**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 30 02:59:59 2011 May 30 03:04:08 any boards yet? gta04? May 30 03:04:44 any ideas for case designs for an 05? May 30 03:05:46 If it was me designing it - I'd be tempted to talk to these people - http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultrathin-bluetooth-slide-out-keyboard-hard-case-for-apple-iphone-4-black-65669 May 30 03:07:50 32 dollars May 30 03:07:59 wow May 30 03:08:10 yup get on them May 30 03:09:07 so they may be intrested in the whole open thing which would be GREAT May 30 03:10:34 The slider mechanism adds lots to the cost of a design - and this would in principle let you skip it. May 30 03:11:17 abs would be good would it not? May 30 03:12:55 Umm - what? May 30 03:13:13 Oh - well - it's a bit more complex than just selecting a case material. May 30 05:10:52 Fox_Muldr, I tried this:http://shr-users-discussions.2691941.n2.nabble.com/No-audio-in-current-SHR-U-td6256875.html#a6258567 May 30 05:10:59 or at least the closest I could come to May 30 05:11:06 but unfortunately it didn't work **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon May 30 18:58:39 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 30 19:00:14 2011 May 30 19:27:15 PaulFertser, you there? May 30 19:27:24 Zeti: yep May 30 19:27:45 I made a little progress with my sound problem from yesterday but didn't get very far May 30 19:27:58 I found a couple of mailing list posts about broken scenario or state files May 30 19:28:04 but none of the offered fixes works May 30 19:28:19 I didn't even find where on my hd the scenarios are located May 30 19:28:31 you got ore info on this topic? May 30 19:28:36 *more May 30 19:29:36 Zeti: ok, gimme a minute. May 30 19:30:38 no problem May 30 19:30:56 getting your attention is a priviledge not a right :-) May 30 19:36:33 Zeti: probably the package is called fso-alsa? May 30 19:37:21 opkg doesn't know it May 30 19:37:54 that's the closest I can find: alsa-state - 0.2.0-r21.6 - Alsa Scenario Files May 30 19:38:03 Zeti: ask opkg to which package /etc/freesmartphone/om-gta02/default/gsmhandset belongs May 30 19:38:28 the folder om-gta02 does not exist May 30 19:38:36 Zeti: find /etc -name gsmhandset May 30 19:39:16 /etc/freesmartphone/conf/openmoko_gta/alsa-/gsmhandset May 30 19:39:45 Zeti: yes, ask opkg about that file. May 30 19:41:01 fsodeviced May 30 19:41:06 in different versions May 30 19:41:35 ah sry May 30 19:41:40 that's four times the same version May 30 19:42:00 shall I reinstall it? May 30 19:42:28 Zeti: yes May 30 19:48:37 my phone suspended May 30 19:48:39 damn -_- May 30 19:49:14 Zeti: that's probably because of fsodeviced restart. May 30 19:49:23 yeah May 30 19:49:29 Zeti: it'd be easier to fully reboot for you i guess. May 30 19:49:40 it happened after Start fsodeviced (ok) May 30 19:49:42 ok May 30 19:49:44 then a reboot May 30 19:50:15 it seems sshd went down as well May 30 19:55:28 ok May 30 19:55:32 the folder was touched at least May 30 19:55:52 is there another way to check this besides actually calling? May 30 19:56:11 Isn't there a toll-free number to call? May 30 19:58:53 that doesn't got two ways usually May 30 19:59:17 I'll call myself :_P May 30 20:00:05 works May 30 20:00:06 thx May 30 20:00:54 I owe you one May 30 20:05:15 :) May 30 20:05:33 Sorry i didn't suggest that earlier, i thought it's trivial. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon May 30 20:11:13 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 30 20:12:15 2011 May 30 20:12:21 if you know where to look May 30 20:12:30 last time I operated in /usr **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 31 07:34:15 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 31 07:48:14 2011 May 31 08:47:18 Hi. May 31 08:47:55 Are there any other mobile devices supported other than those on the webpage? May 31 08:53:50 Where can I but an GTAx phone? May 31 08:56:34 michaelis: some distributors still sell it. May 31 08:56:49 pulster.de May 31 08:56:57 And others May 31 09:00:41 Is the phone supported any more? May 31 09:00:52 PaulFertser? May 31 09:13:09 Are there any other devices supported then? Any other mobile brands? May 31 09:13:12 Some one? May 31 09:13:28 michaelis: it depends what you mean by "supported"... May 31 09:17:00 radekp: I would like to buy an Samsung GT-B7300 Omnia Lite and I'm really interested in running an free OS on it. That's what I mean with supported. May 31 09:18:22 michaelis: hmm i am quite sure this wont work - you can probably have running Android with some proprietary binaries May 31 