**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 21 02:59:57 2009 Jul 21 10:50:58 hi all Jul 21 10:51:20 I can't find datasheets for the device Jul 21 10:51:37 are there programmers manual.. memory mappings, stuff like that Jul 21 10:57:05 http://www.openplug.org/index.php/resources/plugtop-documentation Jul 21 11:46:12 thanx Reedy Jul 21 11:46:30 it really looks like a lovely device Jul 21 11:52:52 how fast you get system booted on this thing ? Jul 21 12:58:02 Question to the embedded experts out there... Jul 21 12:58:41 Does anyone know a "simple(tm)" and well working way to build a debian based minimal embedded systems root file system? Jul 21 12:59:19 I want to build the image comletely on the host but be able to install and / or update packages on the device later on :-) Jul 21 13:01:05 have anybody played with OpenRD-Client platform? Jul 21 13:07:39 kod-e: not with openrd-client but with openrd-base Jul 21 13:23:46 hi dieter_, how do you like it? Jul 21 13:23:54 I'm thinking to get a Client version Jul 21 13:24:05 and, would like to hear some feedback on it Jul 21 13:24:06 kod-e: looks very nice and runs like hell :-) Jul 21 13:24:26 wow Jul 21 13:24:27 :) Jul 21 13:24:34 ql Jul 21 13:24:40 what OS you run on it? Jul 21 13:24:53 and.. I've read on forum, that not all docs are available on that one Jul 21 13:24:54 minimal self made busybox rootfs Jul 21 13:26:11 it comes with a preinstalled fedora distri which seems to run fine. Jul 21 13:26:48 but with an elderly u-boot and kernel. Jul 21 13:27:37 have you been playing with it to that level to reinstalling all from scratch? Jul 21 13:27:45 I mean, how low can I go there Jul 21 13:27:52 can I re-flash it Jul 21 13:28:21 rebuild the u-boot, stuff like that Jul 21 13:30:31 depends on what u-boot and kernel you want to use. Jul 21 13:31:00 The CD contains a monster patch against 1.1.4 u-boot and 2.6.22 kernel which should work but I haven't tried that. Jul 21 13:31:17 on the u-boot ML there are first patches for openrd support. Jul 21 13:31:33 super, Jul 21 13:31:34 I've started today to get most recent u-boot from marvel git up and running. Jul 21 13:31:49 After that I will go on with the git kernel. Jul 21 13:32:07 it looks like a very nice board. I'll definitely get it Jul 21 13:33:06 What you should keep in mind if you want to use git kernel: I don't know the state of the VGA driver in 2.6.22! Jul 21 13:34:07 btw, do you know if on Client version there is a PCI Express bus slot exposed? Jul 21 13:34:33 No, it isn't. There is the VGA chip connected. That's why I use openrd-base ;) Jul 21 13:34:34 do you have it on base? Jul 21 13:34:39 ok Jul 21 13:34:51 Yep - and it works just fine. Jul 21 13:35:06 I've tested with a intel gigabit card today. Jul 21 13:35:56 mm.. wait a sec, so slot is present on Base but not on Client Jul 21 13:36:07 just got confused a bit Jul 21 13:36:56 Yes - on base there is a PCIe slot and on client there is a VGA controller connected by PCIe on board. Jul 21 13:54:13 ok, thanks for clarifying dieter_ Jul 21 13:55:20 I'm sure to get one of those candies to myself Jul 21 13:55:23 :) Jul 21 13:55:56 Good luck :) It looks like they're a bit behind with supplying boards. Jul 21 13:58:43 yea, you're right Jul 21 13:58:59 they give this impression on forum Jul 21 13:59:42 btw Jul 21 14:00:12 what storage devices you use on it? Jul 21 14:00:40 how many sata sockets you have? Jul 21 14:03:56 I only use a usb thumb drive at the moment. Jul 21 14:04:13 But there is one eSATA and one SATA port on it. Jul 21 14:04:35 With mounting holes for a 2.5" SATA harddisk Jul 21 15:14:59 thanks dieter_ Jul 21 15:15:01 ;) Jul 21 15:45:09 hi Jul 21 15:48:18 hi tinker-f595 Jul 21 15:48:50 kod-e: I have the OpenRD Client Jul 21 15:49:06 It is a very nicely made board. Jul 21 15:50:19 Has more on board IO than the Base but as dieter_ said the PCI is used by the VGA. Jul 21 15:53:06 The OpenRD Client and Base are built on the same board. The board is just populated differently. Jul 21 15:53:58 They come with a big set of gerber files so if you are interested in low level hardware connections you can look them up in the gerber Jul 21 16:13:15 thanks tinker-f595 Jul 21 16:13:48 this is cool Jul 21 16:14:24 afaik not all processor documentation is available Jul 21 16:14:34 which somehow sux Jul 21 16:14:49 kod-e: once I get my energy back I am going to setup an OpenRD forum. Too many differences between sheevaplug and