**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 22 02:59:57 2009
May 22 05:29:54 <deadcat> can i patch and compile my own kernel with the grsecurity patch?
May 22 05:30:03 <deadcat> i plan to run debian on it.
May 22 05:30:51 <deadcat> planning to replace my colbalt qube 3 with the sheeva. (= more power, less noise.
May 22 08:27:00 <prafulla> Hi Rabeeh, I have posted u-boot patches for sheevaplug board support to the u-boot community, I want to put this info on openplug.org/plugwiki/. Will you please suggest me where exactly I should put this information? any further guidelines?
May 22 09:34:10 <digger3> I'm quite happy with the new sheevaplug installer, the use of ubifs and the simplicity of the tool make it very nice to use
May 22 09:53:19 <zumbi> digger3: where is it?
May 22 09:55:06 <digger3> zumbi: http://www.openplug.org/plugwiki/index.php/SheevaPlug_Installer
May 22 09:59:54 <zumbi> digger3: thanks :)
May 22 10:00:16 <zumbi> bizkut: could you fix your irc client ?
May 22 11:11:25 <atari`> i just had a 617756672 bytes sent in 00:29 (19.96 MB/s)
May 22 11:11:40 <atari`> has someone better results?
May 22 11:20:29 <lennert> doh
May 22 11:20:40 <Md> atari`: no, I think this is the pysical limit (but I don't know which is the limiting factor)
May 22 11:20:58 <Md> lennert: bizkut!*@*
May 22 11:21:04 <lennert> Md: thx
May 22 14:29:26 <guerby> hi, anyone knows about an embedded design using the Sheeva as board?
May 22 14:29:37 <guerby> eg running on battery
May 22 14:30:51 <Md> guerby: rip out the boards and connect them to your own custom 5V DC power supply
May 22 14:31:12 <Md> I think you need a regulated source
May 22 14:31:36 <guerby> Md eh :) did someone measure DC power consuption? I did some measure with a killawatt on AC but I've seen DC measures
May 22 14:32:04 <Md> I don't remember
May 22 14:32:37 <Md> anyway it's trivial to work out, I think you can suppose a 95% efficiency from the internal power supply
May 22 14:34:43 <guerby> Md, 95% looks very high to me. Expensive power supply for PC are having a hard time reaching 85%
May 22 14:36:33 <Nod51> So it looks like Slashdot has posted about "uses of a Wall-Wart", for me the thing is as fast as an AthXP 2500+ with 756MB of ram. I run torrentflux (unmodified) mysql, samba, 1.5tb and 1tb HD, rsync, openvpn, apache (no alterations), and a PnP media server (not heavily used, still playing with it). I rarely reach 100% CPU according to top
May 22 14:37:46 <Nod51> so everyt time I see the 'can it do this' I am always confused, sure if they want grub or wine it just wont run, but I don't see the need for httplite, sqllite, bittornado or whatever
May 22 14:38:29 <Nod51> in fact after a couple days I started to forget it it was the size of 3 iPhones
May 22 14:40:05 <Nod51> now having ranted on about that, has anyone see how I could hack the plug to expose the 2 SATA, would really speed up over my gigabit network, USB is slow and my $12 7port USB hub is unstable during intense I/O
May 22 14:40:44 <lennert> sata would be faster than usb, but it's hard to get at the pins
May 22 14:41:04 <Nod51> aye, I figure sooner or later someone would try
May 22 14:41:24 <Nod51> 1tb mirror to 1tb takes a while over USB haha
May 22 14:41:46 <Nod51> and the drives have eSATA
May 22 14:42:05 <lennert> yeah :)
May 22 14:42:06 <Nod51> any word if they will make a plug with 2 eSATA on the plug?
May 22 14:42:06 <Md> Nod51: the problem is that many pins are shared, so they may already be in use for something else
May 22 14:42:13 <Nod51> oh...
May 22 14:42:34 <lennert> Md: the sata pins aren't shared, since they are high-speed signals and need special drivers
May 22 14:42:43 <Md> I plan to post all the details about the usable signals to my blog in a few days
May 22 14:43:09 <Md> lennert: are they on the two 30 pins header on the main board? if they are, then it's easy to use them
May 22 14:43:28 <Nod51> well I would be looking more for a how-to from an engineer as I am mainly software
May 22 14:43:35 <Md> would they need some kind of transceiver?
