**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 04 02:59:57 2009
Aug 04 08:31:53 <py_> hello!
Aug 04 08:32:19 <py_> I got my sheevaplug yesterday, and I'm just trying it
Aug 04 08:33:15 <py_> Is the thing supposed to turn on and start up right away when plugged in the power outlet?
Aug 04 08:33:40 <py_> mine doesn't... no leds lit, nothing. Is it defective?
Aug 04 08:34:59 <py_> oh, that's just the supplied cable that is defective!
Aug 04 08:39:21 <Q_Continuum> YAY MINE IS SHIPPING
Aug 04 08:39:40 <Q_Continuum> Ordered June 19th, Shipped via FedEx Ground Service|12.68|0.00 on 8/3/2009 1:19:04 PM Tracking Number: Pending From FedEx ShipManager
Aug 04 08:41:29 <py_> ordered mine June 6th, got it yesterday ;-)
Aug 04 08:50:10 <Q_Continuum> I hope it arrives before the weekend.  I'll be up on vacation all next week, would have some time to putz with it :-D
Aug 04 09:15:36 <ukki> lucky sobs
Aug 04 09:36:08 <Q_Continuum> ukki: Because we have ours, or have them on the way?
Aug 04 09:36:56 <ukki> yes
Aug 04 09:37:02 <ukki> but i have no right to whine yet
Aug 04 09:37:04 <Q_Continuum> py_: What version of the uboot tools were installed on yours?  Did you have to update to boot from SD?  (I'm curious if they're bringing devices up-to-date before shipping them out, or every batch gets the same original software)
Aug 04 09:37:09 <ukki> it's only been 2 weeks
Aug 04 09:38:10 <Q_Continuum> I also cannot wait for the Touch Book to start shipping.  I want one of those as well.
Aug 04 09:40:18 <py_> Q_Continuum: did not have a chance to look any deeper inside yet, am at work
Aug 04 09:41:01 <Q_Continuum> Ok
Aug 04 09:41:17 <Q_Continuum> Am curious when you do get the time :-D
Aug 04 09:41:28 <Q_Continuum> It'd be awesome if they are updating their base image as things improve
Aug 04 09:41:37 <py_> Q_Continuum, maybe this afternoon
Aug 04 09:49:39 <ukki> is it possible to use scratchbox for development? know any good howtos on setting it up?
Aug 04 09:49:49 <ukki> i could start before the device arrives
Aug 04 09:58:29 <Q_Continuum> I have no idea.
Aug 04 09:58:36 <Q_Continuum> I haven't even looked at environments etc
Aug 04 09:58:52 <Q_Continuum> I do need to make sure I have an SDHC card, and a spare Flash drive though...
Aug 04 09:59:09 <Q_Continuum> Hmmm, how big do I want both of those to be?
Aug 04 10:04:24 <ukki> sdhc 16 gb
Aug 04 10:39:58 <e`> 2gb feels pretty roomy to me with debian
Aug 04 10:42:11 <e`> and compression helps a lot with the builtin flash
Aug 04 10:42:14 <e`> root@gulp:/mnt/ubi# du -sh /mnt/ubi; df -h /mnt/ubi
Aug 04 10:42:14 <e`> 377M    /mnt/ubi
Aug 04 10:42:14 <e`> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
Aug 04 10:42:14 <e`> ubi0:rootfs           448M  186M  263M  42% /mnt/ubi
Aug 04 15:14:44 <py_> Q_Continuum, are you still there?
Aug 04 15:15:58 <py_> Q_Continuum, this is what I have: U-Boot 1.1.4 (Mar 19 2009 - 16:06:59) Marvell version: 3.4.16
Aug 04 15:16:43 <py_> (My Sheevaplug is from the batch received from production by globalscale on 29th july, received by me yesterday)
Aug 04 15:18:58 <tinker-f595_> py_: that seems like the original version
Aug 04 15:19:41 <py_> tinker-f595_, ok, interesting to know, so they don't seem to update their base image very often
Aug 04 15:19:49 <tinker-f595_> it would not make sense to keep updating the firm that is shipped on the plug because it is meant for prototyping and most people would be changing it to something else.
