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Nov 03 16:13:53 <clapont> hi everyone!
Nov 03 16:15:09 <PaulFertser> Hi. Any news?
Nov 03 16:21:15 <clapont> PaulFertser: nothing besides that I am healthy, which is what I wish to you too. and to everyone else :-)
Nov 03 16:21:45 <PaulFertser> clapont: thank you!
Nov 03 16:23:47 <clapont> I'm trying to tunnel my desire (not real need) of untampered/untracked voice calls through a new laptop, with low energy consumption which, with 4G, is quite a mobile voice solution :-)
Nov 03 16:25:00 <clapont> jitsi works very well and I tested it (in the past) on Windows/Linux/Mac
Nov 03 16:28:17 <clapont> now... how much secure my own laptop it.. I cannot be sure. the Computrace is disabled but who knows what else -similar to Computrace's LoJack- can be in firmware
Nov 03 16:28:23 <clapont> *is
Nov 03 16:29:59 <PaulFertser> clapont: you might want to consider one or more of me_cleaner + coreboot + Qubes OS 
Nov 03 16:32:54 <clapont> hmm, I did not know about me_cleaner, thank you! I disabled AMT already
Nov 03 16:34:07 <clapont> for OS I go with Debian because of the largest pool of software available at hand
Nov 03 16:35:38 <clapont> I compile some sources but that's rare - for example to add Skype to Pidgin (not to install the Skype's official software requiring root permissions)
Nov 03 16:38:14 <PaulFertser> clapont: please do read about Qubes OS. It's not like I suggest you to not use Debian.
Nov 03 16:39:57 <clapont> I didn't know that djb recommends Qube, this is a serious. this new laptop can handle well virtualization, I am reading the Requirements/hcl 
Nov 03 16:41:21 <clapont> understood. I was thinking to Debian + qemu/vm for Win7/etc where I can install any kind of software
Nov 03 16:47:34 <clapont> the Debian10 Buster seems bloated to me - I liked Debian7 Wheezy (no systemd, small, quick) but I do small steps (I changed the laptop and I still like the old); I know that Slackware is light but slow with updates-understandable; Gentoo does good compiling everything per hardware. Arch also worths considering
Nov 03 16:54:42 <PaulFertser> clapont: current Debian stable is pretty unbloated. systemd might be questionable but it's not bloat per se.
Nov 03 16:55:23 <clapont> my idea is to have a stable/optimized OS, on which to run any VM. I see QubesOS thinks the same but through Xen. 
Nov 03 16:55:26 <clapont> For now you have to choose between cleaning your BIOS and deploying Anti Evil Maid.
Nov 03 17:00:06 <clapont> PaulFertser: maybe are only impressions, I'm between laptops/OSes. Wheezy yes, I really liked that. maybe would be a idea to run an older OS with a new compiled kernel, not having any port open; still I would need the dhcpcd -or not, I can set the IP manually; the WiFi drivers/connection software have to be manually built, then... it does not matter how old my "vi" is
Nov 03 17:00:18 <clapont> *an idea
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