**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 02 02:59:57 2009
Aug 02 09:20:31 <Tiibiidii> regarding my hub problem of yesterday
Aug 02 09:20:40 <Tiibiidii> i think it could be related to a problem with ehci
Aug 02 09:21:02 <Tiibiidii> so i would try disabling it and see if it persists with uhci/ohci
Aug 02 09:22:11 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: Why do you think it could be regarding to EHCI?
Aug 02 09:22:32 <Tiibiidii> because this morning i noticed
Aug 02 09:22:34 <Tiibiidii> how the hub
Aug 02 09:22:42 <Tiibiidii> has the power led, powered up
Aug 02 09:22:59 <Tiibiidii> but not the four status led for the ports
Aug 02 09:23:00 <Tiibiidii> ... if i plug the hub in the pc it works...
Aug 02 09:23:09 <Tiibiidii> it is an usb2.0 device
Aug 02 09:23:49 <Tiibiidii> it should go into the old, compatible, whatever mode at 12MB/s if the ehci is not present
Aug 02 09:23:52 <Tiibiidii> but maybe
Aug 02 09:24:01 <Tiibiidii> a present, but faulty, ehci driver
Aug 02 09:24:02 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: have you tried lsusb -v on the sheeva while the hub is connected?
Aug 02 09:24:07 <Tiibiidii> is what is causing the problem
Aug 02 09:25:12 <Tiibiidii> http://pastebin.com/m5f3bc51c
Aug 02 09:26:26 <Tiibiidii> _dieter_, do you see anything useful in there?
Aug 02 09:26:50 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: Is this the whole output with a connected hub?
Aug 02 09:27:03 <Tiibiidii> yes
Aug 02 09:27:07 <Tiibiidii> with a connected hub
Aug 02 09:27:08 <Tiibiidii> AND
Aug 02 09:27:15 <Tiibiidii> with a connected hd to the hub
Aug 02 09:27:25 <Tiibiidii> the hd is powered up fine
Aug 02 09:27:45 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: and is the hd accessible?
Aug 02 09:27:49 <Tiibiidii> no
Aug 02 09:27:54 <Tiibiidii> lsusb doesn't show it
Aug 02 09:27:57 <Tiibiidii> fdisk -l neither
Aug 02 09:28:12 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: can you disconnect the hd and try lsusb -v again?
Aug 02 09:28:14 <Tiibiidii> (the hd disk is fine if i attach the hub to my pc)
Aug 02 09:28:19 <Tiibiidii> ok
Aug 02 09:28:59 <Tiibiidii> http://pastebin.com/m1ed7a6d1
Aug 02 09:29:01 <Tiibiidii> here
Aug 02 09:32:07 <Tiibiidii> (hovewer, beside my hypothesis, there are some page that hints me that something like this could be happening: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/d-link-dub-h4-usb2.0-is-not-detected-when-ehci-hcd.o-module-is-included-in-2.4.26-327912/ and http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=270.0 and http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=172.0 )
Aug 02 09:33:39 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: It looks like usb could be really broken. There should be an output from lsusb which shows you the connected hub as a usb device!
Aug 02 09:34:31 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: and there should an output regarding an OHCI (Full speed) hub, too. But it looks like it's missing, too.
Aug 02 09:34:38 <Tiibiidii> yeah
Aug 02 09:34:42 <Tiibiidii> i looked dmesg also
Aug 02 09:34:44 <Tiibiidii> nothing at all
Aug 02 09:34:48 <Tiibiidii> but usb works fine
Aug 02 09:34:54 <Tiibiidii> if i plug the hd directly into it
Aug 02 09:35:08 <_dieter_> have you reconnected your hub after disconnecting the hd?
Aug 02 09:35:10 <Tiibiidii> (unfortunately the usb port alone doesn't give enought power)
Aug 02 09:35:13 <Tiibiidii> no
Aug 02 09:35:17 <Tiibiidii> i mean
Aug 02 09:35:21 <Tiibiidii> i have kept it connected
Aug 02 09:35:30 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: can you please try this and run lsusb -v again?
Aug 02 09:38:13 <Tiibiidii> i have done it 2 times
Aug 02 09:38:24 <Tiibiidii> the first is lsusb -v after unplugging the hub
Aug 02 09:38:29 <Tiibiidii> http://pastebin.com/m8bab45e
Aug 02 09:38:36 <Tiibiidii> this is after replugging the hub
Aug 02 09:38:41 <Tiibiidii> http://pastebin.com/m62a88d41
Aug 02 09:39:23 <Tiibiidii> the last dmesg message is from 50 minutes ago
Aug 02 09:39:37 <Tiibiidii> none of this pluggin/unpluggin is being sensed
Aug 02 09:40:34 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: I haven't a sheeva here at the moment so I can't try it. But I will do this tomorrow in the office.
Aug 02 09:40:46 <Tiibiidii> ?
Aug 02 09:41:03 <Tiibiidii> "do this", what do you refer to?
Aug 02 09:41:04 <Tiibiidii> i mean...
Aug 02 09:41:10 <Tiibiidii> do you have a dlink dub-h4?
Aug 02 09:41:19 <Tiibiidii> (is the model of my hub)
Aug 02 09:41:23 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: I will try to do the same with my sheeva tomorrow (connecting a hub and see what lsusb reports)
Aug 02 09:41:35 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: no I haven't.
