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Aug 16 03:06:01 <Q_Continuum> EVERYBODY RUN!
Aug 16 03:06:15 <Q_Continuum> I've given up on putzing with my Plug while I'm up here
Aug 16 03:06:32 <Q_Continuum> Although I suppose I could do an install to the 16GB SDHC card I bought...
Aug 16 03:06:38 <Q_Continuum> But I have no net connection to update it on.
Aug 16 03:07:02 <Q_Continuum> Is a Class 6 SDHC card fast enough for an OS drive?
Aug 16 03:07:10 <Q_Continuum> (6MB/sec write speed, per spec)
Aug 16 03:07:24 <tinker-f595> Clas s6 is the fastest SDHC
Aug 16 03:09:02 <tinker-f595> http://www.sdcard.org/developers/tech/sdhc/
Aug 16 03:09:23 <tinker-f595> Q_Continuum: what are you attempting to do?
Aug 16 03:09:43 <Q_Continuum> http://www.plugcomputer.org/plugwiki/index.php/User:Qlaras#Initial_SheevaPlug_purpose:
Aug 16 03:09:47 <Q_Continuum> http://www.plugcomputer.org/plugwiki/index.php/User:Qlaras
Aug 16 03:10:13 <Q_Continuum> OS on the SD card, everything else will be on a secondary HD in a USB enclosure.
Aug 16 03:10:50 <tinker-f595> why OS on the card?
Aug 16 03:11:01 <tinker-f595> why not on a HD?
Aug 16 03:11:05 * Q_Continuum shrugs
Aug 16 03:11:12 <Q_Continuum> I hadn't really thought about it
Aug 16 03:11:28 * SDuensin has.  Rosie can boot her software off anything.  :-)
Aug 16 03:11:40 <tinker-f595> I run mine off of a hard drive in a USB enclosure
Aug 16 03:11:41 <Q_Continuum> if it's on a SD card, or USB Flash drive...I can set UBoot up to grab that every time, and swap cards/drives if I want to test something else.
Aug 16 03:11:52 <Q_Continuum> That was my thinking.
Aug 16 03:11:55 <Q_Continuum> I'm far from set in stone.
Aug 16 03:12:10 <Q_Continuum> Plus I can image my whole OS drive easily
Aug 16 03:12:23 <tinker-f595> well all you have to do is put a boot partition on your drive
Aug 16 03:12:45 <tinker-f595> easy to image a hdd
Aug 16 03:12:55 <tinker-f595> dd takes no time at all
Aug 16 03:13:22 <tinker-f595> any way a class 6 is fine
Aug 16 03:48:07 <debio264> tinker-f595: I did notice one really crappy thing about Globalscale
Aug 16 03:48:23 <debio264> the warranty on my Sheevaplug expired before it arrived
Aug 16 03:48:35 <SDuensin> Is OpenRD or whatever shipping?
Aug 16 03:48:44 <SDuensin> debio264 - I think you could argue that if need be.
Aug 16 03:48:45 <debio264> because it's 30 days starting on the day of purchase XD
Aug 16 03:48:51 <tinker-f595> Got my OpenRD a while ago
Aug 16 03:48:58 <debio264> yea, if it was DOA, they would replace it
Aug 16 03:49:07 <debio264> they don't want me to go around whining
Aug 16 03:49:12 <debio264> but I just thought that was funny
Aug 16 03:49:17 <SDuensin> tinker-f595 - How's the video?
Aug 16 03:49:32 <tinker-f595> I think technically purchase would be when it is delivered to you
Aug 16 03:50:15 <tinker-f595> purchase contract is not completed until you receive it
Aug 16 03:50:26 <tinker-f595> that is my understanding of the law
Aug 16 03:50:40 <debio264> well, fortunately it really doesn't matter for me
Aug 16 03:50:55 <debio264> my plug works and life is good
Aug 16 03:51:17 <DDevine> Well the former anyway, lol
Aug 16 03:51:35 <tinker-f595> what video?
Aug 16 03:51:47 * SDuensin is thinking of getting an OpenRD to speed up Rosie compiles.
