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Dec 10 05:45:24 <PaulFertser> Qantourisc: SHR
Dec 10 05:45:30 <PaulFertser> Qantourisc: and QtMoko
Dec 10 05:45:44 <PaulFertser> Qantourisc: and gta04
Dec 10 05:46:06 <PaulFertser> Qantourisc: FSO is now officially part of the SHR
Dec 10 05:46:23 <PaulFertser> Qantourisc: some work is ongoing on alternative UI to it, called Aurora.
Dec 10 08:59:19 <Qantourisc> leviathan_: is it you ?
Dec 10 08:59:34 <Qantourisc> wait .Ch ... no :)
Dec 10 09:00:00 <Qantourisc> >I'm wondering what the best phone to buy is atm, and the phone most likely supported in the futurure ...
Dec 10 09:12:33 <leviathan_> Qantourisc: uhh?
Dec 10 09:13:06 <leviathan_> Qantourisc: Well. We are working on the GTA04 right now
Dec 10 09:13:28 <leviathan_> case will be printable by a RepRap
Dec 10 09:13:29 <Qantourisc> for hardware or software ?
Dec 10 09:13:37 <Qantourisc> ok hardware
Dec 10 09:13:43 <leviathan_> yes :-)
Dec 10 09:13:47 <Qantourisc> my main concernt is software and where i can run on it
Dec 10 09:13:52 <Qantourisc> *it on
Dec 10 09:13:53 <leviathan_> ahh
Dec 10 09:13:56 <leviathan_> well
Dec 10 09:14:05 <leviathan_> have a look at plasma-active
Dec 10 09:14:14 <leviathan_> there is a qt4-binding for fso2
Dec 10 09:14:53 <leviathan_> so it would be obvious to do some plasma apps for FSO2
Dec 10 09:15:03 <leviathan_> which allow you to use mobile-kde4 with fso
Dec 10 09:15:05 <leviathan_> :-)
Dec 10 09:15:13 <leviathan_> imagine the possibilities
Dec 10 09:15:23 <leviathan_> akonadi on smartphones, laptops and desktops
Dec 10 09:15:41 <leviathan_> you enter a meeting/contact
Dec 10 09:15:44 <leviathan_> and it's everywhere
Dec 10 09:15:57 <leviathan_> screw apple, KDE4 is coming! ;-D
Dec 10 09:16:31 <Qantourisc> there is somutch comming and so litle at the same time
Dec 10 09:16:40 <Qantourisc> I think my most important question is: 
Dec 10 09:16:57 <Qantourisc> what hardware will most likelky be supported by most in the future
Dec 10 09:17:19 <leviathan_> uhm
Dec 10 09:17:27 <leviathan_> it's sad to say
Dec 10 09:17:40 <leviathan_> if you look onto it realistically
Dec 10 09:18:05 <leviathan_> there is only one really free smartphone project right now
Dec 10 09:18:13 <leviathan_> and we have soo few financial resources
Dec 10 09:18:19 <Qantourisc> true
Dec 10 09:18:58 <leviathan_> it would be nice if FSF would sponsor us, but don't seem to be interested into this option
Dec 10 09:19:10 <leviathan_> respectively they don't have that much money on their own, maybe
Dec 10 09:19:28 <Qantourisc> leviathan_: how can i sponser ? (in a way?)
Dec 10 09:19:40 <leviathan_> well
Dec 10 09:20:06 <leviathan_> we need financial resources in order to make PCBs and buy parts
Dec 10 09:20:10 <Qantourisc> personally I think the best way to brake trough, is to make sure those FOSS-phone-os run on a lot of phones
Dec 10 09:20:26 <leviathan_> well
Dec 10 09:20:35 <leviathan_> look onto Android
Dec 10 09:20:53 <leviathan_> and after being forced to work for big companies I learned one thing
Dec 10 09:21:06 <Qantourisc> hmm ?