Aug 02 09:41:56 <Tiibiidii> thanks, but i have see people in the forum who don't have this problem with their hubs
Aug 02 09:41:56 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: but every other hub should be also good to see if usb is able to enumerate the devices.
Aug 02 09:42:13 <Tiibiidii> i have only another unpowered usb hub
Aug 02 09:42:21 <Tiibiidii> maybe i'll try it
Aug 02 09:42:23 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: Can you reboot your sheeva to see if something has disabled the usb power?
Aug 02 09:42:45 <Tiibiidii> if its relevant i coul plug the hd directly to the sheeva
Aug 02 09:42:52 <Tiibiidii> and post the lsusb -v
Aug 02 09:43:06 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: Please try first without connecting the hd - and only connect your hub.
Aug 02 09:43:07 <Tiibiidii> would that be fine? (it would also demonstrate how the power in the usb still flows)
Aug 02 09:43:19 <Tiibiidii> ?
Aug 02 09:43:29 <Tiibiidii> why?
Aug 02 09:43:39 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: rebooting your sheeva wihtout and connected usb devices.
Aug 02 09:43:43 <Tiibiidii> ok
Aug 02 09:43:45 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: lsusb -v
Aug 02 09:43:49 <_dieter_> connect your hub
Aug 02 09:43:52 <_dieter_> lsusb -v
Aug 02 09:43:58 <Tiibiidii> rebooting
Aug 02 09:44:38 <_dieter_> yes - but do a hard reboot (with disconnecting power from the plug)
Aug 02 09:44:38 <Tiibiidii> btw, do you know of a way to disable ehci?
Aug 02 09:44:42 <Tiibiidii> ah
Aug 02 09:44:44 <Tiibiidii> ok
Aug 02 09:44:59 <_dieter_> No - I don't know a way to disable ehci.
Aug 02 09:45:05 <_dieter_> sorry.
Aug 02 09:45:30 <Tiibiidii> reconnected power
Aug 02 09:47:02 <Tiibiidii> is quite slow to boot from flash^^
Aug 02 09:47:26 <Tiibiidii> logged in at last
Aug 02 09:48:48 <Tiibiidii> this is lsusb, given as the first command after booting and logging in
Aug 02 09:48:49 <Tiibiidii> http://pastebin.com/m2b9f6c87
Aug 02 09:49:02 <Tiibiidii> should i connect now the external hd _dieter_
Aug 02 09:49:03 <Tiibiidii> ?
Aug 02 09:49:16 <_dieter_> no please connect only the hub!
Aug 02 09:49:26 <Tiibiidii> OK
Aug 02 09:50:44 <Tiibiidii> this is after connecting only the hub:
Aug 02 09:50:45 <Tiibiidii> http://pastebin.com/m3344be18
Aug 02 09:51:52 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: do you have usb thumb drive which you can connect now to the hub?
Aug 02 09:52:01 <Tiibiidii> yes
Aug 02 09:52:21 <_dieter_> can you connect it and re run lsusb?
Aug 02 09:53:13 <Tiibiidii> strange
Aug 02 09:53:16 <Tiibiidii> it isn't seen
Aug 02 09:53:37 <_dieter_> yep - that's what i expected. Because your hub isn't seen as well :(
Aug 02 09:53:55 <Tiibiidii> http://pastebin.com/m1b8686da
Aug 02 09:54:01 <_dieter_> Is your hub bus powered or self powered?
Aug 02 09:54:08 <Tiibiidii> self powered
Aug 02 09:54:16 <Tiibiidii> now i'll connect the hd directly
Aug 02 09:54:38 <_dieter_> directly to the sheeva?
Aug 02 09:55:07 <Tiibiidii> yes
Aug 02 09:55:30 <_dieter_> ok
Aug 02 09:55:48 <Tiibiidii> http://pastebin.com/m588ec6d0
Aug 02 09:55:49 <Tiibiidii> it works
Aug 02 09:56:20 <_dieter_> looks fine
Aug 02 09:56:53 <_dieter_> lsusb shows that your hd is self powered - is this right?
Aug 02 09:57:04 <Tiibiidii> sortof
Aug 02 09:57:09 <Tiibiidii> is usbpowered
Aug 02 09:57:18 <Tiibiidii> i connected it with an usbcable with 2 ends
Aug 02 09:57:31 <Tiibiidii> one of the 2 ends (the power one) is connected into my pc
Aug 02 09:57:51 <Tiibiidii> otherwise the sheeva wouldn't manage to power it up
Aug 02 09:58:02 <Tiibiidii> (this is why i bought the powered hub in the first place)
Aug 02 09:58:11 <_dieter_> uuuhhh
Aug 02 09:58:45 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: what happens if you try to use your usb hub only as a power supply for the hd?
Aug 02 09:59:02 <Tiibiidii> never tried
Aug 02 09:59:08 <Tiibiidii> since it would only give power
Aug 02 09:59:12 <Tiibiidii> it should work fine
Aug 02 09:59:15 <Tiibiidii> i'll do it now
Aug 02 10:00:33 <Tiibiidii> it's quite a mess of wires
Aug 02 10:00:41 <_dieter_> :)
Aug 02 10:00:58 <Tiibiidii> uh
Aug 02 10:01:09 <Tiibiidii> ssh connection seems stalled
Aug 02 10:01:09 <_dieter_> uh?
