**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 07 02:59:56 2011 Jul 07 08:09:25 hello folks Jul 07 08:09:59 the instructions for flashing the NAND mention a jffs2 filesystem Jul 07 08:10:17 I suppose I can flash any (ext2) FS as well in there. Correct? Jul 07 08:48:13 michelem: you can flash any filesystem on NAND but most of them shall not be mounted rw Jul 07 08:48:52 essentially I want to get rid of the native system on NAND to avoid confusion when the uSD does not work Jul 07 08:49:24 I had occasions where the uSD failed (or the moko stopped being able to access it) and user got a similar-looking system, starting from NAND Jul 07 08:53:58 so you want to disable booting from NAND? Jul 07 08:58:13 either disable boot from NAND, or replace the NAND system with something that displays some "An error occurred" Jul 07 08:58:36 btw, is there a ready-made busybox system for the moko around? Jul 07 09:01:35 you could try qi-bootmenu http://www.brain-dump.org/projects/qi-bootmenu/ Jul 07 09:03:26 looks good advice Jul 07 09:05:10 you can also store an alternate distro on NAND Jul 07 09:07:04 yes, thatàs the path I had in mind Jul 07 09:07:14 however, qibootloader is expressive enough Jul 07 09:07:28 my goal is just to say "there's something wrong here, return the device" Jul 07 09:13:50 the docs for that project sucks Jul 07 09:14:06 is there any way to display a custom message somewhere in qi-bootmenu? Jul 07 09:27:14 michelem: what distro are you using Jul 07 09:27:33 debian, but how does that matter for qi-bootmenu? Jul 07 09:31:46 I'm too busy to look at the qi-bootmenu sources Jul 07 09:35:50 but I was thinking to use a minimal distro and end puting the message on fb Jul 07 09:37:29 with cat image >/dev/fb0 Jul 07 09:58:05 hey there Jul 07 09:58:19 can anybody tell me which qi image do i need to use for SHR? Jul 07 09:58:43 there's nothing about that in their docs, and in the folder the doc links me to there are 6 different qi images with the same upload date Jul 07 09:59:19 here's where they link me to: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/?C=N;O=A Jul 07 10:07:23 zear: the GTA02 s3c2442 , the GTA01 s3c2442 if is using an ubi fs on NAND get the -ubi- variants Jul 07 10:07:42 jluis, ah, thanks Jul 07 10:08:16 zear: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi#Installation Jul 07 10:08:23 they mention the exact download link. Jul 07 10:08:45 michelem, i saw that page, but it says "OTE: The below Qi are for Openmoko. E.g. for SHR - use Qi from the SHR directory if newer. " Jul 07 10:08:47 s/GTA01 s3c2442/GTA01 s3c2410/ Jul 07 10:08:47 jluis meant: zear: the GTA02 s3c2442 , the GTA01 s3c2410 if is using an ubi fs on NAND get the -ubi- variants Jul 07 10:25:11 ok, SHR is now installed, thank you guys :) Jul 07 10:31:25 oww, this is terrible Jul 07 10:31:29 SHR freezes as well Jul 07 10:31:39 so far there have been no distro that would be stable on my new freerunner Jul 07 10:35:37 terrible, SHR just crashed again Jul 07 10:41:03 do you have swap enabled? Jul 07 10:41:22 no, there's nothing about swap in the documentation of any of the distros i tried Jul 07 10:41:38 besides, i've been using SHR for years on my second freerunner, without swap or anything Jul 07 10:41:42 and it was working very wello Jul 07 10:41:43 *well Jul 07 10:41:47 OK, that's wierd then Jul 07 10:42:03 it has quite an old version of SHR i assume Jul 07 10:42:19 but it looks like there was regression in all the distros i tried now Jul 07 10:42:49 if it crashes hard there could be some hardware problem as well? Jul 07 10:42:51 i'm quite disappointed, but on the other hand, this is all a community work, so i can't complain much Jul 07 10:43:13 no, it's more like it becomes sluggish and then finally it stops responding Jul 07 10:43:19 but i bet you could still log on via ssh Jul 07 10:43:25 ok Jul 07 10:43:51 i guess my brother will have to switch back to his lg cookie Jul 07 10:44:11 there's literally no usable distro for the freerunner, unless you don't mind random crashes and slowdowns ;) Jul 07 10:46:10 well, my qtmoko kept freezing up when it used too much memory, adding swap helped with that... but you might have a totally different problem Jul 07 10:47:23 but I'm not a heavy user of the freerunner so I might just not have encountered those problems Jul 07 10:47:48 Sazius, at the time i decided to buy a second freerunner i was hoping qtmoko will be my last resort distro. You know, my brother dislikes all the other distors, then i flash something that actually works Jul 07 10:48:00 but it looks like qtmoko is as unstable as the others on this unit Jul 07 10:48:34 any particular situation when it starts acting up? Jul 07 10:48:56 in qtmoko? Well, once we froze it on answering a call Jul 07 10:49:04 the other time it happened when randomly launching some apps Jul 07 10:49:14 we didn't test further on, but moved to other distros Jul 07 10:49:55 plus, the on-screen keyboard (the one that's best for finger typing) is usually missaligned and partially out of the screen Jul 07 10:50:11 this is a show-stopper for my brother and he said he won't be using a phone he can't type with his fingers on Jul 07 10:50:59 I don't remember on-screen keyboard being out of screen at any time in qtmoko... very strange... Jul 07 10:51:15 Sazius, maybe i have a newer version of qtmoko Jul 07 10:51:21 where stuff is broken ;P Jul 07 10:51:46 Sazius, all the other keyboards are displayed correctly, but they're too small for finger typing :( Jul 07 10:51:49 I believe I have v35, which should be quite recent Jul 07 10:52:13 Sazius, i guess it's the same we tried Jul 07 10:52:42 when you have a textarea on the bottom of the screen, the keyboard will appear on the top of the screen, above the textarea Jul 07 10:52:57 and that's when the finger keyboard is being drawn partially out of the screen Jul 07 10:53:34 hmm, ok Jul 07 10:54:09 and what about the "official" firmware? The om or whatever it's called? Jul 07 10:54:13 is it usable yet? Jul 07 10:54:35 last time i tried it (circa 2008) it didn't even support typing sim card PIN ;) Jul 07 10:55:47 no idea, I've never used that :) Jul 07 10:56:10 oh, it's abandoned and it lacks basic features like the screen lock Jul 07 10:56:23 i don't feel like calling someone randomly while having freerunner in my pocket ;) Jul 07 10:59:07 I've personally settled for qtmoko as the "least bad" distro, but as I said I don't use it as an every day phone... Jul 07 10:59:38 and after fixing the swap-thing I haven't seen any crashes, but again I generally use it a few hours per week for GPS :) Jul 07 11:02:01 although this discussion got me thinking that I should try it as my main phone for a few days :) Jul 07 11:02:59 :D **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 08 02:59:58 2011