May 22 14:43:41 <lennert> Md: i'm not sure
May 22 14:43:54 <lennert> Md: no, they won't need a transceiver, the high speed serial is in the chip itself
May 22 14:44:14 <Md> Nod51: even if they are there, you need to be *very* good with the soldering iron because the connector is very very small
May 22 14:44:30 <Nod51> I thought all this stuff was system on a chip so everything was internal just needed pins hooked up....
May 22 14:44:32 * Md checks
May 22 14:44:32 <lennert> also, you have to take care you don't make impedance discontinuities :)
May 22 14:44:59 <Nod51> yeah... small pins... oh well
May 22 14:45:28 <Nod51> so what about SPv2 with 2 eSATA?
May 22 14:45:42 * lennert doesn't know about future plans
May 22 14:46:28 <Nod51> kk, I am a little surprised they thought of this thing as a file server with gigabit but left it restricted to USB...
May 22 14:46:50 <lennert> well, just for pictures or so, you don't need a lot of bandwidth
May 22 14:46:52 <Nod51> at least 1 eSATA would have been useful..
May 22 14:47:05 <lennert> and most esata enclosures also have usb
May 22 14:47:11 <lennert> and usb is hubbable
May 22 14:47:18 <lennert> so i can sort of see why it was done
May 22 14:47:59 <Nod51> oh and I honestly don't need more either but eSATA would allow the device to act as a much better fileserver for things like video editing or such...
May 22 14:48:13 <lennert> right
May 22 14:48:51 <Nod51> oh I think if it was USB or eSATA I would pick USB without a doubt, but USB and eSATA would be better...
May 22 14:48:58 <Nod51> :-)
May 22 14:49:27 <lennert> sure :)
May 22 14:49:28 <Nod51> well thanks, I will keep on the lookout, perhaps I can send an e-mail to the company
May 22 14:49:52 <lennert> you should tell rabeeh
May 22 14:50:04 <Nod51> they put SATA controllers on there for a reason
May 22 14:50:32 <lennert> a typical application won't use half the peripherals
May 22 14:50:56 <lennert> but it's easier to just make one chip that has it all
May 22 14:51:12 <Nod51> well if eSATA was the difference between $100 and $200 then yeah no need
May 22 14:51:22 <Nod51> but if it was $120 with eSATA I want!
May 22 14:51:45 <lennert> hehe
May 22 14:51:53 <Nod51> $200 if they expose that ePCI!
May 22 14:52:11 <Nod51> $400 if they also put on a second CPU
May 22 14:52:42 <suihkulokki> Nod51: then you should pick this: http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-21-openrd-client.aspx =)
May 22 14:52:51 <Nod51> though I don't think the armv5 arch supports multiple, or if it is up to the arch...
May 22 14:53:36 <Md> Nod51: no, actually the differential SATA signals are not multiplexed (only two control signals) and AFAICS the pins are unconnected
May 22 14:53:36 <lennert> armv5 smp is possible in theory
May 22 14:53:40 <Nod51> hell yeah!
May 22 14:54:16 <lennert> ..just like how you can in theory put all the toothpaste back into the tube
May 22 14:54:33 <Nod51> rofl great expression
May 22 14:55:30 <Nod51> crap $200, thats great!
May 22 14:55:48 <Nod51> umm now how to word it to the wife....
May 22 14:55:48 <digger3> lol
May 22 14:56:17 <Nod51> "it will save power dear"
May 22 14:56:37 <Nod51> darn I already pulled that one with the SP
May 22 14:56:48 <lennert> "it will save the cute little baby seals"
May 22 14:57:28 <Nod51> win! I can print out the picture of the seal getting clubbed then be like "see what happens, can I buy the server now?"
May 22 14:57:47 <Nod51> totally unrelated but logic is not strong with here sometimes
May 22 14:58:10 <Nod51> red haring I think they call it.
May 22 14:58:14 <lennert> Nod51: that'd work
May 22 14:58:32 <lennert> Nod51: or mention something about $DEITY killing a kitten
May 22 14:58:51 <Nod51> yeah one of the many she tries to adopt from the street...
May 22 15:00:02 <dattaway_> slashdot.org has another article on the sheeva
May 22 15:00:05 <Nod51> thank goodness the first cat she adopted chases away any others, including it's son, we think she ate him...
May 22 15:00:54 <mcginnist> Nod51: Can I borrow your cat?