Aug 04 15:20:03 <tinker-f595_> s/firm/frimware/
Aug 04 15:20:29 <py_> tinker-f595_, yeah I agree
Aug 04 15:21:19 <tinker-f595_> py_: for example I have set mine up to load uIamge and the rootfs both from an external HDD
Aug 04 15:21:46 <tinker-f595_> and am currently thinking of building Fedora 11 for it.
Aug 04 15:22:18 <py_> in my case it'll be lenny on a rs-mmc first
Aug 04 15:22:48 <py_> (that SD card sticking half way out of the thing is unfortunate)
Aug 04 15:48:01 <tinker-f595_> you can still get mmc?
Aug 04 15:49:19 <Q_Continuum> I am here now.
Aug 04 15:49:23 <Q_Continuum> Took a nap.
Aug 04 15:49:30 <py_> just checked, no problem, but it only goes up to 2G, which is no problem for me
Aug 04 15:50:00 <py_> ...and it's time for me to go back home, later guys
Aug 04 15:50:07 <Q_Continuum> Well it would make sense for them to put out a WORKING base image - and theirs has a few bugs.
Aug 04 15:50:28 <Q_Continuum> So you'd think they'd get to a stable working baseline and stick with that.
Aug 04 16:00:11 <tinker-f595_> why if people are going to change it anyway?
Aug 04 16:00:27 <tinker-f595_> it is designed as a prototype system
Aug 04 16:01:20 <tinker-f595_> It is so simple and quick to update
Aug 04 16:08:08 <Q_Continuum> Because if I were selling a prototype system - I'd want it in a working state out-of-the-box
Aug 04 16:08:58 <Q_Continuum> Update Uboot, and like two or three fixes to the system, and it'd be perfect.
Aug 04 16:09:59 <tinker-f595_> I guess you do not understand the purpose of a prototyping system
Aug 04 16:10:14 <tinker-f595_> by the way mine worked out of the box...
Aug 04 16:10:18 <Q_Continuum> No, I do.  But you keep improving it, until it's a perfectly working system.
Aug 04 16:10:52 <Q_Continuum> OH yeah, they do work out-of-the-box, but I was planning on not maintaining the base system - I just wanted it stable as a backup system.
Aug 04 16:12:10 <tinker-f595_> that last statement does not make sense...I think you are just being argumentative.
Aug 04 16:16:16 <Q_Continuum> Would you want to ship a prototype half-built?
Aug 04 16:16:25 <Q_Continuum> errr system used for building prototypes?
Aug 04 16:16:27 <Q_Continuum> I wouldn't.
Aug 04 16:16:46 * Q_Continuum shrugs
Aug 04 16:16:53 <Q_Continuum> It's not difficult to bring up to date.
Aug 04 16:16:54 <tinker-f595_> it is not half built.
Aug 04 16:17:26 <tinker-f595_> Other people would complain if it was built the way you want it.
Aug 04 16:18:15 <tinker-f595_> well been fun but need to get to work.
Aug 04 16:18:32 <Q_Continuum> So other people would complain about fixing these issues? http://plugcomputer.org/plugwiki/index.php/New_Plugger_How_To
Aug 04 16:18:46 <Q_Continuum> All I'm saying is they fix the issues with the base system at some point.
Aug 04 16:25:27 <Chunky_Ks> Heya all. I don't suppose anyone around might have any suggestions as to what's wrong with my code [for the plug] here: http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=84.15
Aug 04 16:49:40 <tinker-f595_> Q_Continuum: Maybe you need to read this thread http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=355.0
Aug 04 16:50:24 <tinker-f595_> Stop saying there are issues and then not enumerate what you think are issues
Aug 04 16:50:42 <tinker-f595_> need to go will look at this thread tonight
Aug 04 17:03:05 <Q_Continuum> I pointed to the wiki documenting issues.  They're far from show-stoppers.
Aug 04 17:03:33 <Q_Continuum> But yes, there is an updated installer that they've been testing for 2 months.
Aug 04 17:08:38 <Q_Continuum> I am JUST SAYING it'd be NICE if they pushed the updated install base on the system.
