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May 19 09:06:44 <atari`> http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/displaylink-for-linux-turns-a-humble-wireless-router-into-a-beau/
May 19 10:44:03 <rabeeh> atari`: nice. i'm looking doing something too on mimo monitor
May 19 10:44:33 <rabeeh> any idea how mature the driver is? is it framebuffer driver?
May 19 11:04:57 <mjl-> rabeeh: do you know where the specs on usb are available?  and/or what i have to do to get them.
May 19 11:16:14 <rabeeh> mjl- the usb is part of the SoC. you can download the 88f6281 (Kirkwood SoC) from marvell.com
May 19 11:18:28 <mjl-> rabeeh: but the function specification's chapter on usb is half a page, and it just references another doc
May 19 11:18:49 <mjl-> For more details, refer to the controller specification document USB-HS High-Speed Controller Core Reference.
May 19 11:19:00 <rabeeh> mjl- let me check. but basically it's an EHCI controller.
May 19 11:19:49 <mjl-> "refer to ARC USB-HS OTG High-Speed USB On-The-Go Controller Core V 4.0.1 Reference" is what is says for a lots of registers
May 19 11:19:58 <mjl-> hopefully, being ehci is enough
May 19 11:20:14 <mjl-> i'm not yet well-versed enough in usb2
May 19 11:20:48 <hrw> but it gives 780mA on usb port instead of 500mA (which is usb standard)
May 19 11:21:38 <rabeeh> the mA limitation is a board thing.
May 19 11:22:09 <rabeeh> 500mA is the standard, but there is a habbit to abuse it; so it should go up to 780mA (as written on the back of the plug)
May 19 13:12:08 <SuperRoach> no more sheevas till june 12th :(
May 19 13:19:01 <hrw> good to know
May 19 13:19:23 <rabeeh> 19/May + 4 weeks?
May 19 13:20:18 <rabeeh> june 9th :)
May 19 13:27:52 <tonybo> what about the one that ordered on 17/Apr ?
May 19 13:29:44 <SuperRoach> I ordered it on 18th april
May 19 13:30:05 <SuperRoach> asked them about the order and got told the next shipment is coming in june 12th, is that what you mean
May 19 13:30:31 <tonybo> ...then that will be another 4 weeks...
May 19 13:31:01 <SuperRoach> tonybo - it's may 19th now ;)
May 19 13:50:28 <dattaway> thanks good to know
May 19 13:51:33 <SuperRoach> so, any guess on how many are already out?
May 19 13:53:27 <dattaway> I was hoping enough for every home, but I can dream
May 19 13:53:35 <SuperRoach> mmm
May 19 14:01:23 <brad_mssw> the U-Boot Quick Reference has information on how to load a kernel from an ext3 fs from USB ... how would you do that off of an SD card?
May 19 14:03:21 <brad_mssw> mmcinit; ext2load mmc 0:1 0x8000000 /uImage; bootm 0x8000000;    ??
May 19 14:03:29 <Bryanstein> http://blog.hep-cat.de/?p=3681
May 19 14:03:38 <Bryanstein> you need the proper uboot bin first though
May 19 14:04:41 <brad_mssw> so the uboot that comes on the sheevaplug is not recent enough?
May 19 14:06:16 <Bryanstein> http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?PHPSESSID=c79577026527c2ef898134c0600c43c5&amp;topic=183.0
May 19 14:06:23 <Bryanstein> no it doesn't support mmc booting
May 19 14:06:46 <Bryanstein> brad_mssw, go there...download that uboot.bin and it will work
May 19 14:08:30 <brad_mssw> it does support USB booting though, right?
May 19 14:08:35 <brad_mssw> (the old one)?
May 19 14:08:52 <Bryanstein> all day long
May 19 14:09:07 <Bryanstein> lol you want the link to usb booting?