May 22 15:01:20 <mcginnist> Nod51: It won't attack my children, will it?
May 22 15:01:50 <Nod51> oh no loves people
May 22 15:02:15 <Nod51> and really only chases things (including large dogs) away when people are around
May 22 15:02:38 <Nod51> we give it lots of attention, apparently it wants more
May 22 15:04:18 <Nod51> the only thing it seems to be scared of is my rabbit, I toss the cat into the 12ftx10ft cage I have outside and it leaps out like I thew it in with raptors haha... anyhow way of topic...
May 22 15:04:43 <Nod51> haha I saw SMbus and was like "wow cool a dedicated samba port.. wait...
May 22 15:06:27 <Nod51> so the SMbus is just used to monitor the RD-C?
May 22 15:06:53 <Md> smbus is an I2C bus
May 22 15:07:20 <Md> in the sheevaplug it's only available multiplexed on the same pins of the serial console (very annoying)
May 22 15:11:43 <kusznir_> suihkulokki: The operd-client hardware you posted...Is that based on the same CPU that runs the sheeva plug?
May 22 15:19:34 <Md> yes
May 22 15:32:05 <kusznir_> So in the sheeva plug, there is a "daughter card" with a large, multi-pin connector connecting it to the "main board".  Does this board include additional features that are not pinned out, such as eSATA and PCIe?  (So by replacing the daugher board, you can add this functionality)?
May 22 15:35:28 <Md> no
May 22 15:35:41 <Md> read the schematics
May 22 15:42:25 <armin76> lol
May 22 15:43:11 <likewise> this might even be more interesting: the openrd-base: http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-20-openrd-base.aspx
May 22 15:46:56 <Nod51> I am liking that RD-B
May 22 15:47:30 <likewise> You can play with most of the interfaces on that board.
May 22 15:53:21 <Nod51> I like to play with interfaces.. those dirty dirty interfaces... mmmmm
May 22 16:07:15 <timtimwork> hmm looks useful. might have to order one out of community dev pot-o-cash.
May 22 16:07:31 <timtimwork> the open-rd client, now its orderable :)
May 22 16:07:59 <armin76> hrm? its been orderable as the same time as the plug
May 22 16:08:30 <timtimwork> it wasnt when it launched at globalscale im pretty sure.
May 22 16:08:32 <armin76> prafulla_: hello :)
May 22 16:08:44 <timtimwork> as in, when the plug was orderable, not shipping
May 22 16:08:55 <armin76> timtimwork: well, it was hidden, maybe it isn't now :)
May 22 16:08:57 * armin76 looks
May 22 16:08:57 <timtimwork> i didnt look for a while
May 22 16:09:12 <timtimwork> yeah, it didnt have a buy button when it was hidden :)
May 22 16:10:20 <timtimwork> anyway $199 is an okay price (it was better last year when the exchange rates were better tho muugh!)
May 22 16:10:42 <armin76> well, an nslu2-linux ordered one, but got two plug instead :D
May 22 16:10:56 <armin76> er
May 22 16:11:00 <armin76> nslu2-linux dev
May 22 16:11:08 <timtimwork> yeah tom was promised one but got plugs
May 22 16:11:17 <timtimwork> :)
May 22 16:11:41 <Nod51> the RD-Base, what form factor is it? can I get a mini-itx or something case?
May 22 16:12:32 <Nod51> just says small form factor
May 22 16:12:33 <armin76> i doubt its a standard one
May 22 16:12:37 <Nod51> kk
May 22 16:12:49 <Nod51> I can always make my own or something
May 22 16:12:55 <armin76> yup
May 22 16:14:01 <Nod51> hmm I wonder why they exposed evertything on the RD-B except the second gbit
May 22 16:15:14 <Nod51> if that was on then it would have everything on the chip exposed
May 22 16:15:32 <Md> Nod51: probably because the signals are shared
May 22 16:16:24 <Nod51> sorry I am software developer, so you are saying that they had a choice between 2nd gbit and...?
May 22 16:16:36 <Nod51> PCIe or something?
May 22 16:17:05 <Nod51> in the RD-C they have 2 gbit and I assume the video is on the PCIe
May 22 16:18:41 <Nod51> looks like the RD-C just has a built in USB hub though for the 7 USB ports
May 22 16:19:25 <Nod51> anyhow doesn't matter about the second gbit, a USB eth or a PCIe would allow for such options
May 22 16:20:20 <Nod51> oh and the top and bottom view pictures are the same for me on the RD-B
May 22 16:44:22 <BlackFlag> hi everybody... i'm new here. interested in running FreeBSD + sguil on the box.
