**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 20 02:59:56 2011 Aug 20 10:51:42 chandra (= ML + people.om.org + $random_other_OM) online again Aug 20 16:19:27 hello, any gta01+debian users around? I'm looking for the latest kernel, need some newer stuff than 2009 Aug 20 19:05:22 ahven: hey Aug 20 19:05:38 ahven: i'm afraid nobody was testing anything newer than 2.6.29 andy-tracking on gta01... Aug 20 19:06:20 ahven: in fact i probably tried a new kernel once but something went wrong and i lacked enough motivation to dig deeper. Aug 20 19:13:27 PaulFertser: ok, thanks for the answer :) Aug 20 19:13:57 QtMoko seems nice and fast to use Aug 20 19:16:21 ahven: on gta01? Aug 20 19:16:39 yep Aug 20 19:17:14 ahven: are you still using the original battery? Aug 20 19:17:59 yep, but seems that it doesn't want to charge not so well anymore, have to let it be alone for a while Aug 20 19:20:10 ahven: you can use a nokia battery but you'll have to use an external charger for it. Aug 20 19:22:10 remember reading about it, does it just not charge while in the phone? Aug 20 19:22:27 or can the charging attempts damage the battery? Aug 20 19:28:37 ahven: just doesn't charge. Due to stupids from fic choosing a reference resistor according to the example in the pcf50606 datasheet and not to nokia... Aug 20 19:28:46 (thermistor reference i mean) Aug 20 19:31:17 ahven: by changing one register in pcf50606 you can make it charge at ~120mA iirc, but for that to make sense you'd have to put it to suspend to ram (as the current is also used to power the device itself). And if you do proper "poweroff" it'll start magically charge with 500mA. Aug 20 19:32:03 hehe, seems easier to swap batteries in a daily basis :P Aug 20 19:40:29 ahven: i've bought a "bl6-c" battery on ebay for ~3EUR (free shipping) and it seems to work reasonably well (but tbh i haven't measured the actual capacity) for that price. Aug 20 19:40:59 PaulFertser: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/pisen-bl-6c-replacement-3-7v-1200mah-li-ion-battery-for-nokia-7700-2110-2116-2125-more-39117 similar to this? Aug 20 19:42:47 ahven: probably this one is better. The one i have looks exactly like the original nokia battery, even with the hologram. Aug 20 20:03:30 hmm, pretty ok so far - charge_full reports 850000 Aug 20 20:04:03 andit it's at 816 already Aug 20 20:06:24 ahven: measuring voltage is not a really reliable way to estimate charge amount, especially during the charge process. And 850mAh is hardcoded. Aug 20 20:07:16 hardcoded? Aug 20 20:07:33 ahven: yes, i hardcoded it as the reasonable guess about the actual battery capacity. Aug 20 20:08:10 ok Aug 20 20:08:54 ahven: if you look at charge % it'll hopefully be somewhat indicative, but only after you unplug the charger. Aug 20 20:10:24 ahven: i'm using the very same driver myself now (as my gta02 battery has lost its capacity) but i can't really tell how well it works, for me it's good enough. Aug 20 20:17:25 will do that, a full charge, or atleast 99, and will leave it for the night Aug 20 20:27:39 hi Aug 20 20:39:46 damn oversight, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnNeo1973 Aug 20 20:39:56 have to try this tomorrow Aug 20 20:40:29 once I have determined how good is QtMoko in terms of idling with GSM on Aug 20 20:41:11 ahven: 2.6.24? Sounds too old ;) Aug 20 20:42:19 the hardware is too :) Aug 20 20:42:47 ahven: also, if you are actually using your device, i'd suggest you stay with qtmoko. Aug 20 20:42:56 ahven: plain debian is less usable. Aug 20 20:43:15 you might be right on that one Aug 20 20:43:38 ahven: i'm using only debian on my gta02 for two years, and it's a pain. Aug 20 20:43:39 if QtMoko can function normally, I just make it my work phone :P Aug 20 20:43:59 ahven: i'm using self-compiled fso2 and an emacs ui. Aug 20 20:44:59 well, there are more optimisations in the gta02 device, some of the bigger PM bugs are still in 01, I remember Aug 20 20:45:46 that wiki page hasn't been updated for some time and nobody is actively working on it either, I presume Aug 20 20:49:37 just my luck - "After a few suspend/resume cycles, bluetooth stops working. This is fixed since v24." Aug 20 20:49:45 and the latest for gta01 is v24 ;) Aug 20 20:50:35 though I didn't see any BT devices found Aug 20 20:51:25 ahven: you can do manually everything needed to get bt working. Aug 20 20:51:43 ahven: lsusb will tell you if the bt adapter is there. If not -- you should use some sysfs files to power it on. Aug 20 20:51:54 ahven: and when it's on, bluetoothd should be started. Aug 20 20:52:41 will wake up the device in some 30 minutes, to find out exactly 60m battery drainage Aug 20 20:53:25 ahven: i've a "testbed" here consisting of a gta01 attached to a battery via ampermeter... Aug 20 20:56:59 PaulFertser: and the lowest numbers you have seen? Aug 20 20:57:39 ahven: i guess it was about 19mA (with manually turning off the sound amplifier with alsamixer before putting to suspend). Aug 20 21:03:35 hmm, blueman actually works, do I finally use BT with a GUI program? :) Aug 20 21:09:14 so in a perfect world gta01 could function 2 whole days, without doing anything with it? Aug 20 21:09:31 with a perfect, 1200 mAh, battery :) Aug 20 21:18:23 ahven: in a perfect world a perfect developer would identify where the hell the extra current flows and would eliminate the leaks :) Aug 20 21:18:43 okay, 60 minutes - 100 to 55% :) Aug 20 21:19:07 the profile *should* be setting itself to sleep in 40 secs of idle Aug 20 21:19:42 a) big drain, b) battery almost dead Aug 20 21:20:18 ahven: or probably not charged enough. While on charge it can seem having >20% more than it actually has. Aug 20 21:22:19 load average: 0.19, 0.08, 0.02 Aug 20 21:22:37 software seems to behave, compared to the stock software Aug 20 22:10:01 hehe... 04 has IrDA also? that was new :) Aug 20 22:10:29 /s/has/going to have/ Aug 20 22:17:32 is it me or this battery is bulging a bit **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 21 02:59:57 2011