the OpenRD series to have them on the same forum Jul 21 16:14:55 as far as I amm concerned Jul 21 16:15:16 I'll definitely follow that Jul 21 16:15:28 all the actual processor docs are available Jul 21 16:15:46 wait here and I will give you the link Jul 21 16:15:57 good, I misread something then.. Jul 21 16:15:59 btw, what about RAM Jul 21 16:16:23 512 MB ddr2 on board Jul 21 16:16:25 what is the config, is it integrated Jul 21 16:16:36 or there are banks provided Jul 21 16:16:56 and by any chance you know how much it supports max? Jul 21 16:16:58 on the board === soldered Jul 21 16:17:07 ok Jul 21 16:17:30 I think that would be a custom order or you would have to be good with hardware to upgrade it Jul 21 16:17:40 need to finish breakfast Jul 21 16:17:50 ok, bon apetit Jul 21 16:18:07 I'm am more interested in low-level software Jul 21 16:18:30 though, software goes nowhere without hardware Jul 21 16:18:31 :) Jul 21 16:26:03 btw, how fast is the boot to an end OS? Jul 21 16:26:32 , how fast you get a login prompt Jul 21 16:41:23 not timed it Jul 21 16:41:57 it comes with jffs on the nand so not the fastest. Jul 21 16:42:22 A more recent build could be created with ubifs which would be faster Jul 21 16:42:48 I intend to eventually get mine booting of a SATA drive Jul 21 16:43:05 why the worry about boot speed? Jul 21 16:43:28 dieter_: http://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_265 Jul 21 16:44:00 just curious Jul 21 16:44:24 arm based embedded systems are really fast with this Jul 21 16:45:27 well depends on the underlying filesystem and the size of the filesystem if it is in nand Jul 21 16:46:19 Heya all. I have an ftdi device, and I'd like to be able to use it without recompiling my kernel. I found and read this thread: http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=84.0 Jul 21 16:46:31 For the CPU docs dowload from the links for the 88F6281 related docs at http://www.marvell.com/products/embedded_processors/kirkwood/index.jsp Jul 21 16:47:05 I decided to implement a tool using posix_openpt and libftdi, but it's not quite working, Is there anyone around who could take a look at the code [eighty lines or so] and tell me if I'm missing something obvious? Jul 21 16:47:19 http://icculus.org/obdgpslogger/ftdipty.c is the code Jul 21 16:47:38 it works mostly, I can connect to the device using minicom Jul 21 16:47:59 but sometimes [often] it seems like something gets buffered, and I have to hit enter a few times for the buffers to actually get flushed Jul 21 17:00:47 I remember when using getchar() you get this situation, so you have to call it twice in a row Jul 21 17:01:06 but I can't see this to be related here though.. Jul 21 17:42:28 I posted in the ftdi forum topic, if anyone has any suggestions, please reply there so's others can see it too Jul 21 17:42:32 http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=84.15 Jul 21 17:42:46 And now I quit reading IRC for a while Jul 21 21:48:20 hey guys, I just got my sheevaplug yesterday. I'm trying to unzip stuff that came on the CD and I'm getting errors. Jul 21 21:48:45 Inside of SheevaPlug_Host_SWsupportPackageLinuxHost.zip is a file "Linux Host Filesystem - rootfs.tar.bz2" Jul 21 21:48:54 bunzip2: Linux Host Filesystem - rootfs.tar.bz2 is not a bzip2 file. Jul 21 21:50:05 file rootfs.tar.bz2 Jul 21 21:50:38 Linux Host Filesystem - rootfs.tar.bz2: gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Wed Feb 25 00:01:42 2009 Jul 21 21:51:23 gzip then Jul 21 21:51:25 so it's gzipped and not bzip2ped Jul 21 21:52:25 http://pastebin.ca/1502504 Jul 21 21:52:29 I get errors Jul 21 21:52:59 the tar contains device nodes, you can't create device nodes as regular user Jul 21 21:53:19 hmmm Jul 21 21:56:51 I'm wondering how to split up my external hard drive for use with this thing. I was thinking 64M boot partition, 10Gb root partition, 100Mb FAT32 partition (to hold the installer for fs-driver), and the rest for data. Jul 21 22:01:04 anyone here running Gentoo? Jul 21 22:15:47 ok. Boot partitions. Here's the deal: If you're not making it smaller than 16M, then there's no real point having one Jul 21 22:16:02 Because their historical purpose was bioses that couldn't see above 16M Jul 21 22:18:54 Is there anyone around who could take a look at my ftdi-pty thing and tell me what's wrong? Jul 21 22:19:09 http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=84.15 Jul 21 22:43:01 received my plug