Aug 02 10:01:30 <Tiibiidii> the power plug of the sheeva is quite unstable
Aug 02 10:01:48 <Tiibiidii> maybe it lost connection while i moved iy
Aug 02 10:02:18 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: do you have connected the harddisk to your plug?
Aug 02 10:02:24 <Tiibiidii> (i'm writing with one hand: the other keeps sheeva+hd+hub... otherwise the cable are too short)
Aug 02 10:02:40 <_dieter_> :) sounds interesting...
Aug 02 10:03:04 <Tiibiidii> it's connected
Aug 02 10:03:10 <Tiibiidii> but ssh is stalled
Aug 02 10:03:18 <Tiibiidii> the sheeva is booting
Aug 02 10:03:27 <_dieter_> maybe you have disconnected the power plug from the pc?
Aug 02 10:03:42 <Tiibiidii> pc? not sheeva?
Aug 02 10:03:59 <Tiibiidii> (nono, my pc is a laptop... running off battery and wifi)
Aug 02 10:04:07 <_dieter_> no - i meant the "usb power plug" one of your two usb connections to your hd.
Aug 02 10:04:41 <Tiibiidii> no it's all connected :)
Aug 02 10:05:13 <_dieter_> hm - than maybe your sheeva power plug was the source of the frozen ssh.
Aug 02 10:05:32 <Tiibiidii> yes
Aug 02 10:05:41 <Tiibiidii> as i said is quite unstable
Aug 02 10:06:25 <Tiibiidii> pin reseted the sheeva
Aug 02 10:06:28 <Tiibiidii> lets wait
Aug 02 10:06:44 <_dieter_> ok
Aug 02 10:07:59 <Tiibiidii> hovewer
Aug 02 10:08:28 <Tiibiidii> i haven't tried the usb thumb drive before
Aug 02 10:08:52 <Tiibiidii> so i have found 2 devices the sheeva has problem with
Aug 02 10:09:10 <Tiibiidii> but i can't see what's in common between these two...
Aug 02 10:09:26 <Tiibiidii> ok
Aug 02 10:09:36 <_dieter_> what are the 2 problems???
Aug 02 10:09:40 <Tiibiidii> hd with the power end in the hub
Aug 02 10:09:53 <Tiibiidii> lsusb :
Aug 02 10:10:03 <Tiibiidii> lsusb
Aug 02 10:10:03 <Tiibiidii> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 1058:0702 Western Digital Technologies, Inc. Passport External HDD
Aug 02 10:10:03 <Tiibiidii> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Aug 02 10:10:10 <Tiibiidii> works fine
Aug 02 10:10:12 <_dieter_> :)
Aug 02 10:10:26 <Tiibiidii> i'll detach it now
Aug 02 10:10:56 <Tiibiidii> oh
Aug 02 10:11:07 <Tiibiidii> it seems the sheeva crashed again
Aug 02 10:11:20 <Tiibiidii> it seems due to the fact i unpowered the hd
Aug 02 10:11:36 <Tiibiidii> (but i haaven't put anything in the fstab)
Aug 02 10:11:38 <_dieter_> what did you excatly have detached?
Aug 02 10:11:48 <Tiibiidii> power
Aug 02 10:11:58 <Tiibiidii> the hd one
Aug 02 10:12:01 <_dieter_> while the hd is connected to the sheeva?
Aug 02 10:12:02 <Tiibiidii> inserted in the hub
Aug 02 10:12:05 <Tiibiidii> yes
Aug 02 10:12:12 <Tiibiidii> but with nothing mounted
Aug 02 10:12:28 <_dieter_> hm, maybe thats because the hd will through the whole needed current than from the sheeva...
Aug 02 10:13:25 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: to prevent from these freezes you should try to first disconnect the usb cable from the sheeva and after that disconnecting the "usb power plug" from your usb hub.
Aug 02 10:13:39 <Tiibiidii> i'll do it this way from now on
Aug 02 10:13:45 <Tiibiidii> hovewer
Aug 02 10:13:54 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: but it's strange why the sheeva will freeze :(
Aug 02 10:14:10 <Tiibiidii> what are the 2 problems??? <-- i was referring to the usb thumb drive and the powered hub
Aug 02 10:14:12 <_dieter_> I think there is a load switch with current limitter on the vbus usb output???
Aug 02 10:14:22 <Tiibiidii> both devices aren't seen by the sheev
Aug 02 10:14:33 <Tiibiidii> but i can't get what in common among the two devices
Aug 02 10:15:00 <_dieter_> I don't remember exactly. but do have tried connecting the thumb drive on the hub or directly into the sheeava?
Aug 02 10:15:10 <Tiibiidii> directly in the sheeva
Aug 02 10:15:20 <_dieter_> before or after the reboot?
Aug 02 10:15:26 <Tiibiidii> after the reboot
Aug 02 10:15:28 <Tiibiidii> hovewer
Aug 02 10:15:33 <Tiibiidii> i've reboot many many times
Aug 02 10:15:40 <Tiibiidii> it doesn't change anything
Aug 02 10:15:41 <_dieter_> Maybe you should try it again from scratch.
Aug 02 10:15:50 <Tiibiidii> from scratch?