May 22 17:04:33 <mwc> If only the sheeva had a second ethernet NIC
May 22 17:04:44 <mwc> I'd replace my craptastic router today.
May 22 17:04:56 <BlackFlag> that was my first thought too
May 22 17:05:14 <mwc> I think I remember reading a data sheet on the SoC that claimed it had two nics
May 22 17:05:37 <BlackFlag> This is what I use for a router: http://www.soekris.com/net5501.htm
May 22 17:06:07 <mwc> Yeah, I've looked at those
May 22 17:06:15 <mwc> pretty nice, but a little too expensive for a grad student
May 22 17:07:00 <BlackFlag> def. expensive, but I just couldn't resist having a completely hackable OpenBSD router with (4) NICs
May 22 17:07:45 <mwc> I've also looked at MSI Wind Barebones nettops
May 22 17:07:49 <mwc> they look like they'd do the job
May 22 17:07:54 <mwc> just not sure about getting a second nic in there
May 22 17:07:54 <BlackFlag> oh, i have one of those too :)
May 22 17:08:00 <mwc> the LAN can be handled with a switch
May 22 17:08:00 <BlackFlag> that's my web server / NAS
May 22 17:08:10 <mwc> Oh, then you can tell me if there's any way to get a second NIC in one
May 22 17:08:31 <BlackFlag> hmmm... offhand I'm not sure... lemme look
May 22 17:08:55 <mwc> I remember reading about a wifi card expansion
May 22 17:11:12 <BlackFlag> it doesn't have any PCI slots... just 2xSATAII
May 22 17:11:37 <BlackFlag> I threw in a Tb HD and and RDX drive
May 22 18:03:56 <Nod51> BlackFlag: http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-20-openrd-base.aspx + http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106003
May 22 18:05:38 <BlackFlag> hmmm... looks way more expensive than my soekris
May 22 18:05:42 <Nod51> or for 2 Ethernets http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106014
May 22 18:05:46 <Nod51> yeah haha
May 22 18:06:06 <Nod51> you only have 1 PCIe to play with...
May 22 18:06:22 <Nod51> though if you get the client version of the sheeva you get 2 ehternets
May 22 18:06:33 <Nod51> but for some reason they don't have 2 on the base
May 22 18:07:20 <Nod51> http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-21-openrd-client.aspx# for 2xethernets but you loose the PCIe as I think the video uses it
May 22 18:07:42 <Nod51> now if you don't mind 100mbit you can buy USB ethernets
May 22 18:08:01 <Nod51> 3 or 4 before you saturate the USB
May 22 18:09:23 <Nod51> I am actually considering the Base + http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816132014
May 22 18:09:29 <BlackFlag> a little too souped up for me... i'll stick with the plug. i'm thinking it'll become some sort of network security appliance
May 22 18:09:35 <Nod51> as I want a file server more then a router
May 22 18:09:59 <Nod51> haha yeah I have the plug as my file/torrent/web/media server
May 22 18:10:10 <Nod51> works great
May 22 18:11:42 <BlackFlag> I love my MSI Wind PC for a NAS. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167032
May 22 18:13:39 <Nod51> looks cool
May 22 18:14:21 <Nod51> about the same price as the sheeva base once you buy ram I guess... maybe little cheaper since you have to buy a case with the sheeva
May 22 18:14:39 <Nod51> and you don't have to buy enclosures for the wind
May 22 18:14:56 <Nod51> wonder what power usage is like...
May 22 18:15:06 <BlackFlag> yeah, the MSI is super cheap. you'll have to buy an SD card though
May 22 18:15:46 <Nod51> I think the CPU uses like 5 watts or something crazy still, can't beat the ARM arch though mwhaha
May 22 18:16:24 <BlackFlag> MSI says the box uses <40W at full power.
May 22 18:16:26 <Nod51> still spending ~$50-100 more to save $5 a year on power....
May 22 18:16:34 <Nod51> with 2x HD?
