**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 25 02:59:57 2009
May 25 08:26:21 <prafulla_> FYI: I have added a page, please review the same http://openplug.org/plugwiki/index.php/Das_U-boot_plug_support
May 25 08:32:17 <prafulla_> likewise : I am sorry I don't know much about 88RC8480, for me both kirkwood and this loki are different chips targeted for different apps
May 25 08:52:48 <zumbi> do you know which erase block size the plug has?
May 25 08:56:45 <Md> IIRC it's in /proc/mtd
May 25 08:59:05 <zumbi> 128KB then, thanks Md :)
May 25 09:12:22 <mjl-> good day all
May 25 09:12:30 <mjl-> i've been reading a bit about the nand flash
May 25 09:12:48 <mjl-> so far, i understand i have to talk some simple protocol to the nand flash
May 25 09:12:59 <mjl-> but i don't know where to send the command,address,data
May 25 09:13:26 <mjl-> not through the nand controller regs afaik
May 25 09:13:43 <mjl-> then there is the address map mentioning 0xd8000000 as nand flash, of 128MB size
May 25 09:14:21 <mjl-> but i have no idea what that address space is for.  it can't be some direct mapped access to the 512MB nand, right?
May 25 09:14:57 <mjl-> if anyone has pointers on where to get more info on what to do, that would be very welcome ☺
May 25 09:34:43 <DDevine> mjl-: Hopefully you can add it to the wiki when you find out :)
May 25 09:41:40 <mjl-> DDevine: it's pretty low-level programming stuff.  not sure if that's useful for the wiki.  it could be in the docs already, and that i just don't know what i'm looking for.
May 25 09:43:03 <DDevine> Ah well.
May 25 09:43:34 <DDevine> My logger appears to be working so if somebody searches they could find it (when the answer comes).
May 25 09:44:11 <DDevine> I plan to fix up my server setup asap too. I am also going to switch DNS providers so that I can have automatic failover.
May 25 09:44:36 <DDevine> I don't really have the money or time just now though.
May 25 11:34:42 <sonic> hello everyone!
May 25 11:35:33 <sonic> One question: I compiled the kernel as described on
May 25 11:35:34 <sonic> http://www.openplug.org/plugwiki/index.php/Compiling_Linux_Kernel_for_the_Plug_Computer
May 25 11:35:52 <sonic> but when I try to write it with
May 25 11:35:58 <sonic> Marvell>> bubt
May 25 11:36:03 <sonic> I get
May 25 11:36:04 <sonic> Error! invalid image header checksum
May 25 11:36:46 <lennert> bubt is to burn a new uboot
May 25 11:36:51 <lennert> you don't use it to burn a kernel :)
May 25 11:37:17 <sonic> so I don't burn the "uImage" that gets built?
May 25 11:37:34 <sonic> after
May 25 11:37:34 <lennert> uImage is a uboot kernel image, i.e. a kernel image that is wrapped in a format that uboot can boot
May 25 11:37:34 <sonic> make -j4 ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=~/tmp/arm-2008q3/bin/arm-none-eabi- uImage
May 25 11:37:49 <sonic> so it's correct, isn't it?
May 25 11:37:49 <lennert> you do burn the uImage, but 'bubt' is used to overwrite the bootloader
May 25 11:37:55 <sonic> oh!
May 25 11:37:56 <lennert> you don't want to overwrite the bootloader with a kernl
May 25 11:37:59 <sonic> no.
May 25 11:38:25 <sonic> and how do I burn the uImage, then?
