**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 03 02:59:57 2011 Jul 03 12:38:40 hey there Jul 03 12:39:18 say, i'm trying to boot the kernel from a 1GB SD card, yet the bootloader (uBoot?) shows it as a 512M card and doesn't boot it Jul 03 12:39:38 could it mean that freerunner supports only cards up to 512M? Jul 03 12:53:48 zear: did you try Qi? Jul 03 12:54:01 h4v, no, i don't want to mess with bootloader flashing Jul 03 12:57:36 btw, what's the current "most usable" distro for freerunner? I need something that can be operated by an end-user and has all the stuff needed to make phone calls/sms, etc Jul 03 12:58:03 IMO qtmoko if you don't need full X Jul 03 12:58:15 yeah, full X11 probably won't be needed Jul 03 12:58:24 as long as there are 3rd party applications for qt Jul 03 12:58:29 like games and stuff Jul 03 12:58:51 i'd say very limited Jul 03 12:58:56 being able to make phone calls is a priority, but the user also said he wants to be able to install 3rd party apps Jul 03 12:59:20 and i don't want to install him SHR, because that has a very slow reaction time, and from my experience, glitches a lot Jul 03 12:59:53 SHR has a perfect software base, but is definitely not for an end user Jul 03 13:01:17 if SHR's software base is perfect then qtmoko's should be sufficent Jul 03 13:01:53 and use qi instead of uboot, it's maintained and user friendly Jul 03 13:02:10 h4v, it doesn't have the graphical boot menu, does it? Jul 03 13:02:28 and i read somewhere that it's harder to revert back to uboot Jul 03 13:02:37 no, it doesn't Jul 03 13:02:58 i just got myself a second freerunner (still didn't receive the mail), and i'm thinking of giving it to my brother, who needs a new phone Jul 03 13:03:23 he mainly needs it for calling (that's why i think qtmoko should be perfect), but he said he also wants to play games (he probably thought of j2me) Jul 03 13:03:32 qi boots faster Jul 03 13:03:45 h4v, how faster? SHR boots in about 5min for me Jul 03 13:03:56 if qi can boot in 1min, i'm gonna switch right away :D Jul 03 13:04:09 about twice as fast Jul 03 13:05:13 wow, impressive Jul 03 13:05:30 i always wondered what would happen if i needed to make an emergency call and the phone is off Jul 03 13:05:43 5min can be a matter of life or death Jul 03 13:06:09 also, SHR often boots without turning the modem on Jul 03 13:06:18 so i have to reboot and hope next time the modem will be up Jul 03 13:54:26 h4v: SHR unstable is pretty fast and UI responsive these days, almost on par with QtMoko Jul 03 13:55:12 how stable it is? Jul 03 13:56:26 not sure, I haven't been using it due to the white screen issues, just played around with the UI Jul 03 13:56:56 * pabs3 wishes his Debian/E17 install was as fast as SHR Jul 03 14:17:07 anyone know if it is possible to add additional maps in NeronGPS like you can in tangogps? Jul 03 14:24:36 you can use TangoGPS tiles with NeronGPS Jul 03 14:24:41 http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/qtmoko/index.php?title=FAQ#NeronGPS_using_FoxtrotGPS.2C_omgps.2C_Tangogps_tiles.3F Jul 03 14:25:20 I've generally downloaded those on my laptop and then rsync to Freerunner :) Jul 03 14:32:12 * pabs3 did the same when using E17 based distros, starting to do that with NeronGPS Jul 03 14:33:52 hmm, I need a script to convert my foxtrotgps gconf settings to nerongps config Jul 03 14:40:26 OK, that I can't help with :) I just setup NeronGPS by hand... Jul 03 14:47:51 I wonder if there is also any way to make it go to the last viewed location on startup instead of the default location Jul 03 14:50:19 that's something I'd like know as well Jul 03 14:50:44 I've added some common locations as POI's which I can at least access easily Jul 03 15:43:05 anyone ever make a battery extender cable so you can take out the battery and keep the device running? Jul 03 15:54:38 yes Jul 03 16:03:27 SpeedEvil: do you have a link? Jul 03 16:06:39 No Jul 03 16:06:52 It was three croc-clips, with the teeth removed so they were thin Jul 03 17:16:59 a umber of devices can run from USB without battery. Not for active GSM though. OTOH for GSM working properly you need a *really FAT* extender cable as well, mustn't have >0.1Ohm total parasitary resistance. At OM labs those looked like a braid made of ~30 1.5mm^2 cables ;-) Jul 03 17:18:57 pabs3: ^^^ Jul 03 20:48:36 hello all. I'm trying to lessen echo with partial luck. Jul 03 20:49:53 Unfortunately, when I change one of the values from 116 to 80 I need to use speaker to talk... Jul 03 20:50:48 Is there any value that should be twaeked using alsamixer other than mono? Jul 03 21:01:19 aloniv: take a look at the page i mentioned, "Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem" Jul 03 21:25:16 ok will do... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 04 02:59:57 2011