Aug 04 17:08:42 <Q_Continuum> I'm not saying they have to.
Aug 04 17:27:29 <MarkG2> Anyone tried stripping binaries to save flash space?
Aug 04 17:27:54 <MarkG2> I only just heard about this, never knew it existed, seems a good way to retain flash space...
Aug 04 18:16:44 <christoph_debian> so the only way around the bad magic number / not liking the USB device is trying other hardware? I have 2 partitioned examples here that failed
Aug 05 02:19:38 <debio264> where can I find a modern uImage for the Sheevaplug?
Aug 05 02:20:02 <tinker-f595_> modern?
Aug 05 02:20:09 <debio264> the one I compiled won't boot because the kirkwood_defconfig for kernel 2.6.30.4 doesn't appear to include jffs2 support
Aug 05 02:20:24 <debio264> modern as in 2.6.30 range
Aug 05 02:20:24 <tinker-f595_> by definition any would be modern
Aug 05 02:20:28 <debio264> yea
Aug 05 02:20:37 <debio264> modern as in not the original uImage
Aug 05 02:20:49 <tinker-f595_> very strange English usage
Aug 05 02:20:50 <debio264> sorry, I wasn't really specific there
Aug 05 02:20:58 <tinker-f595_> I think you mean a recent build
Aug 05 02:21:11 <debio264> yes
Aug 05 02:21:23 <tinker-f595_> look at the forum
Aug 05 02:21:34 <tinker-f595_> if you wait I will find the link
Aug 05 02:22:09 <tinker-f595_> by the way why do you want jffs support?  ubifs is far superior
Aug 05 02:23:00 <debio264> I haven't really changed the rootfs yet
Aug 05 02:23:50 <debio264> hrmmmm
Aug 05 02:24:00 <debio264> I'm not sure how I should procede from here
Aug 05 02:24:13 <tinker-f595_> http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=549.0
Aug 05 02:24:17 <debio264> the uImage that's currently in flash won't boot because it can't find the root filesystem
Aug 05 02:24:22 <debio264> so I'll have to boot it from TFTP
Aug 05 02:24:58 <tinker-f595_> did you build the uImage or is it prebuilt?
Aug 05 02:25:02 <debio264> I built it
Aug 05 02:25:18 <tinker-f595_> and how did you place it on the sheevaplug?
Aug 05 02:25:21 <debio264> I used the standard kirkwood_defconfig with no modifications
Aug 05 02:25:32 <debio264> well, I built it on the Sheevaplug
Aug 05 02:25:42 <debio264> and then used the standard nand_eraseall
Aug 05 02:25:51 <debio264> and whatever the other command was
Aug 05 02:25:53 <debio264> one moment
Aug 05 02:26:01 <tinker-f595_> so does it have a different name from the previous uimage on the plug?
Aug 05 02:26:10 <tinker-f595_> hmmm
Aug 05 02:26:42 <tinker-f595_> if you used nand_eraseall then there should be nothing there
Aug 05 02:26:46 <debio264> yea
Aug 05 02:27:00 <debio264> then I used another command to write the new uImage in
Aug 05 02:27:08 <debio264> I just don't remember what it was
Aug 05 02:27:15 <debio264> the new kernel is definitely trying to boot
Aug 05 02:27:23 <debio264> it's just not finding the root filesystem
Aug 05 02:27:33 <tinker-f595_> and did nand_eraseall erase the root file system?
Aug 05 02:27:39 <debio264> no
Aug 05 02:27:45 <debio264> they're in separate partitions in the flash memory
Aug 05 02:27:59 <debio264> mtd0 was the kernel and mtd1 was the rootfs
Aug 05 02:28:10 <debio264> UBoot didn't show up within Linux
Aug 05 02:28:14 <debio264> I'm not sure why that is
Aug 05 02:28:37 <tinker-f595_> uboot is run before linux
Aug 05 02:28:53 <tinker-f595_> use the serial terminal to get into uboot
Aug 05 02:31:05 <debio264> I know
Aug 05 02:31:17 <debio264> but there's a NAND flash partition that stores U-boot
Aug 05 02:31:28 <debio264> and for some reason it didn't appear inside Linux
Aug 05 02:32:55 <tinker-f595_> does your bios on your desktop system appear in linux?