May 25 11:39:20 <lennert> now i don't know the commands for that off the top of my head :)
May 25 11:42:16 <zumbi> sonic: you need to load the image from uboot shell on the right address
May 25 11:42:37 <zumbi> sonic: then you nand erase and nand write to the right address
May 25 11:44:10 <zumbi> sonic: it should be somewhere in the wiki/forum
May 25 11:49:22 <sonic> thanks! I found
May 25 11:49:23 <sonic> http://www.openplug.org/plugwiki/index.php/Flashing_an_Operating_System_onto_the_Plug#Accessing_the_NAND_Solid_State_Memory
May 25 12:20:45 <sonic> hmm:
May 25 12:20:46 <sonic> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(31,1)
May 25 13:07:50 <sonic> on
May 25 13:07:51 <sonic> http://www.openplug.org/plugwiki/images/e/e7/Catprocmtd.jpg
May 25 13:08:00 <sonic> there are 3 partitions. I only had 2:
May 25 13:08:13 <sonic> root@debian:~# cat /proc/mtd
May 25 13:08:16 <sonic> dev:    size   erasesize  name
May 25 13:08:20 <sonic> mtd0: 00400000 00020000 "uImage"
May 25 13:08:22 <sonic> mtd1: 1fb00000 00020000 "rootfs"
May 25 13:08:28 <lennert> u-boot isn't exposed then
May 25 13:08:35 <lennert> probably because you might accidentally overwrite it
May 25 13:08:44 <sonic> burning the kernel worked, but I can't mount the rootfs anymore.
May 25 13:08:53 <sonic> I did
May 25 13:08:59 <sonic> setenv bootargs 'console=ttyS0,115200 mtdparts=cfi_flash:0x400000@0x100000(uImage),0x1fb00000@0x500000(rootfs) rw root=/dev/mtdblock2 rw'
May 25 13:09:10 <sonic> also block1
May 25 13:09:48 <sonic> u-boot is exposed now:
May 25 13:09:49 <lennert> try rootfstype=jffs2 ?
May 25 13:09:54 <sonic> Creating 3 MTD partitions on "orion_nand":
May 25 13:09:56 <sonic> 0x000000000000-0x000000100000 : "u-boot"
May 25 13:09:59 <sonic> 0x000000100000-0x000000500000 : "uImage"
May 25 13:10:01 <sonic> 0x000000500000-0x000020000000 : "root"
May 25 13:10:08 <sonic> OK, I'll try.
May 25 13:32:05 <zumbi> mtdparts=cfi_flash ??
May 25 13:36:00 <sonic> thanks for the tip, it works! I wondered about cfi_flash, too. a bit strange though:
May 25 13:36:00 <sonic> Buffer I/O error on device mtdblock0, logical block 0
May 25 13:36:04 <sonic> uncorrectable error : <3>uncorrectable error : <3>end_request: I/O error, dev mtdblock0, sector 8
May 25 13:36:19 <sonic> and so on for 4 records.
May 25 13:36:55 <sonic> but
May 25 13:37:04 <sonic> dev/input/event0
May 25 13:37:12 <sonic> exists now. that's what I wanted :-)
May 25 13:37:52 <sonic> "cfi_flash" comes from
May 25 13:37:52 <sonic> http://www.openplug.org/plugwiki/index.php/Flashing_an_Operating_System_onto_the_Plug#Accessing_the_NAND_Solid_State_Memory
May 25 14:52:20 <zumbi> sonic: those errors you see are normal
May 25 14:53:10 <sonic> that puts my mind at ease.
May 25 14:54:39 <sonic> so, if someone wants a 256 colour screen and keyboard on his SheevaPlug:
May 25 14:54:40 <sonic> http://sven.killig.de/openwrt/slugterm_dl.html
May 25 14:57:35 <DDevine> That's a good link :)
May 25 14:57:44 <sonic> :-)
May 25 14:58:21 <DDevine> Displaylink on a beagle would be cool :) Little multimedia beastie.
May 25 14:58:57 * zumbi believes there is a webpage on beagle+displaylink
May 25 15:00:42 <DDevine> Yeah I think i saw it mentioned. Never really dawned on me that I should look at it.
May 25 15:00:55 <DDevine> The things I'll do when I get a real job...
May 25 15:01:52 <DDevine> priced at about Euro 99. << that 7" samsung isn't too costly.