May 19 14:09:36 <brad_mssw> I've got the info on usb booting, just wanted to make sure there wasn't an issue with the shipping uboot
May 19 14:09:44 <brad_mssw> I'd rather not replace uboot if I don't have to
May 19 14:10:00 <Bryanstein> brad_mssw, well you can always replace the replacement
May 19 14:10:11 <Bryanstein> it's a development device..you're suppose to replace the uboot
May 19 14:10:46 <brad_mssw> heh
May 19 14:11:13 <Bryanstein> brad_mssw, you'll never get mmc boot with that kernel and furthermore...I read something on the forum from marvel dev saying they'd never/didn't have any plans to support mmc boot
May 19 14:11:33 <Bryanstein> so when another uboot bin comes down the pipe from marvel it won't have it in there either
May 19 14:12:45 <brad_mssw> well, I just wanted to do a quick and dirty test of a kernel I built with 'low risk' as I don't have too much time to dedicate to this thing at the moment ... so USB is probably quicker for me to test with than playing with replacing uboot, etc
May 19 14:14:17 <Bryanstein> well it took me about 2 minutes to put the file in my tftp root on my server and set the ip in uboot and flash...just use the usb...some say it is faster, but your usb is now tied up unless you have a hub
May 19 14:15:27 <armin76> Bryanstein: marvell*, its not the same as the comic :P
May 19 14:16:10 <brad_mssw> well, if the kernel boots, I'd probably just burn it into the flash, and use it ... hence freeing up my usb port again
May 19 14:16:23 <brad_mssw> but yeah, tftp would  be easy enough too
May 19 14:16:35 <Bryanstein> lol @ armin76 ...I know...I just figured I'd save time by not typing that last l
May 19 14:16:55 <Bryanstein> brad_mssw, everything is faster than flash
May 19 14:17:46 <Bryanstein> mmc and usb kick that NAND's arse speed wise...you haven't noticed with usb?
May 19 14:18:00 <brad_mssw> yeah, kind of noticed that ... horribly slow flash
May 19 14:19:36 <brad_mssw> main reason for replacing the kernel is to speed up the SDHC speeds ... or so I've read, it should help
May 19 14:19:52 <Bryanstein> I read that too
May 19 14:20:04 <Bryanstein> did you benchmark it?
May 19 14:20:34 <Bryanstein> maybe using dd or something
May 19 14:20:57 <brad_mssw> nothing too intense ... 'hdparm' reports 3.55MB/s reads
May 19 14:22:04 <brad_mssw> was mainly going off this info: http://computingplugs.com/index.php/SheevaPlug_Performance#SDHC_storage_throughput
May 19 14:22:39 <Bryanstein> brad_mssw, LOL same link
May 19 14:24:44 <Bryanstein> brad_mssw, that's a nice page but I'm surprised he didn't run tiotest, which is specifically a filesystem benchmark test
May 19 14:25:50 <Bryanstein> well he has ALL the data there so...more than good enough...great contribution
May 19 14:37:03 <DDevine> the SDHC performance is dissapointed.
May 19 14:37:11 <DDevine> dissapointing*
May 19 15:26:27 <brad_mssw> interesting, new kernel seems to boot ... but can't mount root ... and the list of filesystems it tried doesn't include jffs2 ... so I guess the current kirkwood_defconfig from 2.6.30-rc6 doesn't have jffs2 by default??
May 19 15:27:51 <brad_mssw> err, yes it did, hmm
May 19 15:30:29 <brad_mssw> ack, new kernel creates 3 mtd partitions, old one only creates 2 ... bet my bootargs need to be changed to reflect that
May 19 15:41:18 <brad_mssw> ok, that didn't work
May 19 15:41:52 <brad_mssw> just changed the root in the bootargs to /dev/mtdblock2 instead of /dev/mtdblock1 ... same error
May 19 15:42:10 <brad_mssw> maybe I need to mess with mtdparts= .. but I have no clue
May 19 15:42:12 <brad_mssw> any ideas?
