**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 18 02:59:58 2013 Mar 18 03:30:59 XDS2010: the drivers for the processor and umts module on gta04 were always free software. Mar 18 04:59:07 PaulFertser: free but are they open source ? Mar 18 07:57:09 I think he meant, free as in freedom, not free beer Mar 18 08:18:12 ~logs Mar 18 08:18:13 All conversations are logged to http://apt.rikers.org/%23openmoko/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily --- livelogs are on http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko.txt Mar 18 10:19:15 XDS2010: free software is inherently open source. Mar 18 13:27:23 * XDS2010 slams head against wall Mar 18 13:28:21 PaulFertser freeware and published source code are two different things. I need to make certain the source code for the radio/cpu/kernel are fully open Mar 18 13:28:34 XDS2010: did i say freeware? Mar 18 13:28:41 PaulFertser: maybe i should put it a different way Mar 18 13:29:13 Is there any part of any firmwares that are linked to the GTA04* that are closed source ? Mar 18 13:29:24 :) Mar 18 13:30:37 Now lets see you slide out of that one :) Mar 18 13:31:54 XDS2010: the baseband processor runs proprietary shit of course. So does the wlan module, the bluetooth module and the gps module. But they're not running on the main SoC so I do not know if you consider that "linked to the GTA04" or not. Mar 18 13:32:36 ok then thats what i wanted to know. Mar 18 13:32:52 :) Mar 18 13:33:00 So its not 100% open source Mar 18 13:34:42 XDS2010: what is? Mar 18 13:34:57 PaulFertser: i know of many projects that are Mar 18 13:35:17 XDS2010: is the computer display you're using right now opensource? Is HDD firmware you're running from open source? Mar 18 13:35:28 nope Mar 18 13:35:37 XDS2010: does your laptop not use some proprietary firmware in its "embedded controller"? Mar 18 13:35:55 i have no idea what an embedded controller is Mar 18 13:36:37 XDS2010: is the SMM handlers code on your PC open source? Mar 18 13:37:05 I've never checked Mar 18 13:37:45 XDS2010: so why you're bothered about the baseband firmware then? And if you're really interested in it, why do not you get gta02 and hack on osmocombb? Mar 18 13:37:50 Paul let me get back to you on the SMM handler :) Mar 18 13:38:39 PaulFertser: have you ever played quake ? Mar 18 13:38:54 With gta04 you do not have shared RAM with baseband so that's at least some decent kind of separation. Mar 18 13:38:56 Ever seen a floating terminal window ? Mar 18 13:39:18 XDS2010: i've seen people playing quake, yes. Floating terminal windows too. Mar 18 13:39:29 ok then. Mar 18 13:40:02 OSM is a good project. I don't have much confidence in some of the authors however. Mar 18 13:40:21 Far to much age diversification. Mar 18 13:40:44 Are you talking about openstreetmap.org now? Mar 18 13:40:44 Sorry if that sounds a tad critical. Mar 18 13:40:58 OSM is a great project oo Mar 18 13:41:00 too* Mar 18 13:41:21 No i was referring to OSMOCOMBB Mar 18 13:42:57 Paul, im going to take a shot in the dark here and guess the gsm in-cludes have not been completely reverse engineered enough to create a working binary Mar 18 13:43:17 Although i really do appreciate their work on UMA Mar 18 13:51:28 XDS2010: no, as far as i can tell osmocommbb runs on bare metal, no closed source parts. But the DSP part of the calypso firmware is in ROM. Mar 18 13:52:02 XDS2010: have you seen Sylvain's talk about using calypso as a BS? Mar 18 13:53:54 I saw a video of some of the work but i didn't really dive into it. Mar 18 13:55:19 I have to really hand it to the kid he put an amazing amount of work into the reverse engineering Mar 18 13:56:12 XDS2010: back to the gta04 topic, i think not running proprietary code on main CPU is already good enough. I think the only thing you might miss is OpenGLES hw acceleration. Mar 18 13:56:33 right i was just about to say Mar 18 13:56:33 Yes, that RE work was awesome, really impressive. Mar 18 13:57:45 Paul im going to give marvel a call and see if they have anything in the works Mar 18 13:58:02 If anyone is going to shake things up its going to be them Mar 18 14:00:23 XDS2010: Marvel? How are they related? I know the wifi module in gta04 is marvel-based, but that's about it. BTW, if you're into "open source", you might want to take a look at ath9k_htc usb wifi cards, the firmware is fully free software now. Mar 18 14:03:54 graphics Mar 18 14:05:26 The nexus one's 3d graphics driver (s1) is now open Mar 18 14:05:44 Parts of the snapdragon 1 have been opened as well Mar 18 14:09:38 I think it's PowerVR GPU that's integrated in OMAPs. Mar 18 14:11:03 Nexus's adreno was not open by the QCA but it's being RE'd in freedreno project afaict. Mar 18 14:11:35 Lima is the project for reversing Mali cores. Mar 18 19:56:21 Hi guys, did you know why when I issue GDB load that memory region only contains zeroes? I am using the debug board with openocd. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 19 02:59:58 2013