Aug 02 10:16:19 <_dieter_> disconnect power, boot up sheevaplug run lsusb -v than plug in your thumb drive directly into sheevas usb plug.
Aug 02 10:16:34 <_dieter_> run lsusb -v again and see what happens.
Aug 02 10:17:01 <Tiibiidii> <Tiibiidii> it doesn't change anything <-- if i plug the hd first, it works... then i plug the hub, it doesnt... meanwhile if i plug the hub first it doesn't, then if i plug the hd it works... so it seems totally un related to the state from the reboot
Aug 02 10:17:16 <Tiibiidii> ok
Aug 02 10:17:43 <_dieter_> Hm - I will try tomorrow to see if my sheeva is working reliable with a hub.
Aug 02 10:17:47 <Tiibiidii> for brevity i'll post lsusb (without -v)
Aug 02 10:18:17 <_dieter_> And I also want to have a look how the current limiter works. This is a bit strange...
Aug 02 10:18:58 <Tiibiidii> the point is
Aug 02 10:19:12 <Tiibiidii> uhm
Aug 02 10:19:13 <Tiibiidii> maybe
Aug 02 10:19:23 <Tiibiidii> i'll post lsusb -v of the hub and thumb drive
Aug 02 10:19:25 <Tiibiidii> from my pc
Aug 02 10:20:01 <_dieter_> yep - that would be helpful, indeed.
Aug 02 10:20:30 <Tiibiidii> yes, i think it could be undestanded if we know what's in common between these 2
Aug 02 10:20:31 <Tiibiidii> ah
Aug 02 10:20:33 <Tiibiidii> my kernel
Aug 02 10:20:39 <Tiibiidii> is the 2.6.30.3
Aug 02 10:21:05 <Tiibiidii> from here: http://sheeva.with-linux.com
Aug 02 10:21:14 <Tiibiidii> doesn't know if it could change anything
Aug 02 10:21:22 <Tiibiidii> don't*
Aug 02 10:22:39 <Tiibiidii> after boot, with nothing inserted
Aug 02 10:22:40 <Tiibiidii> lsusb
Aug 02 10:22:40 <Tiibiidii> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Aug 02 10:22:46 <Tiibiidii> thumb inserted:
Aug 02 10:22:56 <Tiibiidii> lsusb
Aug 02 10:22:56 <Tiibiidii> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Aug 02 10:23:04 <Tiibiidii> now i'll try on my pc
Aug 02 10:30:28 <Tiibiidii> this is the lsusb of my pc, with nothing connected (aside from internal devices)
Aug 02 10:30:28 <Tiibiidii> lsusb
Aug 02 10:30:29 <Tiibiidii> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 05ac:8501 Apple, Inc. Built-in iSight [Micron]
Aug 02 10:30:29 <Tiibiidii> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Aug 02 10:30:29 <Tiibiidii> Bus 007 Device 003: ID 05ac:022a Apple, Inc. Internal Keyboard/Trackpad (MacBook Pro) (ISO)
Aug 02 10:30:29 <Tiibiidii> Bus 007 Device 002: ID 05ac:8242 Apple, Inc.
Aug 02 10:30:30 <Tiibiidii> Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Aug 02 10:30:32 <Tiibiidii> Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Aug 02 10:30:34 <Tiibiidii> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Aug 02 10:30:36 <Tiibiidii> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Aug 02 10:30:38 <Tiibiidii> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Aug 02 10:30:40 <Tiibiidii> Bus 003 Device 007: ID 05ac:8205 Apple, Inc. Bluetooth HCI MacBookPro
Aug 02 10:30:42 <Tiibiidii> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Aug 02 10:30:46 <Tiibiidii> this is the lsusb with both the hub and the thumb drive connected
Aug 02 10:31:20 <Tiibiidii> (and the hd to the hub too)
Aug 02 10:31:32 <Tiibiidii>  lsusb
Aug 02 10:31:32 <Tiibiidii> Bus 002 Device 032: ID 1058:0702 Western Digital Technologies, Inc. Passport External HDD
Aug 02 10:31:32 <Tiibiidii> Bus 002 Device 031: ID 05e3:0608 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB-2.0 4-Port HUB
Aug 02 10:31:32 <Tiibiidii> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 05ac:8501 Apple, Inc. Built-in iSight [Micron]
Aug 02 10:31:32 <Tiibiidii> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Aug 02 10:31:33 <Tiibiidii> Bus 007 Device 003: ID 05ac:022a Apple, Inc. Internal Keyboard/Trackpad (MacBook Pro) (ISO)
Aug 02 10:31:35 <Tiibiidii> Bus 007 Device 002: ID 05ac:8242 Apple, Inc.