May 22 18:16:39 <BlackFlag> prob not
May 22 18:16:48 <Nod51> I know my 2 externals use more than the plug for sure
May 22 18:17:01 <Nod51> I think the plug is rated at .5watt on the wall
May 22 18:17:09 <Nod51> if I read the back right
May 22 18:17:25 <Nod51> 5watt 12vdc
May 22 18:17:26 <BlackFlag> I would measure it myself but I don't have one of those electricity-meter things
May 22 18:17:43 <Nod51> I do but I don't want to unplug the thing :-)
May 22 18:18:03 <Nod51> I am forwarding my IRC packets through it now since work firewalls IRC
May 22 18:18:22 <Nod51> ssh forwarding ftw
May 22 18:19:00 <BlackFlag> I do that every day at work for imap, http, and IM.
May 22 18:19:27 <Nod51> :-)
May 22 18:19:38 <BlackFlag> Aside from slow cable modem upstream, everything works flawlessly
May 22 18:19:48 <Nod51> so I can't unplug my plug right now or I would have to set it all up again haha
May 22 18:19:53 <Nod51> aye
May 22 18:21:11 <Nod51> I did hook my power meeter up to my batter backup running: DSL modem, 8port switch, SP, 1.5TB Seagate external, 1tb external, 30gb external and it was like 50watts
May 22 18:21:27 <Nod51> after the batter backup recharged itself
May 22 18:22:05 <BlackFlag> did you keep the default Debian install on the sheeva plug?
May 22 18:22:16 <Nod51> I moved it to the 30gb external
May 22 18:22:30 <Nod51> my internal flash is corrupted after I tired to use it 3 weeks later
May 22 18:22:39 <BlackFlag> oh, yikes
May 22 18:22:44 <Nod51> I had it running on SD
May 22 18:22:49 <Nod51> but was slow!
May 22 18:22:55 <Nod51> so I moved it to USB
May 22 18:23:18 <Nod51> sadly I bought a cheap powered 7port USB that starts resetting itself after heavy usage
May 22 18:23:54 <Nod51> so when I run rsync on the 1.5 and 1 tb after moving like 300gb worth of stuff... it has had to be reset sometimes
May 22 18:24:00 <Nod51> still not the plugs problem
May 22 18:24:13 <Nod51> $12 for a 7 port from some random website fail
May 22 18:24:22 <Nod51> that will learn me
May 22 18:24:23 <BlackFlag> :)
May 22 18:24:53 <Nod51> I like the fanless of the plug though
May 22 18:25:03 <Nod51> loud HDs is all I hear
May 22 18:26:05 <Nod51> I have been very happy with it, the performance is above what I expected
May 22 18:26:07 <BlackFlag> The MSI is silend w/CF card (OS) + 1TB SATA (data)
May 22 18:26:11 <BlackFlag> silent
May 22 18:26:29 <Nod51> I was suprised to see ~5-8% CPU usage on a 8.5mb/sec samba transfer
May 22 18:26:34 <BlackFlag> How long did it take your plug to arrive?
May 22 18:26:46 <BlackFlag> I ordered one today. They say 4-6 weeks
May 22 18:26:52 <Nod51> I got it like end of april or beginning I don't know
May 22 18:26:58 <Nod51> had it for a month or 2 I guess...
May 22 18:27:15 <Nod51> I orderd it soon as it posted on slashdot
May 22 18:27:19 <Nod51> pre-ordered
May 22 18:27:43 <Nod51> I was near the firsts because some people here had still not gotten theirs
May 22 18:29:00 <Nod51> I really thought I would have to use some low profile programs like httplite and/or sqllite, stuff like that, gladly I did not have to worry
May 22 18:29:16 <Nod51> use it just like any Debian system
May 22 18:29:18 <BlackFlag> cool
May 22 18:29:34 <Nod51> torrentflux, mysql, apache....
May 22 18:29:50 <Nod51> still has free ram space, using like 256mb
May 22 18:29:52 <BlackFlag> i'm going to try to get sguil running on it, but i don't know if i'll be able to. http://sguil.sourceforge.net/
May 22 18:30:35 <Nod51> oh yeah I have Gnome and VNC running on the plug too
May 22 18:30:53 <BlackFlag> wow. impressive.
May 22 18:31:05 <Nod51> though I stopped them so I could free up 100mb, brining it down to the ~256 I stated above
May 22 18:31:37 <Nod51> apache performance wise I woudl guess is around AthXP 2000-2500+
May 22 18:31:47 <rutter> Hi, i'm interested in the sheevaplug, but I live in the UK. Is there are UK version or is the plug ok with 220V input and a simple adaptor. Also, where would the best place be for me to buy one from the UK?