May 25 15:02:01 <DDevine> though I am in Australia so times that by two...
May 25 15:02:29 <zumbi> http://azerty.nl/producten/product_detail/936/198242/samsung-syncmaster-spf-u70-lcd-scherm-tft-7-800-x-480-200-cd-m2-400-1-30-ms-0-1905-mm-usb-glanzend-zwart.html
May 25 15:02:34 <DDevine> $170 aud...
May 25 15:02:34 <sonic> I imported mine from South Korea, since it isn't available here.
May 25 15:02:43 <DDevine> How much?
May 25 15:02:48 <zumbi> http://www.xenarc.com/product/706tsa.html
May 25 15:03:03 <sonic> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260376291771&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:DE:11
May 25 15:03:38 <zumbi> http://www.win-star.com/eshop/goods.php?id=30
May 25 15:03:47 <zumbi> http://www.frys.com/product/5668991
May 25 15:04:09 <DDevine> Basically I couldn't get one for under $200.
May 25 15:04:20 <DDevine> Ouch. Not as cheap as I was origionally thinking.
May 25 15:04:50 <sonic> $129...
May 25 15:12:03 <DDevine> $129 USD = ~$180 AUD + taxes + shipping (because you can't get it in Australia I bet)
May 25 15:12:16 <sonic> free shipping.
May 25 15:12:22 <sonic> (for AU)
May 25 15:12:31 <DDevine> You REALLY sure about that?
May 25 15:12:46 <sonic> you can test for yourself on
May 25 15:12:46 <sonic> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260376291771&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:DE:11
May 25 15:12:51 <sonic> (bottom of page)
May 25 15:13:23 <DDevine> heh.
May 25 15:13:32 <sonic> "ship to" or sth. like that.
May 25 15:13:50 <DDevine> That's surprising.
May 25 15:14:00 <DDevine> Ah well I should be sleeping now.
May 25 15:14:03 <DDevine> Cya.
May 25 15:14:38 * zumbi believes there was a chep dealer at new zealand
May 25 15:14:44 <sonic> some dealers include shipping into the price, some make it cheaper and charge it extra. I don't know why.
May 25 16:05:35 <eFfeM> zumbi, does this samsung work with openplug and/or beagle ?
May 25 16:08:22 <eFfeM> it is not touch screen, is it ?
May 25 16:09:33 <sonic> eFfeM: yes, it works:
May 25 16:09:34 <sonic> http://sven.killig.de/openwrt/slugterm_dl.html
May 25 16:09:41 <sonic> no touch on this model.
May 25 16:09:48 <eFfeM> pity
May 25 16:10:04 <eFfeM> eur 78 does not seem too bad
May 25 16:10:23 <sonic> http://www.mimomonitors.com/products/mimo-740
May 25 16:10:33 <sonic> has touch, but is sold out at the moment.
May 25 16:11:05 <eFfeM> btw the u70 in nl can be had for eur 72 + shipping = eur 80: http://www.misco.nl/productinformation/~878030~/product.htm?affiliate=150
May 25 16:11:36 <eFfeM> mimo looks great but usd 199 :-(
May 25 16:11:57 <sonic> I doubt that the U70 is available in NL:
May 25 16:11:58 <sonic> http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/1380607_-syncmaster-u70-samsung.html
May 25 16:12:13 <sonic> in Germany, it was presented in January, but hasn't been available since then.
May 25 16:12:34 <sonic> ("Lieferzeit")
May 25 16:13:00 <eFfeM> first hit says 10 tage
May 25 16:13:14 <sonic> it said this 10 days before, too :-)
May 25 16:13:20 <sonic> not very accurate.
May 25 16:13:22 <eFfeM> the dutch link above says 3-10 days
May 25 16:14:34 <sonic> I imported mine from
May 25 16:14:35 <sonic> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260376291771&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:DE:11
May 25 16:14:44 <sonic> took 2 weeks, but arrived in fine condition.