Dec 10 09:21:08 <Qantourisc> go on
Dec 10 09:21:15 <leviathan_> our problem is egoism and paranoia
Dec 10 09:21:24 <leviathan_> paired it equals ignorance
Dec 10 09:21:41 <leviathan_> they steal of each other and neglect efficient workflows at the same time
Dec 10 09:21:52 <Qantourisc> I didn't say work with them
Dec 10 09:22:03 <Qantourisc> I said make sure our software runs on there stuff (where possible)
Dec 10 09:22:13 <leviathan_> most managers only are good on one thing, talking a lot of shit while don't knowing a shit a the same time
Dec 10 09:22:19 <leviathan_> hmm
Dec 10 09:22:20 <leviathan_> well
Dec 10 09:22:21 <Qantourisc> yea true
Dec 10 09:22:22 <leviathan_> the problem
Dec 10 09:22:27 <leviathan_> they use linux
Dec 10 09:22:29 <leviathan_> BUT
Dec 10 09:22:31 <leviathan_> look how
Dec 10 09:22:35 <leviathan_> as kernel
Dec 10 09:22:46 <leviathan_> but they close it down
Dec 10 09:22:47 <Qantourisc> also right now, the best solution for me looks like, get a phone that can run linux, and put a "phone" app on that linux
Dec 10 09:23:00 <leviathan_> so that you can't see the drivers in order to understand the hardware
Dec 10 09:23:09 <Qantourisc> leviathan_: ofcours closed down phones are useless, but iirc n900 and n9 are quite open ?
Dec 10 09:23:19 <leviathan_> and something else then the specific linux distro called Android isn't supposed to run on it
Dec 10 09:23:20 <Qantourisc> o
Dec 10 09:23:20 <leviathan_> hmm?
Dec 10 09:23:23 <Qantourisc> ok then they are not
Dec 10 09:23:32 <leviathan_> hmm?
Dec 10 09:23:34 <leviathan_> n900
Dec 10 09:23:35 <leviathan_> yes
Dec 10 09:23:41 <leviathan_> and it runs meego
Dec 10 09:23:57 <Qantourisc> maemo to be exact :)
Dec 10 09:24:03 <leviathan_> which maybe a opportunity to port debian+plasma-active+fso onto it
Dec 10 09:24:04 <leviathan_> hmm
Dec 10 09:24:26 <Qantourisc> greet makes this hard :/
Dec 10 09:24:31 <Qantourisc> i hate greed
Dec 10 09:24:32 <leviathan_> yes -.-
Dec 10 09:24:36 <leviathan_> same here
Dec 10 09:24:59 <Qantourisc> Still don't understand why peaple put up with it, buying a phone that costs more then a cheap pc, and be able to do LESS with it
Dec 10 09:25:13 <leviathan_> yes
Dec 10 09:25:26 <leviathan_> well
Dec 10 09:25:31 <Qantourisc> don't suppose I can toss on harmattan on a freerunner ?
Dec 10 09:26:21 <leviathan_> uhh?
Dec 10 09:26:30 <leviathan_> harmattan?
Dec 10 09:26:30 <Qantourisc> :)
Dec 10 09:26:33 <leviathan_> an ubuntu?
Dec 10 09:26:42 <Qantourisc> the maemo/meego version that run on N9
Dec 10 09:26:47 <leviathan_> hmm
Dec 10 09:26:50 <leviathan_> well
Dec 10 09:26:55 <leviathan_> you could install a debian
Dec 10 09:27:00 <Qantourisc> the answer is no: noone did what was needed yet
Dec 10 09:27:18 <Qantourisc> Ow what i fear about debian, is a 128mb enough to run on it ?
Dec 10 09:27:20 <leviathan_> debian+kde4+fso2 is the future
Dec 10 09:27:26 <leviathan_> hmm
Dec 10 09:27:30 <leviathan_> well
Dec 10 09:27:38 <leviathan_> if you strip it down
Dec 10 09:27:39 <leviathan_> maybe
Dec 10 09:27:41 <leviathan_> :-)
Dec 10 09:27:51 <Qantourisc> so i need a gta04 ?