Aug 02 10:31:37 <Tiibiidii> Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Aug 02 10:31:39 <Tiibiidii> Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Aug 02 10:31:41 <Tiibiidii> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Aug 02 10:31:43 <Tiibiidii> Bus 001 Device 016: ID 13fe:1d00 Kingston Technology Company Inc. DataTraveler 2.0 1GB/4GB Flash Drive / Patriot Xporter 4GB Flash Drive
Aug 02 10:31:46 <Tiibiidii> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Aug 02 10:31:48 <Tiibiidii> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Aug 02 10:31:52 <Tiibiidii> Bus 003 Device 007: ID 05ac:8205 Apple, Inc. Bluetooth HCI MacBookPro
Aug 02 10:31:54 <Tiibiidii> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Aug 02 10:31:56 <Tiibiidii> as you can see the relevant ones are the ID 05e3:0608
Aug 02 10:32:07 <Tiibiidii> and the 13fe:1d00
Aug 02 10:32:47 <Tiibiidii> and here's the lsusb -v of the latter setup:
Aug 02 10:32:47 <Tiibiidii> http://pastebin.com/m5eeb600c
Aug 02 10:32:53 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: the hub is genesis logic one?
Aug 02 10:33:10 <Tiibiidii> no, it's dlink dub-h4
Aug 02 10:33:11 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: I have such one :) So I can try this tomorrow.
Aug 02 10:33:27 <Tiibiidii> but probably that's only the branding
Aug 02 10:33:35 <Tiibiidii> the internals may be the same
Aug 02 10:33:55 <_dieter_> lsusb calls it a genesis logic.
Aug 02 10:34:21 <Tiibiidii> yep
Aug 02 10:34:35 <Tiibiidii> my thumb drive is a kingston
Aug 02 10:34:46 <Tiibiidii> but lsusb sees it as a kingston OR patriot
Aug 02 10:34:52 <_dieter_> ok - so I will come back to you tomorrow and report what my system will do.
Aug 02 10:34:57 <Tiibiidii> thank you
Aug 02 10:43:17 <Tiibiidii> ah
Aug 02 10:43:24 <Tiibiidii> i was almost forgetting
Aug 02 10:43:38 <Tiibiidii> i want to try the unpowered usb hub
Aug 02 10:45:37 <Tiibiidii> on my pc is seen as a
Aug 02 10:45:38 <Tiibiidii> Bus 001 Device 017: ID 05e3:0605 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB 2.0 Hub [ednet]
Aug 02 10:50:10 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: It looks like this was the same manufacturer.
Aug 02 10:50:25 <Tiibiidii> yes
Aug 02 10:50:45 <Tiibiidii> it seems they make the controller for these hubs
Aug 02 10:50:47 <Tiibiidii> hovewer
Aug 02 10:50:48 <_dieter_> and both of them didn't work?
Aug 02 10:50:57 <Tiibiidii> exactly
Aug 02 10:51:05 <Tiibiidii> even this one isn't seen
Aug 02 10:51:30 <Tiibiidii> maybe i should try a bunch of usb devices?
Aug 02 10:51:49 <Tiibiidii> phone, wifi adapter, another usb thumb drive
Aug 02 10:51:53 <Tiibiidii> now i'll test these
Aug 02 10:52:59 <Tiibiidii> phone: nothing (it doesn't even charges, probably not enough current)
Aug 02 10:53:02 <_dieter_> so have fun :)
Aug 02 10:54:25 <Tiibiidii> wifi adapter: nope
Aug 02 10:55:48 <Tiibiidii> other usb thumb drive:
Aug 02 10:55:49 <Tiibiidii> nope
Aug 02 10:55:53 <Tiibiidii> :(
Aug 02 10:56:15 <Tiibiidii> it's worse than i thought
Aug 02 10:56:20 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: you have tried connecting them directly to the plug and all of your devices doesn't work?
Aug 02 10:56:38 <Tiibiidii> this means that it's a serious problem on the plug's side
Aug 02 10:56:43 <Tiibiidii> exactly
Aug 02 10:56:47 <Tiibiidii> the only one who works
Aug 02 10:56:49 <Tiibiidii> is the hd
Aug 02 10:57:00 <Tiibiidii> but only when assisted by another power source
Aug 02 10:57:11 <Tiibiidii> maybe
Aug 02 10:57:20 <Tiibiidii> devices
Aug 02 10:57:31 <Tiibiidii> even like powered hubs
Aug 02 10:57:35 <Tiibiidii> doesn't connect
Aug 02 10:57:37 <_dieter_> maybe your plug is damaged from the high current demand of your hd?
Aug 02 10:58:00 <Tiibiidii> if they don't see current coming from the plug
Aug 02 10:58:13 <Tiibiidii> this would explain another thing i noticed:
Aug 02 10:58:20 <Tiibiidii> if the plug's usb
Aug 02 10:58:25 <Tiibiidii> doesn't give current
Aug 02 10:58:31 <Tiibiidii> so
Aug 02 10:58:38 <Tiibiidii> when i plugged the hd
Aug 02 10:58:48 <Tiibiidii> it didn't even powered up the led
Aug 02 10:59:06 <Tiibiidii> but the sheeva is supposed to bring 780mA
Aug 02 10:59:09 <Tiibiidii> yesterday
Aug 02 10:59:16 <Tiibiidii> i plugged the hd in a usb charger
Aug 02 10:59:31 <Tiibiidii> and his 500mA
Aug 02 10:59:39 <Tiibiidii> powered on the hd's led just fine
Aug 02 10:59:48 <Tiibiidii> 500 mA weren't enough
Aug 02 10:59:53 <Tiibiidii> in fact it couldn't spin up
Aug 02 11:00:25 <Tiibiidii> but this explains why, a device with less current than the plug, could deal more power: the plug doesn't power up anything at all
Aug 02 11:00:38 <Tiibiidii> to be certain
Aug 02 11:01:07 <Tiibiidii> i would need to have some sort of amperometer/wattmeter usb
Aug 02 11:01:27 <Tiibiidii> but this seems a consistent hypothesis
Aug 02 11:01:39 <Tiibiidii> maybe your plug is damaged from the high current demand of your hd? <-- i couldn't see how this could happen:
Aug 02 11:01:53 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: first of all I would try to messure if the plug provides 5V bus power on the usb connector
Aug 02 11:02:25 <Tiibiidii> the first time i attached the hd, it didn't even turn the led on... this would mean there was something bad from the beginning
Aug 02 11:02:43 <_dieter_> That will be possible!
