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Jun 01 07:53:53 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer05: so kuldeep's project certainly qualifies. I have admin rights on the wiki. I can both edit the page and also send the information to usb.ids list.
Jun 01 07:54:12 <DocScrutinizer05> OK
Jun 01 07:54:27 <DocScrutinizer05> I think the PID to use is pretty obvious
Jun 01 07:54:54 <DocScrutinizer05> usb.ids is not up to date anyway
Jun 01 07:55:20 <DocScrutinizer05> the OM (0147?) records are pathetic
Jun 01 07:55:21 <PaulFertser> ACK on both points.
Jun 01 07:55:26 <PaulFertser> FIC :)
Jun 01 07:55:32 <DocScrutinizer05> 015d
Jun 01 07:55:39 <DocScrutinizer05> ?
Jun 01 07:56:01 <DocScrutinizer05> wait, maybe I searched for wrong code?
Jun 01 07:56:14 <PaulFertser> 0x1457 is FIC, 0x1d50 is OM
Jun 01 07:56:17 <PaulFertser> Apparently
Jun 01 07:56:25 <kuldeep> one minute
Jun 01 07:56:35 <kuldeep> hey PaulFertser and DocScrutinizer05 
Jun 01 07:56:53 <kuldeep> PaulFertser, shall i forward you the email that i send for vid/pid request?
Jun 01 07:56:56 <DocScrutinizer05> 1d50  OpenMoko, Inc.
Jun 01 07:56:57 <DocScrutinizer05> 	5119  GTA01/GTA02 U-Boot Bootloader
Jun 01 07:56:59 <DocScrutinizer05> 	602b  FPGALink
Jun 01 07:57:00 <DocScrutinizer05> 	6053  Darkgame Controller
Jun 01 07:57:15 <PaulFertser> kuldeep: yes, please, fercerpav@gmail.com
Jun 01 07:58:22 <DocScrutinizer05> nope, usb.ids is terribly out of date
Jun 01 07:58:30 <PaulFertser> Kinda strange those two last entries are the only that present. Neither older nor newer.
Jun 01 07:58:38 <kuldeep> PaulFertser, sent.
Jun 01 07:58:44 <kuldeep> (sending.... :)
Jun 01 07:59:09 <kuldeep> Note: PID = 0x8085   VID = 0x1d50   is required
Jun 01 07:59:16 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer05: what email address do you prefer so I ca forward kuldeep's message to you?
Jun 01 07:59:32 <DocScrutinizer05> om
Jun 01 07:59:50 <DocScrutinizer05> joerg@openmoko.org
Jun 01 07:59:53 <PaulFertser> kuldeep: so it's already deployed in the wild?
Jun 01 08:00:19 <PaulFertser> I think it's ok to assign that PID in this case.
Jun 01 08:00:23 <DocScrutinizer05> we would prefer a PID that fits into the scheme
Jun 01 08:00:36 <PaulFertser> But if the hardware is already out there...
Jun 01 08:00:45 <PaulFertser> It's not his fault for Harald not replying for half a year.
Jun 01 08:00:47 <kuldeep> because when we started, we didn't knew if it would already be consumed so
Jun 01 08:01:14 <DocScrutinizer05> so no chance to change the PID?
Jun 01 08:01:20 <kuldeep> so, we used a large gap to make sure that no collision occur
Jun 01 08:02:07 <kuldeep> DocScrutinizer05, changing PID would be time consuming / headache and already have 2 devices in wild.
Jun 01 08:02:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ok
Jun 01 08:02:22 <PaulFertser> I think that's a fair reasoning.
Jun 01 08:02:24 <kuldeep> we have alot of software that need to be change.
Jun 01 08:02:26 <DocScrutinizer05> ack for 8085 then
Jun 01 08:02:36 <kuldeep> thanks!!!
Jun 01 08:02:37 <PaulFertser> ack
Jun 01 08:02:40 <kuldeep> ack
Jun 01 08:03:00 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer05: I'll edit the wiki now and try to generate a patch for USB ids, ok?
Jun 01 08:03:56 <DocScrutinizer05> ok
Jun 01 08:04:17 <DocScrutinizer05> the patch will be laaarge ;-)
Jun 01 08:04:20 <kuldeep> and btw, all our software/hardware are free/open source.   we use usb stack from libopencm3 project
Jun 01 08:04:27 <PaulFertser> kuldeep: the name will be "Mad Resistor Box0 (box0-v5)" since apparently there's nowhere to insert company name otherwise.
Jun 01 08:04:44 <PaulFertser> kuldeep: noticed, and that's really cool imo.
Jun 01 08:04:56 <kuldeep> PaulFertser, "Box0 (box0-v5)" will do the work
Jun 01 08:05:47 <kuldeep> we will use the manuf field of usb descriptor for reporting the device manuf. we can be the manuf  or not. (ie forks)
Jun 01 08:06:00 <PaulFertser> kuldeep: then it'll appear in lsusb as OpenMoko, Inc., Box0 (box0-v5)
Jun 01 08:06:36 <PaulFertser> kuldeep: (when lsusb uses the database and not the USB descriptor strings)
Jun 01 08:06:54 <kuldeep> "OpenMoko, Inc., " is pretty much irrelevant. because openmoko will not be directly in Box0
Jun 01 08:07:14 <kuldeep> also, it will only confuse others on being OpenMoko there
Jun 01 08:07:45 <PaulFertser> kuldeep: OpenMoko owns the VID, so it'll be in usb.ids like it or not.