May 22 18:31:49 <Nod51> floating point = fail
May 22 18:32:05 <Nod51> the plug said on the back 110-220v
May 22 18:32:13 <Nod51> I think it is auto adjusting
May 22 18:32:20 <rutter> ok that's good
May 22 18:32:24 <Nod51> also the connector slides off so you can use a cable
May 22 18:32:28 <rutter> hoping for that to be the case
May 22 18:32:33 <Nod51> the umm I think they call it laptop cable?
May 22 18:32:52 <Nod51> it looks like umm an 8
May 22 18:33:02 <Nod51> best I can describe the connection
May 22 18:33:15 <Nod51> it is a common connection I see on stereos
May 22 18:33:27 <rutter> 3.5 jack?
May 22 18:33:28 <rutter> lol
May 22 18:33:42 <rutter> I think I know what you mean
May 22 18:33:45 <Nod51> haha naa
May 22 18:33:53 <Nod51> power foo! haha
May 22 18:34:23 <rutter> so would I have to import it from the US?
May 22 18:35:01 <rutter> and how easy is it to install a different distro if I don't like the standard one
May 22 18:35:03 <Nod51> I don't think they are made in US.... could be mistaken
May 22 18:35:21 <rutter> well import from retail then :P
May 22 18:35:22 <Nod51> openplug.org wiki
May 22 18:35:34 <rutter> thx nod51
May 22 18:36:33 <rutter> so a US vendor would be my best bet then
May 22 18:36:54 <Nod51> you can put ubuntu (comes default) debian, *BSD, and Gentoo last I looked
May 22 18:37:09 <Nod51> *shrug* I just wen to the website and ordered...
May 22 18:37:22 <Nod51> they took $ and it showed up one day
May 22 18:37:25 <Nod51> haha
May 22 18:37:56 <rutter> hehe
May 22 18:38:11 <rutter> so I should buy the dev kit?
May 22 18:38:42 <rutter> why would they be selling a dev kit for a FOSS device :P
May 22 18:38:42 <Nod51> thats what I did and unless you plan to use it for something someone else has pre-programed it for then a dev kit is what you want
May 22 18:38:52 <rutter> oh
May 22 18:39:27 <Nod51> well if all you want to do if share 1 HD over the network with a web interface to configure, you can get one for like $75, forgot the company though
May 22 18:39:43 <Nod51> with the dev kit you get easy access to the debug console
May 22 18:39:52 <Nod51> so you can modify the boot and such
May 22 18:41:00 <rutter> well i want a home server for stuff like ssh, torrent, vpn, network storage, etc..
May 22 18:41:14 <Nod51> dev kit, works great for me
May 22 18:41:17 <rutter> ok
May 22 18:41:20 <rutter> thx
May 22 18:41:40 <Nod51> http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-20-openrd-base.aspx if you want access to PCIe and sata
May 22 18:41:48 <Nod51> though not as small...
May 22 18:42:25 <Nod51> if I was to get one now I would get the RD-B, but thats because I have HDs attached
May 22 18:42:27 <rutter> for storage I will like just use a usb flash drive or something
May 22 18:42:31 <Nod51> kk
May 22 18:42:33 <rutter> likely*
May 22 18:42:46 <Nod51> I have 2.5tb of storage so USB can be... slow..
May 22 18:43:05 <Nod51> I have umm multiple umm legal Linux ISOs... yeah...
May 22 18:43:27 <Nod51> :-)
May 22 18:44:16 <rutter> :)
May 22 18:44:27 <Nod51> yeah I was worried the SP plastic cover would be about as durable as a milk carton, but was pleased when I saw it was about 1/4in thick hard plastic
May 22 18:45:37 <Nod51> hmm I wonder if I could buy the RD-B and sell my plug on here while there is a shortage...
May 22 18:45:45 <rutter> now all I have to do is pick what to call it
May 22 18:46:10 <rutter> I have all my servers and computers over the years named after total annihlation units
May 22 18:46:16 <rutter> I'm thinking flea
May 22 18:46:33 <Nod51> plug00001 because you need all those digits when you see the performance/price you get and want to make a cluster
May 22 18:46:51 <Nod51> mmm TA good game
May 22 18:47:02 <rutter> beowulf cluster?