Aug 02 11:02:51 <Tiibiidii> <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: first of all I would try to messure if the plug provides 5V bus power on the usb connector <-- you're right...
Aug 02 11:02:54 <Tiibiidii> uhm
Aug 02 11:03:09 <Tiibiidii> hovewer this isn't good news
Aug 02 11:03:30 <_dieter_> no - not really.
Aug 02 11:04:22 <Tiibiidii> this was before i even upgraded the kernel
Aug 02 11:04:34 <Tiibiidii> in fact i connected the hd for the first time
Aug 02 11:04:37 <Tiibiidii> on wednesday
Aug 02 11:05:16 <Tiibiidii> until thursday i was still using root account, without all the upgrades, etc... i was using the stock installation
Aug 02 11:05:30 <Tiibiidii> i hoped that this would be some sort of obscure problem
Aug 02 11:05:36 <_dieter_> Any marvell usb experts online?
Aug 02 11:05:52 <Tiibiidii> something solvable, with a kernel upgrade (or something simpler possibly)
Aug 02 11:05:55 <_dieter_> How does sheevaplug handles over current on usb vbus?
Aug 02 11:06:59 <Tiibiidii> knowing this hovewer
Aug 02 11:07:03 <Tiibiidii> seems strange that
Aug 02 11:07:07 <Tiibiidii> powering the usb hd
Aug 02 11:07:11 <Tiibiidii> with another source
Aug 02 11:07:19 <Tiibiidii> then it runs just fine
Aug 02 11:07:25 <Tiibiidii> since
Aug 02 11:07:39 <Tiibiidii> also the powered hub is powered (duh)
Aug 02 11:08:24 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: I don't know exactly what self powered hub means.
Aug 02 11:08:34 <Tiibiidii> ?
Aug 02 11:08:42 <Tiibiidii> i mean the dlink dub-h4
Aug 02 11:08:45 <_dieter_> Maybe this means only that the downstream supplies are powered through an external power source.
Aug 02 11:08:57 <Tiibiidii> mhn
Aug 02 11:08:59 <Tiibiidii> right
Aug 02 11:09:12 <_dieter_> but the usb controller on the hub itself is powered by vbus - I would expect this, infact!
Aug 02 11:09:40 <Tiibiidii> so it makes sense
Aug 02 11:09:49 <_dieter_> At least the controller chip will monitor vbus power to detect a connection on the upstream port.
Aug 02 11:10:01 <_dieter_> And if no vbus detected it will not power up.
Aug 02 11:10:29 <_dieter_> So in fact, it could be the root of the problem that your sheeva doesn't provide any vbus.
Aug 02 11:10:36 <Tiibiidii> yep
Aug 02 11:10:39 <_dieter_> (at least under load).
Aug 02 11:10:49 <Tiibiidii> but if it doesn't provide any vbus...
Aug 02 11:10:58 <Tiibiidii> i guess i should ship it back
Aug 02 11:11:09 <_dieter_> If you're trying to meassure the vbus please be aware of some kind of minimal load!
Aug 02 11:11:18 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: yep - i would suggest this.
Aug 02 11:11:44 <Tiibiidii> i don't know of feasible is that (i know one guy with a certain experience with soldering hovewer)
Aug 02 11:11:48 <Tiibiidii> but opening the sheeva
Aug 02 11:12:01 <Tiibiidii> voids some sort of warranty?
Aug 02 11:12:11 <_dieter_> I would expect this.
Aug 02 11:12:16 <Tiibiidii> ok
Aug 02 11:12:26 <Tiibiidii> so maybe i'll measure the vbus
Aug 02 11:12:36 <_dieter_> And you have to really be careful to not damage more than reparing! Think about ESD and such things.
Aug 02 11:12:50 <Tiibiidii> and avoid going any further
Aug 02 11:13:18 <_dieter_> To meassure vbus I would advise to snip a cheap usb cable and seperate each wire - so you are more safe to not short some pins while meassuring.
Aug 02 11:13:45 <Tiibiidii> ok
Aug 02 11:14:03 <Tiibiidii> unfortunately i haven't any measurement device at home
Aug 02 11:14:34 <_dieter_> than it would become difficult.
Aug 02 11:14:39 <Tiibiidii> yes...
Aug 02 11:15:02 <Tiibiidii> i was thinking of asking one from the guy i was talking before
Aug 02 11:15:04 <Tiibiidii> hovewer
Aug 02 11:15:12 <Tiibiidii> i don't know...
Aug 02 11:15:24 <Tiibiidii> the globalscale support
Aug 02 11:15:32 <Tiibiidii> ...