May 19 15:42:21 <mcginnist> brad_mssw: Are you using rootfstype=jffs2 in your bootargs?
May 19 15:42:40 <brad_mssw> nope, it wasn't in there in the original bootargs
May 19 15:42:45 <brad_mssw> I take it I should try that?
May 19 15:42:56 <mcginnist> It was necessary for me
May 19 15:43:39 <SuperRoach> anyone been able to try one of these with the new displayport drivers?
May 19 15:44:31 <rabeeh> SuperRoach: which displayport?
May 19 15:44:35 <rabeeh> displaylink?
May 19 15:46:23 <brad_mssw> mcginnist: I think it's working
May 19 15:46:53 <rabeeh> brad_mssw: if you are using LK 2.6.30-rcX then you must add the following to the command line -
May 19 15:47:08 <rabeeh> mtdparts=orion_nand:0x400000@0x100000(uImage),0x1fb00000@0x500000(rootfs)
May 19 15:47:34 <SuperRoach> display link - The one on engadget and slashdot recently that uses usb for the display
May 19 15:47:52 <brad_mssw> rabeeh: ah, instead of nand_mtd
May 19 15:48:14 <rabeeh> nand_mtd is for the Marvell official kernel 2.6.22.18; nant_orion is for the kernel.org
May 19 15:48:33 <rabeeh> btw - you can download a patched and built kernel from few websites
May 19 15:48:40 <brad_mssw> rabeeh: so that'll negate the need for changing the /dev/mtdblock probably
May 19 15:48:58 <brad_mssw> lemme try it ... it did boot with my changes and mcginnist's suggestion
May 19 15:49:02 <rabeeh> for example - http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=298.0
May 19 15:52:31 <brad_mssw> well, the mtdparts setting didn't do anything at all for me
May 19 15:52:44 <brad_mssw> i still needed to change the root and also specify the rootfstype=jffs2
May 19 15:53:08 <rabeeh> which kernel are you using?
May 19 15:53:20 <rabeeh> didn't 'cat /proc/mtd' show different partitions?
May 19 15:53:31 <brad_mssw> 2.6.30-rc6 + sd patches + a couple more patches
May 19 15:57:21 <brad_mssw> err, actually, just the rootfstype=jffs2 change is necessary if you have the orion_nand setting
May 19 15:57:32 <brad_mssw> for some reason that is required with this kernel
May 19 15:57:49 <brad_mssw> I fat-fingered the orion_nand the first time
May 19 16:01:12 <brad_mssw> sd speeds are a lot faster, 3.55MB/s -> 14.42MB/s
May 19 16:02:19 <rabeeh> brad_mssw: i have SD card from Sandisk called Extreme 3 - it can go to 20MB/sec on read
May 19 16:03:33 <brad_mssw> eh, this one is a transcend 8G sdhc class 6 ...
May 19 16:03:44 <brad_mssw> not terribly concerned about performance ... just happy it is where it is now ...
May 19 16:09:19 <brad_mssw> the best way to flash a new uimage still to :   flash_erase /dev/mtdblock1 ; flash_eraseall /dev/mtd1 ; cat uImage > /dev/mtdblock1    ??
May 19 16:10:17 <brad_mssw> err, guess '0' is appropriate, not '1'
May 19 16:13:03 <brad_mssw> appears to have worked, so I hope so ;)
May 19 19:32:33 <hrw> rabeeh: 2.6.29 from OE/Angstrom also use nand_mtd for mtdpart
May 19 19:32:33 <hrw> s
May 19 19:33:36 <hrw> brad_mssw: instead of 'cat' use 'nandwrite -p'
May 19 19:42:26 <Bryanstein> someone really need OP to kick that guy
May 19 19:43:13 <timtimred> zzbzzt OE angstrom?
May 19 19:43:25 <Bryanstein> actually...who is operates this channel ?
