 Wonka: pkg-fso needs help Apr 28 14:35:51 FR? Apr 28 14:36:08 lolcat: FreeRunner aka GTA02 Apr 28 14:36:23 lolcat: but I didn't manage to get a GPRS connection up yet Apr 28 14:36:51 I have freemantle on my phone Apr 28 14:37:11 Can I install openmoko on my N900? Apr 28 14:37:47 you can install SHR, and there is pkg-n900 folks working on Debian on the N900 Apr 28 14:38:39 The N900 has debian... Apr 28 14:38:52 Maemo is debian based Apr 28 14:39:23 pabs3: well, I don't get around with building SHR myself... Apr 28 14:39:35 lolcat: "based" is the key there Apr 28 14:39:38 pabs3: maybe I'm not the biggest help for pkg-fso Apr 28 14:40:34 you never know until you try :) Apr 28 14:41:25 pabs3: I don't see why they just cant copy the dialer, drivers, and usefull features, and then put it in debian on n900 Apr 28 14:41:59 thats what pkg-n900 is for, getting the stuff that is only in Maemo and putting it in Debian Apr 28 14:42:11 ahh Apr 28 14:42:13 same for pkg-fso Apr 28 14:42:17 Oh Apr 28 14:42:23 What is pkg-fso? Apr 28 14:42:52 people supporting Debian on gta02/01, mainly packaging the freesmartphone.org stack Apr 28 14:43:19 but also apps like intone, neon etc Apr 28 14:43:39 * pabs3 is reminded he needs to package some touch-friendly games Apr 28 14:44:20 COuld you install Maemo on the gta04? Apr 28 14:44:41 No. Apr 28 14:44:59 What cpu is it? Apr 28 14:45:05 Maemo also comprises binary elements which cannot be redistributed. Apr 28 14:45:07 See above page Apr 28 14:45:43 OMAP3530 / DM3730 Apr 28 14:45:46 Is that arm? Apr 28 14:46:07 yes Apr 28 14:47:20 Maemo runs on arm Apr 28 14:47:26 Openmoko runs on arm Apr 28 14:47:33 OPenmoko can run on N900 Apr 28 14:47:43 Maemo cannot run on Openmoko-phones? Apr 28 14:48:09 there is no such thing as Openmoko software :P Apr 28 14:48:45 and maemo also... well, it's not a distribution, but parts of it are in eg. Debian Apr 28 14:49:09 Maemo is an OS Apr 28 14:50:00 yes, a largely proprietary OS in the sense that there is no complete distribution of it anywhere (except what Mer was, ie. maemo reconstructed) Apr 28 14:50:19 which is why MeeGo is nicely what maemo should have been Apr 28 14:50:41 MeeGo has a crap UI Apr 28 14:51:51 Meego doesn't have a UI Apr 28 14:52:03 Meego has a placeholder for what is put on top of it by vendors. Apr 28 14:53:29 Okey Apr 28 14:53:36 Still, maemo is better Apr 28 15:27:11 No way to find gpssight sources? Apr 28 15:27:20 or eve .ipk packages? Apr 28 15:27:25 even* Apr 28 15:37:26 cosmos_: IIRC eve is in the default SHR images, so you should be able to install it from there Apr 28 15:42:04 cosmos_: for gpssight: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2010-December/006413.html Apr 28 20:06:50 is it possible to spoof the mac on one of the openmoko phones? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 29 02:59:57 2011