Jun 01 08:10:03 <kuldeep> PaulFertser, relevancy: "Box0 (box0-v5)"    > "Mad Resistor Box0 (box0-v5)" >  "OpenMoko, Inc., Box0 (box0-v5)"
Jun 01 08:10:20 <kuldeep> i will prefer "Box0 (box0-v5)"
Jun 01 08:10:30 <kuldeep> [in lsusb listing]
Jun 01 08:10:39 <PaulFertser> kuldeep: got it.
Jun 01 08:11:47 <PaulFertser> kuldeep: but one can't omit "OpenMoko, Inc." from there.
Jun 01 08:12:40 <PaulFertser> kuldeep: so it's possible to have "OpenMoko, Inc. Mad Resistor Box0 (box0-v5)" or "OpenMoko, Inc. Box0 (box0-v5)" in lsusb. But not "Box0 (box0-v5)".
Jun 01 08:13:00 <kuldeep> PaulFertser, is it lsusb specific?  (if we can do something from our side, we shall try)
Jun 01 08:13:14 <PaulFertser> kuldeep: sure, it's just the way how lsusb outputs data from usb.ids.
Jun 01 08:13:25 <kuldeep> ah
Jun 01 08:13:39 <PaulFertser> kuldeep: sees idVendor -> fetches vendor from the database.
Jun 01 08:14:39 <PaulFertser> You can fill in proper iManufacturer and iProduct in USB descriptor and those will be visible in lsusb -v.
Jun 01 08:15:08 <PaulFertser> If you use HID, then Linux will also print them to dmesg iirc.
Jun 01 08:15:15 <kuldeep> having "OpenMoko, Inc. Mad Resistor"  would only confuse more.  i would prefer "OpenMoko, Inc. Box0 (box0-v5)"
Jun 01 08:15:30 <PaulFertser> kuldeep: ok
Jun 01 08:15:57 <DocScrutinizer05> PaulFertser: please edit the contact, to point to IRC
Jun 01 08:16:03 <DocScrutinizer05> wiki
Jun 01 08:16:21 <DocScrutinizer05> at least additional to the usb@om email
Jun 01 08:16:25 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer05: ok
Jun 01 08:16:40 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer05: probably mention our email addresses there?
Jun 01 08:16:44 <DocScrutinizer05> I dunno if this email goes anywhere
Jun 01 08:16:56 <DocScrutinizer05> well, why not
Jun 01 08:17:12 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess my om addr is publicly known already
Jun 01 08:17:26 <DocScrutinizer05> one more mentioning can't make things worse
Jun 01 08:18:19 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe I can ask pabs where the usb@om gets redirected to
Jun 01 08:19:02 <kuldeep> btw, linking Box0 VID/PID entry to "madresistor.org/box0" would be straightforward and helpful
Jun 01 08:21:41 <PaulFertser> kuldeep: btw, https doesn't work on mad resistors site.
Jun 01 08:29:35 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer05, kuldeep https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Product_IDs fine now? Entry added, contacts points modified.
Jun 01 08:30:35 <DocScrutinizer05> PaulFertser: maybe add an empty row to make more obvious that there's a gap to fill
Jun 01 08:31:09 <DocScrutinizer05> looks good
Jun 01 08:31:30 <DocScrutinizer05> [2016-06-01 Wed 10:20:36] <DocScrutinizer05> pabs3: could you please check the  usb-id@openmoko.org mail addr and see if it delivers to anywhere, and where. Maybe add joerg@openmoko.org and fercerpav@gmail.com
Jun 01 08:31:31 <DocScrutinizer05> [2016-06-01 Wed 10:21:46] <pabs3> please ask Harald http://laforge.gnumonks.org/blog/20151206-volunterr-wanted-usb_iids/
Jun 01 08:32:12 <kuldeep> PaulFertser, yes, we will request https cert from https everywhere project. we are in process
Jun 01 08:33:59 <kuldeep> PaulFertser, if you want to, i would love to have "Free/Open source tool for exploring science and electronics anytime anywhere" i would atleast love to have "Free/"
Jun 01 08:34:28 <PaulFertser> kuldeep: I would prefer that too but your website mentioned Open.
Jun 01 08:34:58 <DocScrutinizer05> PaulFertser: lol, there's an empty row now, alas it shrinks to oblivion. Add text like "insert next record here" please
Jun 01 08:36:06 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer05: done
Jun 01 08:36:08 <kuldeep> PaulFertser, hum, because of space reasons. i would try harder :)
Jun 01 08:36:23 <DocScrutinizer05> :-D
Jun 01 08:36:24 <PaulFertser> kuldeep: the wiki fixed now
Jun 01 08:36:47 <kuldeep> PaulFertser, cool!
Jun 01 08:44:31 <PaulFertser> There's also pid.codes project now.
Jun 01 08:45:59 <DocScrutinizer05> I suggested to join OM with them, but...
Jun 01 09:05:32 <PaulFertser> kuldeep: your persistance finally payed off and the process started to work finally, thanks for that :)
Jun 01 09:14:13 <kuldeep> PaulFertser, :)
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