today, upgraded uboot and installed debian on a 4 GB SD following tbm`s instructions. now running debian with 2.6.30.1. everything via serial. so easy. no hacking, no soldering. this little box rocks! Jul 21 22:43:16 now continuing with murmur, the mumble-server Jul 21 22:53:13 mindbender, where is the upgrade for uboot? What docs are you following? Jul 21 22:53:39 I'm all over the place right now... between the wiki and the official docs, and the wiki having multiple pages that seem to serve the same purpose Jul 21 22:54:17 probably this guide: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/unpack.html Jul 21 22:54:26 * ShadowJK found it by googling sheevaplug tbm guide Jul 21 22:54:31 http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/unpack.html Jul 21 22:54:33 yes. Jul 21 22:54:47 start at the bottom with the instructions to upgrade uboot Jul 21 22:54:56 then start at the top to install debian Jul 21 22:55:15 * elfMobile wants to run Gentoo because he's more familiar with it Jul 21 22:56:19 I'm at the point where I'm going to try compile a new kernel and see if I can netboot it, and if it works I'll try replace it on the internal flash Jul 21 22:57:27 I have a 1Tb external HDD. There is no reason for me to use the 512Mb on the plug is there? Or no reason to use an SD card? Jul 21 23:01:07 "du -h Verizon-2009-01-25-1152.mp4" is in root's ~/.bash_history Jul 21 23:05:31 where is the best place to get started with Gentoo? Jul 21 23:33:12 uh oh *** Warning - bad CRC or NAND, using default environment Jul 21 23:34:01 I need some help. I was trying to follow this guide... http://dev.gentoo.org/~armin76/arm/sheevaplug/install.xml#install Jul 21 23:34:27 i ran setenv on arcNumber and mainlineLinux. I booted from tftp but I wasn't in any kind of Gentoo environment Jul 21 23:35:00 so I rebooted.... couldn't get into the Ubuntu environment. So I ran resetenv then reset. Now I'm getting NAND: Nand ECC error Jul 21 23:38:18 can anyone help me recover? I'm lost Jul 21 23:42:16 this thing keeps running diagnostics Jul 21 23:42:28 mindbender36, you there? Jul 21 23:43:36 hm. loading firefox plugins after clicking on the link :D Jul 21 23:46:16 weird Jul 21 23:46:17 so you haven`t updated uboot or something? you only executed the commands from listing 4.3 ? Jul 21 23:46:55 4.2, 4.3, and 4.4 Jul 21 23:46:56 hm. NAND ECC Error. i did not have this problem...and i had to do the same for installing debian... Jul 21 23:47:09 then I got into some weird environment Jul 21 23:47:56 so I rebooted and it wouldn't get back into Ubuntu so I ran resetenv then I'm getting all these errors and its running diagnostics every boot Jul 21 23:47:57 well, maybe this enviroment still was linux? Jul 21 23:48:24 ah...probably you should have continued Jul 21 23:49:25 i guess you could recover this by restoring the uboot variables...you changed them from uboot. stop in uboot, tftpboot again....do listing 4.4 again Jul 21 23:49:37 i guess you should get to the enviroment again. Jul 21 23:49:59 yeah... I'm back in that environment now Jul 21 23:50:50 The problem was that there was no emerge command. I guess I need to download a stage tarball Jul 21 23:51:30 I'm just worried because I can no longer get into the Ubuntu that came with it Jul 21 23:53:08 When I get mine, I just want to update the uboot so I can point it at external devices, then I'll run off a USB thumb drive. Jul 21 23:55:31 Q_Continuum, you can't do that with the stock uboot? Thats kinda crazy Jul 21 23:55:37 I don't know. Jul 21 23:56:01 I don't know what version they're shipping on the plugs currently. I know some of the older versions had difficulty with it. Jul 22 00:06:25 why don't you look at http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?action=forum You will find most information you need there or pointers to the info Jul 22 01:11:31 I really need to put my sheevas into action Jul 22 02:02:10 so when I accidently unplug my serial console how do I reconnect? Jul 22 02:02:18 I keep getting this.... cu: /dev/ttyUSB2: Line in use Jul 22 02:07:16 how can I tell whether my version of U-Boot supports booting from USB? Jul 22 02:20:59 help Jul 22 02:21:11 just type help at the u-boot prompt Jul 22 02:21:43 and look at the commands Jul 22 02:22:24 then look at the various discussions at http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?action=forum **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 22 02:59:56 2009