Aug 05 02:33:21 <tinker-f595_> debio264: how long have you had your sheevaplug?
Aug 05 02:34:29 <debio264> sorry
Aug 05 02:34:39 <debio264> I'm progressively eating dinner
Aug 05 02:34:49 <debio264> I got it yesterday
Aug 05 02:34:53 <tinker-f595_> oh I am about to do that as well
Aug 05 02:34:58 <debio264> and I already managed to render it unbootable XD
Aug 05 02:35:05 <tinker-f595_> ok your a newby...no problem
Aug 05 02:35:12 <tinker-f595_> no it is bootable
Aug 05 02:35:16 <tinker-f595_> see http://www.plugcomputer.org/plugwiki/index.php/SheevaPlug_Installer
Aug 05 02:35:21 <debio264> I'm not a newby to embedded development
Aug 05 02:35:36 <debio264> U-Boot is installed to a partition on the NAND flash
Aug 05 02:35:45 <debio264> it has to be there for it to be upgradable
Aug 05 02:35:50 <debio264> it has to be in rewritable flash memory
Aug 05 02:36:11 <tinker-f595_> and see this http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=355.0
Aug 05 02:36:22 <debio264> and the Ubuntu kernel/rootfs installation guide for the Sheevaplug specifcally warns that you can erase U-Boot if you're not careful
Aug 05 02:36:24 <tinker-f595_> read the wiki pages first
Aug 05 02:36:38 <tinker-f595_> so that is not going to cause problems
Aug 05 02:36:46 <debio264> yea
Aug 05 02:36:50 <debio264> U-boot is fine
Aug 05 02:37:02 <tinker-f595_> as it has a serial terminal so you can always load stuff onto it
Aug 05 02:37:02 <debio264> I'm just curious as to why the partition didn't show up
Aug 05 02:37:07 <debio264> but it doesn't really matter
Aug 05 02:37:09 <debio264> yea
Aug 05 02:37:39 <debio264> I guess I'll boot from a uImage on a flash drive
Aug 05 02:37:40 <tinker-f595_> debio264: I will leave that as an exercise for you to learn why
Aug 05 02:37:47 <debio264> okay
Aug 05 02:38:08 <tinker-f595_> you should read before you do anything.
Aug 05 02:38:20 <debio264> I have been reading
Aug 05 02:38:23 <tinker-f595_> look at the wiki pages and read what is on the cd
Aug 05 02:38:33 <debio264> I'm about to try to find the best way to switch to ubifs
Aug 05 02:39:23 <tinker-f595_> and look here http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?board=1.0 at the first 4 subjects that are pinned
Aug 05 02:39:30 <debio264> the thing that I find frustrating about the Wiki and the Forums
Aug 05 02:39:46 <debio264> is that they're just not geared toward users that have previously used Linux
Aug 05 02:39:52 <debio264> but oh well
Aug 05 02:39:56 <tinker-f595_> if you use the installer I gave you the reference to it will put an image with ubifs on the plug
Aug 05 02:39:57 <debio264> I'm just a whiner, I guess
Aug 05 02:40:03 <debio264> okay
Aug 05 02:40:18 <tinker-f595_> so which time zone are you in ?
Aug 05 02:44:49 <debio264> sorry, done eating now
Aug 05 02:44:50 <debio264> CST
Aug 05 02:49:15 <tinker-f595_> oh I am in PST
Aug 05 02:49:22 <debio264> ah
Aug 05 02:49:26 <debio264> I'm in Texas
Aug 05 02:49:40 <tinker-f595_> hey we all have our problems ;)
Aug 05 02:49:52 <debio264> heh
Aug 05 02:50:10 <debio264> well, at least we don't have economic problems here
Aug 05 02:51:07 <tinker-f595_> we don't have me here except the moronic governor does not understand that you need taxes to pay for highways and schools
Aug 05 02:51:49 <debio264> oops
Aug 05 02:51:59 <debio264> well, the president doesn't seem to understand that concept either
Aug 05 02:52:03 <debio264> but that's a different problem
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