May 25 16:14:57 <eFfeM> yeah saw that eur 92
May 25 16:16:35 <raccettura> has anyone tried using MythTV yet?  Is it powerful enough to act as a backend and handle video?
May 25 16:17:22 <sonic> it isn't that far yet: an Italian is working on a kernel framebuffer driver, but DisplayLink holds back their compression algorithm.
May 25 16:30:15 <eFfeM> 740 looks nice too, but can't find it below eur 170 (incl shipping)
May 25 16:44:25 <armin76> yay uboot patch upstream!
May 25 16:45:40 <Md> all of it?
May 25 16:48:16 <armin76> Md: well, just sheevaplug support
May 25 16:48:34 <armin76> http://www.mail-archive.com/u-boot@lists.denx.de/msg14462.html
May 25 16:59:01 <Bryanstein> sonic, I wonder if they ship that thing to the US for free too
May 25 16:59:34 <sonic> they do.
May 25 16:59:54 <sonic> You can see for yourself on the bottom of
May 25 16:59:57 <sonic> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260376291771&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:DE:11
May 25 17:01:15 <sonic> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260376291771&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:DE:11#ShippingPayment
May 25 17:03:05 <Bryanstein> sonic, so you got one already? If so how do you like it
May 25 17:03:07 <Bryanstein> ?
May 25 17:03:30 <sonic> very much, as you can see:
May 25 17:03:31 <sonic> http://sven.killig.de/openwrt/slugterm_dl.html
May 25 17:04:03 <Bryanstein> I've seen that but there is only 1 picture there
May 25 17:04:33 <sonic> and one video (bad quality) :-)
May 25 17:04:49 <sonic> the panel is quite nice.
May 25 17:05:08 <Bryanstein> oh...I just saw that...click for video
May 25 17:06:43 <sonic> here is a comparison with some more pictures:
May 25 17:06:43 <sonic> http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/akiba/hotline/20090307/ni_cu70.html
May 25 17:09:02 <Bryanstein> lol that video is pretty bad
May 25 17:09:14 <sonic> but fast ;-)
May 25 17:09:21 <Bryanstein> SUPER fast
May 25 17:09:39 * Bryanstein might order one soon
May 25 17:10:54 <Bryanstein> sonic, how long is that usb cable and did you try to use a longer one? I'm pretty sure the video quality would degrade with longer cables
May 25 17:11:05 <Md> not really, it's a digital signal
May 25 17:11:36 <eFfeM> is the refresh rate reasoanble? can you do 60hz ?
May 25 17:12:05 <sonic> the cable that's in the box is about... 50 cm long. I attached it to 2 m long extensions.
May 25 17:12:44 <sonic> under Windows, refresh rate is nearly the same as with my native DVI monitor.
May 25 17:12:57 <eFfeM> does it require separate power? or is it usb powered ?
May 25 17:13:04 <sonic> I even watched TV on it. but sometimes it stutters, and o deinterlacing.
May 25 17:13:13 <sonic> USB powered via 2 plugs.
May 25 17:13:20 <eFfeM> ah ok
May 25 17:14:03 <eFfeM> you need a hub with openplug? I seem to recall openplug usb could do 700 mA or so, so a single cable mgiht work in that case
May 25 17:14:23 <sonic> since I attached a keyboard, too, I bought a hub.
May 25 17:14:34 <eFfeM> although that 740 with webcam and speakers/micro/touchscreen also sounds interesting
May 25 17:14:35 <sonic> the U70 draws 1 A.
May 25 17:15:52 <Md> you need a powered hub then
May 25 17:15:57 <sonic> yes.