Aug 02 11:15:33 <Tiibiidii> uhm
Aug 02 11:16:03 <Tiibiidii> i guess i won't have to wait for any courier
Aug 02 11:16:45 <Tiibiidii> and that the shipment should be paid by me
Aug 02 11:16:57 <_dieter_> so best of luck - I have to leave for a while to pick up my doughter...
Aug 02 11:16:58 <Tiibiidii> (i'm on the other side of the ocean)
Aug 02 11:17:04 <Tiibiidii> bye
Aug 02 11:17:09 <_dieter_> Tiibiidii: where do you come from?
Aug 02 11:17:11 <Tiibiidii> italy
Aug 02 11:17:29 <_dieter_> a - than we are almost neighbours - I'm from germany.
Aug 02 11:18:00 <Tiibiidii> the point is: if i want it fixed soon, i should get in contact with globalscale as soon as possible
Aug 02 11:18:13 <_dieter_> yes - in fact.
Aug 02 11:18:16 <_dieter_> bye
Aug 02 11:18:18 <Tiibiidii> your nick is german-sounding now that i look^^
Aug 02 11:18:20 <Tiibiidii> bye
Aug 02 16:20:17 <tinker-f595_> die
Aug 02 16:20:44 <tinker-f595_> dieter__: interesting problem tiibiidii is having
Aug 02 16:21:10 <_dieter_> tinker-f595_: yep - sounds like a bricked hardware I assume :(
Aug 02 16:22:13 <tinker-f595_> unless it is the kernel he is running. I am running Linux 2.6.30-rc6
Aug 02 16:23:16 <_dieter_> tinker-f595_: I wouldn't expect a kernel problem here - because no USB device which needs some vbus works on his system.
Aug 02 16:24:01 <tinker-f595_> hmmmmmmmm
Aug 02 16:24:06 <tinker-f595_> not good
Aug 02 16:25:31 <tinker-f595_> on the other hand I wonder if there is an internal plug/socket that the cable to the  usb socket on the case plugs into and the plug fell out?
Aug 02 16:25:59 <_dieter_> tinker-f595_: no - sorry. The usb connector is directly soldered to the pcb
Aug 02 16:26:03 <tinker-f595_> I have not opened my sheevaplug up so not sure on how the connectors are wired
Aug 02 16:26:10 <tinker-f595_> hmmmm bummer
Aug 02 16:26:53 <_dieter_> hopefully (at least for the rest of the sheeva plug users...) they have forgotten to solder the usb load switch or anything else...
Aug 02 16:27:06 <tinker-f595_> _dieter_: good to know...I now know that it is not safe to insert into the socket with a lot of force
Aug 02 16:27:25 <_dieter_> yep - because it shouldn't matter!
Aug 02 16:28:03 <_dieter_> There is a hardware power switch on board which is (regarding the datasheet) short curcuit safe.
Aug 02 16:28:21 <tinker-f595_> so is globalscale shipping out of a European office or will he have to ship back to USA?
Aug 02 16:28:27 <_dieter_> That's why I'm a bit curious how this could happen.
Aug 02 16:28:44 <_dieter_> tinker-f595_: do you have the same problem?
Aug 02 16:29:01 <tinker-f595_> my sheevaplug works fine
Aug 02 16:29:20 <_dieter_> because you've asked how to ship it back, I wonder :)
Aug 02 16:29:36 <tinker-f595_> mine is booting completely off an external hdd
Aug 02 16:29:52 <tinker-f595_> no I was wondering about tiibiidii
Aug 02 16:30:23 <tinker-f595_> If he ships back to USA he may have to deal with customs forms and all
Aug 02 16:30:49 <tinker-f595_> oh speak of...
Aug 02 16:30:56 <tinker-f595_> look who just joined
Aug 02 16:30:59 <_dieter_> :)
Aug 02 16:31:18 <_dieter_> hi Tiibiidii - we just talked about your problem
Aug 02 16:31:34 <Tiibiidii> uh, hi...
Aug 02 16:32:35 <tinker-f595_> _dieter_: I wasted hours and hours trying to find those spacers and screws I need for the OpenRD .  Ended up purchasing a 2.5" sata /esata enclosure as a temporary measure
Aug 02 16:32:38 <Tiibiidii> well... now there should be no doubt that the problem is the sheevaplug's usb no?
Aug 02 16:33:19 <Tiibiidii> tinker-f595_, screws?
Aug 02 16:35:36 <Tiibiidii> from the image i saw it seems the openrd has already a case... otoh, i've only seen it for the first time (in the website) yesterday
Aug 02 16:36:13 <tinker-f595_> Tiibiidii: the OpenRD has an internal notebook style sata connector both data and power and 4 mounting holes on the MB but you need a certain size spacers and screws to mount the drive so it is the correct height above the board to slip into the connector and avoid the surface mount components on the MB.  I do not think the board designers have ever tried putting  a drive on the board or considered how difficult it is to get the mounting h
Aug 02 16:36:54 <Tiibiidii> ty, now it's clear
Aug 02 16:37:02 <eFfeM-dinner> are these sata connectors different from desktop pc ones?