May 22 18:47:07 <Nod51> I like TA3D and TASpring
May 22 18:47:14 <rutter> you play spring
May 22 18:47:15 <Nod51> haha bet you can
May 22 18:47:20 <rutter> what is your handle on there?
May 22 18:47:23 <Nod51> I have in the past
May 22 18:47:49 <Nod51> well I got by Nod51 there too but don't play much because friends don't like it as much
May 22 18:48:10 <Nod51> actually 1 friend his comp goes into slide show mode when the d-gun fires
May 22 18:48:20 <rutter> I have trouble gettings people to play it
May 22 18:48:27 <Nod51> he has a NVIDIA 6200 onboard, smooth till d-gun
May 22 18:48:49 <Nod51> I have a 5900gt and it plays fine until there is a large battle
May 22 18:48:52 <rutter> its awesome, but it can be buggy and has major performance issues on a lot of hardware
May 22 18:48:59 <Nod51> aye
May 22 18:49:06 <Nod51> thats the main reason we don't play it...
May 22 18:49:36 <Nod51> I thought TA3D would be the savior but it crashes after 5 sec
May 22 18:49:39 <Nod51> or it did..
May 22 18:49:49 <rutter> not tried ta3d yet
May 22 18:49:54 <rutter> just seen the trailers
May 22 18:50:00 <Nod51> actually classic plays fine in wine with networking now
May 22 18:50:14 <Nod51> got to copy dplay dll and ding!
May 22 18:50:32 <Nod51> even classic was hard to make stable
May 22 18:50:38 <Nod51> sooo many units
May 22 18:50:55 <Nod51> some unit combos make the game crash
May 22 18:51:05 <Nod51> you played Warzone2100?
May 22 18:51:10 <rutter> nope
May 22 18:51:13 <Nod51> another good game if you have time...
May 22 18:51:15 <rutter> not heard of it
May 22 18:51:18 <rutter> ok
May 22 18:51:22 <rutter> I look sometime
May 22 18:51:31 <Nod51> http://wz2100.net/
May 22 18:51:43 <Nod51> you get to build you own unit combo
May 22 18:51:58 <Nod51> tread/body/weapon
May 22 18:52:03 <rutter> neat
May 22 18:52:10 <Nod51> open sourced too
May 22 18:52:27 <Nod51> and was the first 3d RTS (TA was 3d but not really...)
May 22 18:52:46 <rutter> well the models were 3d
May 22 18:53:19 <Nod51> I was thinking, get the RD-B, an ATI PCI-e, compile wz2100 and play on it hahah
May 22 18:54:09 <rutter> has ati gotten around to releasing those open source drivers they have been promising?
May 22 18:54:17 <Nod51> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161079
May 22 18:54:33 <Nod51> I think they are getting better, not quite open source
May 22 18:54:42 <Nod51> I think they opened the specs
May 22 18:54:53 <rutter> well then I'll stick with nvidia for now
May 22 18:54:54 <Nod51> the open source driver is maturing though
May 22 18:55:07 <Nod51> I have 2d problems with NVIDIA right now
May 22 18:55:27 <Nod51> I bought Sacred and it lags on my 5900
May 22 18:55:47 <Nod51> my friends 6200 it plays smooth though
May 22 18:55:58 <rutter> baldur's gate like game?
May 22 18:56:02 <Nod51> and 8xxx series lags
May 22 18:56:17 <Nod51> mmm closer to Diablo 2
May 22 18:56:44 <Nod51> it looks more like BG, but plays like D2
May 22 18:57:17 <Nod51> I am playing through it, found some posts on how to improve my 2d performance, ea they work better
May 22 18:57:54 <Nod51> saves me having to upgrade my ath2800+, 1gb ram, 5900gt 128mb till the next good game
May 22 18:58:16 <Nod51> hoping Rage will be better than ET:QW
May 22 18:58:27 <rutter> looking forward to that
May 22 18:58:36 <Nod51> was going to upgrade to ET:QW but was unimpressed...
May 22 18:59:03 <Nod51> that is if they make a native Linux port of Rage.
May 22 18:59:18 <Nod51> native x86/AMD64 port, I won't ask them for ARM...
May 22 18:59:22 <Nod51> haha
May 22 18:59:50 <rutter> lol, rage on what amount for an air freshener
May 22 18:59:51 <Nod51> I demand Linux ARMv5 port with ATI support!