May 25 17:16:35 <Bryanstein> I need to buy many other things but I think I'm buying this screen instead...decisions, decisions
May 25 17:16:46 <sonic> :-)
May 25 17:16:59 <Bryanstein> anyone tried any nice sdio cards in the plug? I'm eyeballing this sdio wifi card...atheros based
May 25 17:17:09 <Bryanstein> it's 105, but well worth it
May 25 17:17:12 <eFfeM> note that it is 800x480, nice for photoframe and rss reader, but for browsing it is often too small
May 25 17:17:20 <eFfeM> some websites assume 1024 width
May 25 17:17:28 <eFfeM> that was my problem with eeepc
May 25 17:17:45 <eFfeM> Bryanstein: can you give a link for the card
May 25 17:17:54 <Bryanstein> eFfeM, sure...it's sooooooooooooooo nice
May 25 17:18:27 <Bryanstein> eFfeM, it also has 2 external antenna plugs
May 25 17:18:36 <sonic> a friend of mine buys
May 25 17:18:37 <sonic> http://monitor.samsung.de/produkte/detail2_main.aspx?guid=bed90276-e374-4101-ad94-d16e131f64c4
May 25 17:18:44 <sonic> at the moment. 1920x1080...
May 25 17:19:13 <Bryanstein> http://www.silexamerica.com/component/content/article/243
May 25 17:19:18 <eFfeM> cool, i have a 24" full hd iiyama on my beagle
May 25 17:20:04 <eFfeM> Bryanstein: looks cool
May 25 17:20:08 <Bryanstein> SX-SDWAG-OPEN eFfeM that one comes with open source drivers
May 25 17:20:26 <Bryanstein> no doubt it is...there are actually 2 others with external connectors too
May 25 17:23:03 <Bryanstein> http://mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=sGAEpiMZZMs2Wv7C45tVfDOTKIYQVM%252b8
May 25 17:23:19 <sonic> so you can do AP mode with this SDIO WLAN card?
May 25 17:23:41 <eFfeM> doubt it
May 25 17:23:45 <Bryanstein> No doubt sonic
May 25 17:23:47 <Bryanstein> yes you can
May 25 17:24:28 <sonic> would this be possible with USB, too? would be extremely cheap then.
May 25 17:24:43 <eFfeM> Bryanstein: can you proivde a link, checking for the typenr and hostap does not give any sensible hits
May 25 17:24:53 <eFfeM> sonc, I am unaware of existing usb devices that do hostap
May 25 17:24:53 <Bryanstein> sonic, you find the right chipset you can
May 25 17:24:57 <eFfeM> only minipci
May 25 17:25:17 <eFfeM> and yes, I am open to corrections :-) would love to have hostap on my plug
May 25 17:26:01 <Bryanstein> well if it's prism based...it can do it all day long...atheros based...pretty sure it can too
May 25 17:26:24 <sonic> seems to be very problematic. I'm still on 2.4 on my WL-500gP (Broadcom WLAN) because of WLAN AP :-/
May 25 17:26:29 <Bryanstein> I have both in pcmcia and they work...that new ath5k driver is nice
May 25 17:26:36 <eFfeM> i seem to recall there were some issues with usb, for minipci you are right
May 25 17:27:18 <Bryanstein> google ath5k and hostap
May 25 17:27:30 <sonic> Atheros works, I heard that.
May 25 17:28:15 <eFfeM> i know their new 11n chip does, but did not get one yet
May 25 17:29:36 <Bryanstein> well I know prism works too...I have to blacklist hostap to stay with the prism drivers or vice versus
May 25 17:30:07 <Bryanstein> sonic, you can just find any ole usb stick with prism and solder on an external connector and do nice things
May 25 17:32:04 <eFfeM> ath5k seems to be pci not usb
May 25 17:32:12 <eFfeM> http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers
May 25 17:32:28 <Bryanstein> http://www.socketmobile.com/products/embedded-wireless-communications/sdio-wireless-lan-external-antenna/
May 25 17:32:59 <Bryanstein> http://www.socketmobile.com/images/450x450/WL6235-1127.jpg
May 25 17:35:04 <Bryanstein> sonic, I'm pretty sure you'll find some prism or hermes based USB device out there
May 25 17:35:25 <sonic> I'm googling...
