**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 06 02:59:58 2012 Sep 06 04:43:31 hi any gta02 users? with neopwn OS installed? Sep 06 08:25:22 Hello! Sep 06 08:25:38 I was hoping someone here could help me out with my freerunner Sep 06 08:27:16 For some reason I seem unable to get it into NAND boot mode... I can only boot it to NOR. I have a completely depleted battery, which won't charge so that might be the problem? Sep 06 08:30:23 just to be completely sure: If I want to boot into NAND I should just press the power button, right? Sep 06 08:31:37 I believe the phone is a gta02v6 Sep 06 09:02:07 fursund_: hi Sep 06 09:02:16 fursund_: yup, just power for NAND boot Sep 06 09:02:47 fursund_: IIRC if you are in the NOR bootmenu the battery slowly charges - i am not 100% sure Sep 06 09:04:39 radekp: Thanks! I have no problem flashing something like SHR. But the phone doesn't charge even when completely booted Sep 06 09:05:13 fursund_: with original openmoko battery? Sep 06 09:05:38 radekp: yes Sep 06 09:06:03 radekp: I haven't used it in a looooong time :) Sep 06 09:06:16 radekp: so maybe it died or something :) Sep 06 09:06:32 fursund_: you can check what sysfs tells - there are some useful numbers in /sys/class/power/battery Sep 06 09:06:56 radekp: cool thanks Sep 06 09:06:58 fursund_: btw SSH is working? Sep 06 09:07:13 radekp: haven't checked Sep 06 09:07:25 it can be bad cable Sep 06 09:07:27 radekp: don't have a working system flashed right now Sep 06 09:07:35 radekp: but tty is working Sep 06 09:07:56 radekp: and I tried charging from the wall charger Sep 06 09:08:14 radekp: and from regular usb to computer cable Sep 06 09:08:38 hmm best is to flash some working rootfs and check then the sysfs Sep 06 09:09:06 radekp: so if I wanted to boot to NAND boot menu (u-boot), could I do it from NOR boot? Sep 06 09:10:36 fursund_: hmm IIRC NAND bootmenu was when holding POWER Sep 06 09:10:54 fursund_: anyway i use qi as bootloader and i think other distros too Sep 06 09:11:09 fursund_: and qi has no menu, it just boots the distro Sep 06 09:12:27 radekp: yeah... my problem is that I want to install the android distro, but it seems it doesn't work when the phone doesn't want to reboot by itself Sep 06 09:14:53 i havent tried android for long time, so cant help here much Sep 06 09:17:05 radekp: I think the problem is somehow related to the battery, since when I install qi, and then press power (for up to 30 sec's) either nothing happens or I just get a very brief white screen blink Sep 06 09:20:31 fursund_: how about installing some "normal" distro first Sep 06 09:21:55 fursund_: https://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/GTA02/ Sep 06 09:22:49 fursund_: this 100% working and it's matter of 10 minutes to flash it... then you can try android when you know that the HW works Sep 06 09:22:56 radekp: right, did install shr yesterday, and it was no problem, though I could only boot it from NOR Sep 06 09:23:15 radekp: ok will try again Sep 06 09:24:20 fursund_: btw if you are using qi from android it will not work for other distros Sep 06 09:24:36 fursund_: they made some incompatible changes there... Sep 06 09:24:42 radekp: ok thanks Sep 06 09:25:10 fursund_: qi-v47.udfu from the link is working good Sep 06 09:25:37 radekp: yup, thanks Sep 06 09:27:45 fursund_: np Sep 06 10:28:49 radekp: 10 minutes.... more like an hour :) Sep 06 10:47:46 fursund_: :) Sep 06 11:02:38 radekp: looks like it's exactly the same issue... when I can't boot to NAND boot loader then I can't load kernel bigger than 2 MB Sep 06 11:03:47 fursund_: and qi does not work? Sep 06 11:04:14 well I wouldn't know since I can't get to it Sep 06 11:05:26 fursund_: hmm now i have no idea what you did ;-) Sep 06 11:05:53 just bring up uboot from NOR and do: Sep 06 11:05:54 dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D qi-v47.udfu Sep 06 11:05:58 dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage.bin-2.6.34-qtmoko-v47 Sep 06 11:06:03 dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D qtmoko-debian-gta02-v47.ubi Sep 06 11:06:12 if I am not mistaken I can't get to the NAND bootloader from the NOR bootloader, right? Sep 06 11:06:12 reboot and it should work Sep 06 11:06:45 that's the thing I can't make it reboot or boot from "normal" power button press Sep 06 11:07:22 yes I did all those flashing commands Sep 06 11:07:27 fursund_: so you have all ^^^^ flashed? Sep 06 11:07:57 fursund_: oki, just for sure - remove SD card if you have any... Sep 06 11:08:28 fursund_: then just install battery short press POWER and it should come up Sep 06 11:09:09 fursund_: qi will vibrate and blink led when it's started, then you have to wait some and it should boot Sep 06 11:10:21 radekp: no worky.... qi doesn't come up Sep 06 11:11:14 radekp: maybe my NAND is corrupt somehow? Sep 06 11:11:14 fursund_: no vibra and no blink with AUX led? Sep 06 11:11:23 radekp: nope Sep 06 11:11:43 hmm interesting - i have never seen corrupted NAND... Sep 06 11:12:42 radekp: but if I install a system with less than 2MB kernel I can boot from NOR Sep 06 11:12:55 fursund_: maybe you can flash qi from that system Sep 06 11:12:56 with no problems Sep 06 11:13:06 fursund_: using nandwrite Sep 06 11:13:41 radekp: how would that make a difference? Sep 06 11:14:26 fursund_: you could see the output from nandwrite Sep 06 11:14:37 fursund_: and you can check that NAND is working Sep 06 11:15:18 radekp: is there a debian on freerunner system with less than 2MB kernel? Sep 06 11:15:52 fursund_: https://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/OldFiles/OldStable-GTA02-v26/ Sep 06 11:16:31 fursund_: i havent tried flashing qi from command line, but it should be something like this: Sep 06 11:16:33 flash_eraseall /dev/mtd1 Sep 06 11:16:47 nandwrite -p /dev/mtd1 qi-v47.udfu Sep 06 11:18:03 cool thanks! Sep 06 11:23:13 radekp: sorry to be such a noob... but what would I do to flash that to the phone's NAND? Sep 06 11:28:10 radekp: also it seems like the uImage in boot is 3 MB? Sep 06 11:29:16 uImage-v26.bin is 1.9MB Sep 06 11:30:19 hmm ok... where would I download that from? Sep 06 11:30:34 https://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/OldFiles/OldStable-GTA02-v26/ Sep 06 11:30:56 * radekp seems be looping Sep 06 11:33:19 oddness I can see that the link you are pointing to has this written: "Totals: 3 Items" but there are no links Sep 06 11:33:33 could you give me more direct links to the files? Sep 06 11:34:22 hmm maybe there is some bug in sourceforge Sep 06 11:34:31 could be Sep 06 11:35:07 i can try to move the files somewhere Sep 06 11:35:26 thanks! Sep 06 11:37:10 fursund_: http://qtmoko.sourceforge.net/download/v26/ Sep 06 11:37:15 i hope this one will work Sep 06 11:38:14 radekp: yep! seems to be downloading just fine! thanks! Sep 06 11:39:34 fursund_: nice :) Sep 06 11:43:26 hmm now https://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/OldFiles/OldStable-GTA02-v26/ works too Sep 06 11:43:47 probably there were too many files and sourceforge refused to mirror them Sep 06 11:46:17 radekp: hmm odd Sep 06 11:46:35 radekp: now the waiting game starts again... Sep 06 11:46:39 radekp: :) Sep 06 11:46:44 fursund_: :) Sep 06 11:54:15 anyone neopwn? Sep 06 13:32:35 radekp: yay it boots :) Sep 06 13:32:41 fursund_: :) Sep 06 13:33:22 fursund_: maybe you could try flash qi now... Sep 06 13:34:08 radekp: I think I´ll start with some battery analysis :) Sep 06 13:34:49 ahh oki, sure Sep 06 13:58:11 radekp: how long should I expect to wait before I have a usable env? I went through some small setup phase, but since then it has been all black screen and some blinking cursor once in a while Sep 06 13:58:47 fursund_: it should be up in like 50s Sep 06 13:59:10 hmmm damn Sep 06 13:59:38 you saw no gui