May 22 19:00:03 <rutter> amounts to*
May 22 19:00:09 <Nod51> haha
May 22 19:00:43 <rutter> anyway, I've got to stop wasting time
May 22 19:00:54 <rutter> got an assessment essay due
May 22 19:01:05 <rutter> nice talking to you
May 22 19:01:05 <Nod51> my plug does get 'warm', enough to make my hand sweat if I held it on it, but I think it is more the transformer than the chip...
May 22 19:01:21 <Nod51> ditto, good luck have fun
May 22 19:17:48 <BlackFlag> i'm outta here too. nice chatting Nod51
May 22 19:18:05 <Nod51> see you later BlackFlag
May 22 21:08:26 <proppy> Hi, is anyone running 2.6.30 on the plug ?
May 22 21:09:17 <Nod51> 2.6.30-rc2 or 3...
May 22 21:09:28 <Nod51> is 2.6.30 final out?
May 22 21:09:43 <Nod51> aww up to rc6
May 22 21:10:21 <Nod51> waiting for 2.6.30 for SP upgrade and Ubuntu laptop with intel video for EXA support...
May 22 21:14:08 <proppy> Nod51: I was thinking of testing marvell tree http://git.marvell.com/?p=orion.git;a=summary
May 22 21:14:17 <proppy> and try linux container
May 22 21:15:17 <Nod51> hmm
May 22 21:21:09 <togetic> how do you plug in a monitor to the plugcomputer?
May 22 21:21:16 <togetic> i only see usb and ethernet ports
May 22 21:21:21 <togetic> what ports are available?
May 22 21:21:30 <Nod51> the mini USB provides a debug console
May 22 21:21:33 <togetic> am i seeing a flash memory drive?
May 22 21:22:29 <Md> you get USB (host), gigabit ethernet and SD, that's all. then there is a combined serial console/JTAG USB port
May 22 21:22:39 <Nod51> http://www.openplug.org/plugwiki/index.php/Serial_terminal_program
May 22 21:24:12 <Nod51> I think getting the Serial Terminal up was my hardest problem...
May 22 21:24:40 <Nod51> but that was because I needed to load the kernel modules with some args
May 22 21:25:43 <Md> that's because you did not read the wiki where I explained how to have udev to it automatically, or every other documentation which explains how to do it manually...
May 22 21:31:55 <Nod51> well I added some of it to the wiki myself, there was not much on the wiki when I got it... :-(
May 22 21:32:07 <Nod51> but it explains now
May 22 21:32:36 <Nod51> well time to restart X, see if UXA is unstable for me...
May 22 21:46:42 <ryanlin_> hi all
May 22 21:46:57 <ryanlin_> does this thing supports syslog and mrtg?
May 22 22:01:35 <elfMobile> hey guys, I was thinking about buying a plugcomputer, but I wanted to know how hard it is to get up and running, connected to the network ready to ssh into it?
May 22 22:08:35 <elfMobile> anyone here?
May 22 22:08:56 <elfMobile> I'm wondering if a single plugcomputer can run samba, apache, and mysql all at the same time
May 22 22:15:57 <Md> elfMobile: it's trivial, if you have some system administration experience
May 22 22:18:34 <elfMobile> Md, I was trying to find that info on the Wiki but couldn't.  I saw stuff about booting from the network and flashing
May 22 22:23:19 <Md> so?
May 22 22:24:59 <elfMobile> Md, I was wondering if out of the box it is useable
May 22 22:26:53 <elfMobile> Md, what distro do you use?
May 22 22:30:00 <Md> debian
May 22 22:30:22 <Md> you probably want to replace the supplied ubuntu install with a recent debian
May 22 22:32:18 <elfMobile> Md, never ran Debian or Ubuntu, I'm only familiar with Gentoo at home, and RHEL5 at work where I don't do any administration
May 22 22:35:54 <Md> there is a gentoo port as well
May 22 22:39:24 <elfMobile> I have an old 1.4GHz Pentium 4 running with only 256 MB of RAM and a 40 GB HDD.  How would this 1.2GHz  ARM processor compare to the 1.4GHz P4?
May 22 22:39:58 <Md> slower
May 22 22:42:30 <elfMobile> Ahh... wasn't sure with these newer processors.
May 23 02:54:11 <BlackFlag> anyone awake?
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