May 25 17:35:40 * Bryanstein helping
May 25 17:37:15 <eFfeM> i googled but didn't find a thing
May 25 17:37:42 <sonic> I only find HostAP, which I though is old and Prism PCI only.
May 25 17:37:47 <eFfeM> afk for a while, but if you find something let me know (and rabeeh, he also asked about this before)
May 25 17:38:45 * Bryanstein knows he can find a few
May 25 17:39:49 <sonic> ipw2200 seems to work, too.
May 25 17:40:58 <Bryanstein> I wouldn't use it though hermes/prism/atheros are the bread and butter...you can get really nice values from them, extremely mature drivers
May 25 17:42:41 <Bryanstein> HWU36D that thing would work...though it's monstrous
May 25 17:43:11 <Bryanstein> but it has the advantage of an antenna and it can be on an elevated surface
May 25 17:45:51 <Bryanstein> there is also an sdio card that is design for internal use only...no plastic on it...just a pcb with the antenna and connectors
May 25 17:46:41 <Bryanstein> http://www.arcadyan.com/english/products/product_detail.asp?PROD_L1ID=00000002&PROD_ID=00000012
May 25 17:46:45 <Bryanstein> that one is prism
May 25 17:47:02 <sonic> I'm surprised, AP should work with this:
May 25 17:47:03 <sonic> http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/p54
May 25 17:49:30 <Bryanstein> It does
May 25 17:50:26 <Bryanstein> matter of fact sonic rabeeh eFfeM http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz
May 25 17:50:37 <Bryanstein> just peruse that...you'll find em all
May 25 17:53:36 <Bryanstein> sonic, you can get reall nice snr values from the supported chips too...the other thing is the jump right into monitor mode and supported packet injection which is big for vulnerability assessments
May 25 17:57:35 <sonic> interesting, with such a thing, even the WL-500gP V2 (without miniPCI) could do kernel 2.6 ...
May 25 18:09:26 <Bryanstein> also orinoco works too..right out the box...on my ibook which has an orinoco based card it autoloads hostap
May 25 18:10:55 <Bryanstein> minipci is really where you get the biggest bang because you can get cards with lets say 300-500mW of power
May 25 18:11:06 <Bryanstein> and do some serious broadcasting
May 25 18:11:26 <sonic> oh, so the interface makes a difference...
May 25 18:12:03 <Bryanstein> well like pcmcia...the highest you'll find in it is 300Mw...I have one...around 300
May 25 18:12:16 <Bryanstein> pcmcia...man they get way up there
May 25 18:12:20 <Bryanstein> I mean minipci
May 25 18:12:57 <Bryanstein> 1000mW/1 Watt
May 25 18:13:58 <Bryanstein> that asus box is a really wrt54 killer
May 25 18:14:16 <Bryanstein> s/really/real
May 25 18:16:41 <sonic> sadly they "optimized" the miniPCI slot away with version 2...
May 25 18:16:55 <sonic> but the USB 2.0 is still nice.
May 25 18:19:41 <sonic> a short while ago, someone asked me how to build SlugTerm DL for the Fonera 2.0 . could be interesting, too. Atheros-based.
May 25 18:22:23 <sonic> just 50 €...
May 25 18:23:57 <Bryanstein> sonic, I know of a usb device that can do hostap but it's 802.11b
May 25 18:24:01 <Bryanstein> only 18 dollars LOL
May 25 18:24:03 <Bryanstein> free shipping
May 25 18:24:07 <Bryanstein> there are 3 left
May 25 18:24:16 <Bryanstein> everyone else has it priced for like 60 dollars
May 25 18:24:32 <sonic> b was the 11 MBit/s standard. hmm...
May 25 18:25:09 <Bryanstein> yes BUT...the sensitivity is way higher at lower speeds and the waves travel further
May 25 18:25:30 <Bryanstein> I go all the way down to 1 when I do certain things
May 25 18:27:03 <sonic> I'm still looking for a solution for my uncle: he has copper plates in the ground for heating X-)
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