May 19 19:43:45 <Bryanstein> marvell? openplug is not marvell afaik
May 19 19:44:08 <lennert> rabeeh probably has ops
May 19 19:44:10 <timtimred> 08:44 <ChanServ> Notice: Information on #openplug:
May 19 19:44:11 <timtimred> 08:44 <ChanServ> Notice: Founder    : rabeeh
May 19 19:44:17 <Bryanstein> rabeeh, is the man
May 19 19:44:21 <Bryanstein> I see on the access list
May 19 19:44:34 <kusznir_> Hi all:  I've got a SheevaPlug hardware question:  The switching PSU in the sheevaplug...Is there any specs on how much power the PSU can put out?  I'm looking at possibly adding a battery charge regulator and using the PSU to charge a 12V SLA battery for UPSsing...
May 19 19:45:25 <timtimred> oh i was gonna test out ubifs on the plug
May 19 19:45:29 <kusznir_> and possibly a wireless router...
May 19 19:47:30 * hrw|gone uses ubifs but more can be tomorrow - need to sleep
May 19 19:48:06 <timtimred> cya..
May 19 20:11:59 <timtimred> god damn nick change spam!
May 19 20:12:33 <timtimred> W8TVI fix your shit
May 19 20:30:29 <lennert> rabeeh: hey
May 19 20:38:17 <timtimred> lennert whats new...
May 19 20:38:36 <lennert> not much :)
May 19 20:38:37 <lennert> how are you?
May 19 20:38:54 <timtimred> yeah likewise... :)
May 19 20:39:10 <lennert> hacking things without wires
May 19 20:39:37 <timtimred> samba doesnt seem to like gfs much with lock_dlm here
May 19 20:40:06 <timtimred> unless i want my files to dribble down really slowly.
May 19 20:40:56 <lennert> slow is the new fast
May 19 20:41:26 <timtimred> cool! wanna borrow my audio-coupler modem?
May 19 20:42:03 <lennert> maybe :)
May 19 20:42:45 <timtimred> just think... you could clone the kernel in .... years...
May 19 20:42:56 <lennert> awesome
May 19 20:43:52 <timtimred> do some more zoneminder this weekend then cut some more foonas stuff over to OE...
May 19 20:44:00 <timtimred> i think
May 19 20:54:29 <ShadowJK> kusznir_, how many volts does the sheevaplug PSU put out anyway?
May 19 21:31:23 <timtimred> i think obama is making all the cars i like illegal lennert :(
May 19 21:31:40 <timtimred> 35 mpg minimum? hah.
May 19 21:32:10 <timtimred> buy your zr1s now
May 19 21:34:07 <mcginnist> don't worry timtimred, Chevy will get a pass since they will be half owned by the government anyway
May 19 21:34:40 <timtimred> if i got i zr1 it would lower my fuel consumption :) they should give me one!
May 19 21:35:48 <timtimred> save the planet! :)
May 19 21:36:09 * mcginnist lowered his fuel consumption by working closer to home.
May 19 21:37:29 <mcginnist> wish I could work -from- home though
May 19 21:48:58 <kusznir_> ShadowJK: I believe its 12V...I was going to double-check that.
May 19 21:49:11 <kusznir_> Is there a hardware speck of the SheevaPlug?
May 19 21:51:56 <ShadowJK> don't you need a minimum of 13.5V to float charge a SLA?
May 19 21:57:48 <mcginnist> kusznir,ShadowJK: I believe the sheevaplug PSU has been measured at ~5V -> http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=260.0
May 19 22:02:08 <mcginnist> http://www.qrz.com/db/?callsign=w8tvi    <--looks shady to me
May 20 01:50:07 <W8TVI> damn nickserv
May 20 01:50:46 <W8TVI> I'm turning off stupid nick kill.
May 20 01:51:27 <W8TVI> I don't know what it is, but the same setting on my end have worked for about 5 years, and now all of the sudden this starts happening.
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