Dec 10 09:27:58 <leviathan_> or a n9
Dec 10 09:28:05 <leviathan_> or some tablet-pc
Dec 10 09:28:17 <leviathan_> then we can start to code fso2-plasmaapps
Dec 10 09:28:26 <leviathan_> fso in the background will do the rest
Dec 10 09:28:28 <leviathan_> :-)
Dec 10 09:28:38 <Qantourisc> nice plan
Dec 10 09:28:50 <Qantourisc> still ... i'm nowhere now :)
Dec 10 09:29:30 <Qantourisc> think i need a qemu environ to test all i need
Dec 10 09:31:25 <leviathan_> hmm
Dec 10 09:31:26 <leviathan_> yes
Dec 10 09:31:47 <leviathan_> http://blog.the-leviathan.ch/?p=255
Dec 10 09:31:58 <leviathan_> it's easier :-)
Dec 10 09:32:03 <Qantourisc> then again, I can just run it on 128mb virutual machine (a debian) and see if it works ?
Dec 10 09:36:31 <Qantourisc> leviathan_: nice link, still confusing :/
Dec 10 09:36:54 <leviathan_> uhh?
Dec 10 09:37:00 <leviathan_> it's chrooting
Dec 10 09:37:09 <leviathan_> only that you chroot into an ARM environment
Dec 10 09:37:18 <leviathan_> from within you x86 env ;-)
Dec 10 09:37:26 <leviathan_> much easier to work
Dec 10 09:37:37 <leviathan_> you don't need another virtual computer
Dec 10 09:37:47 <leviathan_> AND you can copy files around much easier
Dec 10 09:38:41 <leviathan_> hmm, last thing I want is to be confusing within chat as well. that would imply that I lost ability to successfully communicate with people on all possible channels >_>
Dec 10 09:41:53 <Qantourisc> leviathan_: I think i get it
Dec 10 09:42:02 <Qantourisc> leviathan_: a like that
Dec 10 09:43:55 <Qantourisc> leviathan_: maybe a better question: what do you run ?
Dec 10 09:44:09 <leviathan_> hmm?
Dec 10 09:44:11 <leviathan_> debian
Dec 10 09:44:31 <leviathan_> debian sid
Dec 10 09:44:52 <leviathan_> you might try to package plasma-active for a start
Dec 10 09:45:00 <leviathan_> and deploy it onto a n9
Dec 10 09:45:01 <leviathan_> :-)
Dec 10 09:45:19 <Qantourisc> leviathan_: i mean on your phone ... witch one are you using anyway ?
Dec 10 09:45:44 <leviathan_> atm?
Dec 10 09:45:48 <Qantourisc> yes
Dec 10 09:45:49 <leviathan_> none >_>
Dec 10 09:45:52 <Qantourisc> ow 
Dec 10 09:45:52 <Qantourisc> :)
Dec 10 09:46:46 <Qantourisc> Ok have to leave now, more talk later if you want ... I'm still intrested in finding a solution ...
Dec 10 09:46:50 <Qantourisc> witch is hard to come by :/
Dec 10 09:46:55 <leviathan_> yes
Dec 10 09:47:02 <leviathan_> too few interested people
Dec 10 09:47:13 <leviathan_> sadly :-/
Dec 10 09:49:08 <Qantourisc> imo intel aproached it the wrong way
Dec 10 09:49:18 <Qantourisc> they should have crammed money on making linux run on phones
Dec 10 09:49:24 <Qantourisc> then code the UI meego
Dec 10 09:49:26 <Qantourisc> in that order :)
Dec 10 09:49:41 <Qantourisc> but i must leave now
Dec 10 20:31:13 <yasir> HI
Dec 10 20:33:14 <yasir> HI
Dec 10 20:33:45 <yasir> HI
Dec 10 20:34:02 <PaulFertser> yasir: ?
Dec 10 20:34:24 <yasir> HI
Dec 10 20:36:19 <yasir> REPLY ME PLZ
Dec 10 20:36:37 <PaulFertser> yasir: you're going to be kicked out of here soon if you do not behave.
Dec 10 20:37:09 <yasir> PLZ CLEAR ENGLISH
Dec 10 20:40:17 <PaulFertser> btw, he asked me about "sex chat" in privmsg.
Dec 11 02:31:48 <DocScrutinizer> duh I missed an opportunity to kickban
Dec 11 02:32:27 <DocScrutinizer> thanks PaulFertser 
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