09:19:23 michaelis: do you _know_ that deploying your own OS on that phone is possible? May 31 09:19:24 michaelis: if you want free OS, you can now buy GTA02 and then upgrade to GTA04 May 31 09:23:06 michaelis: this is the only way to get "free OS", other phones some non-free components May 31 09:23:56 michaelis: other quite decent hardware is http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Hardware May 31 09:23:57 Ok. May 31 09:24:00 I understand. May 31 09:24:42 It is possible to deploy LiMo on that phone but it is not a free OS. May 31 09:33:06 no idea about limo May 31 09:33:49 radekp: It doesn't matter. May 31 09:35:01 michaelis: btw you can't clearly separate os from hardware, e.g. you can download all sources of Android, but you always need hardware where it should run May 31 09:35:47 radekp: I understand. May 31 09:35:51 michaelis: and then you realize that all android devices are using hardware/vendor specific drivers for modem, gps and other stuff May 31 09:36:07 and these drivers are closed source May 31 09:36:11 radekp: I see. May 31 09:36:49 radekp: Is the GTA02 open hardware then? May 31 09:37:21 michaelis: very open - you can download schematics, most of the hardware is easy to talk to May 31 09:37:53 michaelis: e.g. you can use AT commands for talking to modem, read NMEA from GPS May 31 09:39:03 radekp: That's very good. But I have no idea where to get it. On pulster.de there's only the Freenode phone. You are from Poland, right? May 31 09:39:30 michaelis: from czech republic actually May 31 09:39:56 which doesn't mean that the hardware in combination is any good... May 31 09:40:15 michaelis: i think pulster.de is very good shop May 31 09:40:17 radekp: Radek is also a very common polish name. May 31 09:40:25 henk: yup unfotunately :( May 31 09:40:42 radekp: Why? May 31 09:41:00 henk: Please share your thoughts. May 31 09:41:33 michaelis: you can buy much better phones - those that are non-free May 31 09:42:19 michaelis: there were quite a few mistakes made in the design which made different revisions necessary. some actually are usable as a phone, some are not at all without heavily modifying the hardware. May 31 09:42:25 michaelis: they are faster, have better display - the software is much better tuned and tested, because they are sold in millions May 31 09:42:51 radekp: Yes I can. But it would be nice to have everything open and free. At least the OS could be free but there seams to be no free OS except for openmoko. May 31 09:44:27 some other things i just heard/read some months/years ago and don't quite understand them, but afair the hardware is not as open as people would want it to be. components like the display and the graphics hardware are not made for each other and not fine-tuned, thus graphics are slow, resolution could be higher and things like that.. May 31 09:44:49 I see. May 31 09:44:52 michaelis: maemo/meego? May 31 09:45:10 only hardware so far is the nokia n900 though, afaik May 31 09:45:22 henk: And it's not cheap. May 31 09:45:33 hmm n900 is really cheap here May 31 09:45:34 freerunner neither... May 31 09:45:44 I'm going out for lunch. Bbl. May 31 09:45:57 * radekp has one for 8500 CZK or so which is ~ 250EUR May 31 09:46:08 * radekp too :) May 31 09:46:08 about as much as a freerunner iirc? May 31 09:46:14 yup May 31 09:46:18 and much better hardware... May 31 09:46:24 FR was even more expencive May 31 09:46:34 the HW is really nice, yes May 31 09:46:49 and it works 'g' May 31 09:47:14 yup, works great :) May 31 09:47:38 but Freerunner is so much better fun... May 31 09:48:06 it's really fun... when you don't think of it as a phone. May 31 10:26:51 So you don't recommend Freerunner? May 31 10:34:56 michaelis: i have been using it as my only phone for 2 years, i think with some stable distribution it's quite usable May 31 10:41:06 michaelis: if you want to play with the phone, if you want to test and fix bugs in the software i think Freerunner is for you May 31 10:41:55 michaelis: if you want just phone - then buy N900 May 31 10:45:37 radekp: I get the point. Thank you. May 31 10:45:49 I hope I can find one cheap on ebay. May 31 10:49:08 michaelis: good luck :) May 31 10:51:34 radekp: I need it. Not one phone on either ebay.co.uk or ebay.de. May 31 10:52:02 radekp: Maybe I'll just buy a phone with proprietary hardware and software. May 31 23:18:13 Is there an openmoko emulator that will allow me to run an image on the computer with mouse support? May 31 23:18:36 Oh I think I see my answer **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 01 02:59:56 2011