at all? Sep 06 13:59:42 radekp: maybe the fact that I didn't have SD card on first run? Sep 06 13:59:52 yes a small setup gui Sep 06 14:00:02 and then black screen Sep 06 14:00:20 ahh oki, it's quite likely that your battery is too discharged to power on modem Sep 06 14:00:39 in this case it wont proceed and end up in black screen Sep 06 14:01:06 hmmm ok... anything I can do? Sep 06 14:01:12 charge it :) Sep 06 14:01:17 do you have it on usb cable? Sep 06 14:01:20 well I can Sep 06 14:01:23 well I can't Sep 06 14:01:29 yes Sep 06 14:01:35 wall charger Sep 06 14:02:02 oki, so try restart (you can press POWER button for 8s to force power it off) Sep 06 14:02:13 maybe the battery is now better charged Sep 06 14:02:36 you can also try to SSH to the phone to check Sep 06 14:02:50 so can I somehow access the device and turn off the modem check? Sep 06 14:03:14 can I do that via USB? Sep 06 14:04:24 when I press power I just get the small click sound from the speaker, and that's it Sep 06 14:35:42 fursund_: i have to go home, sorry :( Sep 06 14:36:08 radekp: sure thing! But thanks for all the help! Sep 06 14:36:24 fursund_: maybe you can find the way around in the wiki e.g. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Sep 06 14:36:32 fursund_: see you Sep 06 14:36:43 radekp: thanks! I'll figure it out Sep 06 14:38:19 battery in locker for a year, discharged -> dead. Please dispose properly (means disassemble and swap the cell for one form Nokia battery). See: Sep 06 14:38:24 ~battery-faq Sep 06 14:38:30 ~batteryfaq Sep 06 14:38:30 methinks batteryfaq is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers Sep 06 14:40:41 you may try to boot with Nokia battery, it's compatible for booting (though not exactly for charging, see ^^^) Sep 06 14:43:31 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers#Wrong_storage Sep 06 14:44:04 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers#Do_other_BL-5.2F6C_compatible_batteries_fit.3F Sep 06 14:53:33 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers#I_have_several_compatible_batteries._What_are_the_storage_requirements_for_them.3F Sep 06 14:54:28 fursund_: ^^^ Sep 06 14:55:00 DocScrutinizer05: thanks and sucks :) Sep 06 14:55:09 yw Sep 06 14:55:44 BL-5C are like 6 bucks, on second hand and im/ex stores Sep 06 14:56:07 thanks Sep 06 14:57:01 if your GTA02-bat actually has dead cell, you want to recycle the coulomb-counter circuit: disassemble carefully and swap cell with one from a Nokia BL-5/6C Sep 06 14:58:55 if you feel uncomforatble with soldering and general hw-meddling, visit a battery recycling store, hand them the gta02-battery and tell them it's basically compatible with Nokia BL-5C and you like a new cell in that battery Sep 06 14:59:43 explain to them this battery has special circuitry on 3rd pin, so they mustn't swap the circuit with that of Nokia battery Sep 06 15:01:04 never solder directly on body of LiIon cells, always use the attached wires to do the cutting and soldering on them Sep 06 15:02:13 ooh, and there's that 'awesome script" ;-D Sep 06 15:03:05 check status of your gta02-battery with http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail if you actually got some shell up and running on gta02 Sep 06 15:03:50 (that's the smart coulomb counter you'll miss on Nokia replacements) Sep 06 15:05:19 a more recent version can be found at http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 Sep 06 15:06:05 ~listkeys bq27 Sep 06 15:06:07 Factoid search of 'bq27' by key returned no results. Sep 06 15:06:16 ~listvalues bq27 Sep 06 15:06:19 Factoid search of 'bq27' by value returned no results. Sep 06 15:06:41 ~bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 Sep 06 15:06:42 DocScrutinizer05: okay Sep 06 15:07:27 ~bq27200 is see bq27k-detail Sep 06 15:07:27 DocScrutinizer05: okay **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 07 02:59:59 2012