Aug 02 16:37:15 <tinker-f595_> yes of course they are
Aug 02 16:37:26 <Tiibiidii>  I do not think the board designers have ever tried putting  a drive on the board <-- not good :/
Aug 02 16:37:27 <eFfeM-dinner> (i might need to get a sata drive for an rd board, but assumed they were identical)
Aug 02 16:37:49 <eFfeM-dinner> i don't need it on the board, as long as it connects and works I am happy
Aug 02 16:38:25 <tinker-f595_> eFfeM-dinner: take a look at a 2.5 inch drive and then think female connector verison on the motherboard
Aug 02 16:39:18 <tinker-f595_> Well for the application I have in mind it is essential to be able to put the drive inside.  To keep the cost down
Aug 02 16:39:45 <tinker-f595_> and maintenance issues down as well
Aug 02 16:41:23 <tinker-f595_> I am going to use the external enclosure in the meantime so I can proceed with what I am doing.
Aug 02 16:43:05 <tinker-f595_> Now who do I flame?  Gobalscale or einfochip?
Aug 02 16:44:05 <tinker-f595_> They really should have put a carrier sub assembly kit in with the board
Aug 02 16:48:07 <_dieter_> tinker-f595_: you can post a message regarding the spacers to open-rd.org - the maintainer is very responsive!
Aug 02 16:48:19 <tinker-f595_> ah einfochips the designer has a blog
Aug 02 16:48:41 <tinker-f595_> _dieter_: I might do that
Aug 02 16:49:17 <tinker-f595_> open-rd.org is actually run by Marvell Corp....should be a com not an org
Aug 02 16:49:23 <_dieter_> tinker-f595_: they are working on open source u-boot and kernel, too. Beginning of this week there are first patches expected :)
Aug 02 16:49:25 <tinker-f595_> Windows 2003 server
Aug 02 16:49:51 <_dieter_> I would expect the only run it at a web hoster?
Aug 02 16:49:56 <tinker-f595_> is what open-rd.org is running on
Aug 02 16:50:10 <_dieter_> tinker-f595_: bäh :)
Aug 02 16:50:21 <tinker-f595_> the sheevaplug forum is run on linux
Aug 02 16:50:52 <tinker-f595_> I have a feeling open-rd.org is run by marvell marketing
Aug 02 16:51:14 <_dieter_> tinker-f595_: it looks like a mixture from marvell and einfochips.
Aug 02 16:51:22 <tinker-f595_> _dieter_: I am still planning to bring up openrdnews.org
Aug 02 16:51:38 <tinker-f595_> so we have a community run site
Aug 02 16:51:44 <_dieter_> tinker-f595_: yes, I know - that's why I mention open-rd
Aug 02 16:52:12 <tinker-f595_> trying to decide weather to stay with ubuntu on the sheevaplug or go to fedora 11
Aug 02 16:52:13 <_dieter_> tinker-f595_: but from my point of view it's very important to stay in contact with the marvell developers, too.
Aug 02 16:53:00 <tinker-f595_> I am going to run the site on the sheevaplug unless it gets too popular
Aug 02 16:53:54 <tinker-f595_> _dieter_: have you read the open-rd.org terms and conditions?
Aug 02 16:53:57 <tinker-f595_> ugggggg
Aug 02 16:54:54 <tinker-f595_> and I do like the fact they host the open-rd.org forum on google
Aug 02 16:56:30 <_dieter_> tinker-f595_: not completely by now I have to concede - but I think it's time do go on reading...
Aug 02 16:56:47 <tinker-f595_> huh?
Aug 02 16:57:24 <_dieter_> reading the terms and conditions...
Aug 02 16:57:49 <tinker-f595_> good idea
Aug 02 16:58:07 <tinker-f595_> I need to ask a friend of mine if he knows any of these people http://www.einfochips.com/blog/authors/
Aug 02 16:58:07 <_dieter_> yeah - you're right!
Aug 02 16:58:21 <eFfeM> tinker-f595_: thanks, guess i'd better get a 2.5" drive and cable
Aug 02 16:58:51 <tinker-f595_> eFfeM:
Aug 02 16:59:53 <eFfeM> back in a while
Aug 02 17:00:43 <tinker-f595_> take a look at the openrd schematics.pdf.   last page of it shows the spacers and screws you need ( and they forgot to specify the screw pitch). Had to look at a hard drive manual to find the pitch
Aug 02 17:01:23 <tinker-f595_> Well need to go out and find the other half.  She went out to breakfast and said she would expect me to come later
Aug 02 17:07:10 <_dieter_> So you should hurry up :)
Aug 02 17:07:31 <_dieter_> "later" isn't well defined...
Aug 02 17:10:55 <_dieter_> tinker-f595_: Do you misslike something in the terms and condiditons marvell uses for open-rd.org?
Aug 02 20:23:18 <_dieter_> tinker-f595_: do you allready started your work on your own openrd site? Please can you repost the url?
Aug 02 20:41:59 <tinker-f595_> dieter__:
Aug 02 20:42:03 <tinker-f595_> hi
Aug 02 20:45:35 <tinker-f595_> any body using fedora 11 on the plug?
Aug 03 01:47:36 <f3ar007> does anyone have information on installing printers (hp deskjet series) on the sheeva?
Aug 03 02:21:45 <tinker-f595> f3ar007: CUPS is the answer
Aug 03 02:21:53 <tinker-f595> I would think
Aug 03 02:30:12 <tinker-f595> http://www.cups.org/
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