Aug 16 03:52:08 <tinker-f595> oh OpenRD video .... eat ing dinner
Aug 16 03:53:32 <tinker-f595> haven't played with video much...used it headless. just plugged it in for a few moments to make sure the video worked
Aug 16 03:54:27 <tinker-f595> waiting for the patches to go upstream before I do anything major with it.  Then I will pput fed 11 build on it
Aug 16 03:55:29 <SDuensin> Hehe - it'd be cool to get an OpenRD-Base and mount it in the same case as my x86 compiler box.  :-)
Aug 16 03:55:48 <tinker-f595> oh and over heat the OpenRD !
Aug 16 03:55:54 <DDevine> Yeah I have throught of doing that.
Aug 16 03:55:56 <SDuensin> I got a fan!  :-P
Aug 16 03:56:02 <DDevine> You can power it from the case.
Aug 16 03:56:06 <SDuensin> It'd be like the PS2 TOOL dev kit.
Aug 16 03:56:36 <tinker-f595> runs freaky quiet
Aug 16 03:56:42 <SDuensin> (Both a PS2 debug board and a Linux machine in one box.)
Aug 16 03:57:00 <tinker-f595> OpenRD Client has a ton of I/O
Aug 16 03:57:23 <SDuensin> WTF is an SMBus?
Aug 16 03:58:03 <tinker-f595> system management bus
Aug 16 03:58:38 <SDuensin> As slow as this ARM emulator is (it's been unpacking Perl for over an hour), I'm going to have to dedicate one of my plugs to do my ARM builds.  I can't wait this long.
Aug 16 03:58:48 <tinker-f595> haha
Aug 16 03:59:14 <SDuensin> Shame though.  It's really slick the way I have it set up with QEMU.
Aug 16 04:01:22 <SDuensin> I'll just duct tape the plug inside the case.  Pretend it's a co-processor.
Aug 16 04:01:27 <tinker-f595> SDuensin: I put this wiki page together... http://www.openplug.org/plugwiki/index.php/External_Hard_Drives keep meaning to announce it in the forum
Aug 16 04:02:28 * SDuensin wishes someone would announce Rosie.  Everywhere.  :-)
Aug 16 04:03:59 <tinker-f595> Rosie oh Rosie where art thee
Aug 16 04:04:09 <SDuensin> In thy basement in a box.
Aug 16 04:04:14 <tinker-f595> haha
Aug 16 04:04:45 <SDuensin> I managed to get a box of "beta" units so I could see what the final color and such would be like before I order a gazillion of them.
Aug 16 04:04:59 <tinker-f595> so I wonder how many fit in a 20 foot container?
Aug 16 04:05:10 <SDuensin> I wonder, too.  :-P
Aug 16 04:05:21 <Q_Continuum> SDuensin: how many plugs do you have...?
Aug 16 04:05:32 <tinker-f595> oh no quote on that yet
Aug 16 04:05:53 <tinker-f595> I would like to see Marvell add a VFP to the kirkwood
Aug 16 04:06:03 <SDuensin> Uh.  One Sheeva, one Pogo (never plugged in), and five Rosies.
Aug 16 04:06:10 <Q_Continuum> tinker-f595: Figure out how to wire them together, and build a little frame to hold it...measure that size...and we'll see.
Aug 16 04:06:22 <tinker-f595> huh
Aug 16 04:06:24 <Q_Continuum> SDuensin: Rosie your build, or someone else's variant on the Sheeva?
Aug 16 04:06:29 <SDuensin> Mine.
Aug 16 04:06:34 <SDuensin> www.getrosie.com
Aug 16 04:06:35 <tinker-f595> I am talking 20 foot shipping container
Aug 16 04:06:54 <SDuensin> tinker-f595 - If I have to ship them to my garage, I'll let you know.  :-)
Aug 16 04:07:03 <Q_Continuum> tinker-f595: exactly.  You figure out a rack to power them, and how to mount them...tell me how big that rack is, and how many plugs fit...I'll do the math to fit it in the container.
Aug 16 04:07:24 <tinker-f595> geee you should move to a warmer climate if you working out of your garage
Aug 16 04:07:35 <SDuensin> hehe
Aug 16 04:07:42 <SDuensin> My wife lets me work inside the house.  :-)
Aug 16 04:07:54 <Q_Continuum> SDuensin: So you using the stock Sheevas, or are you going to have these built for you?
Aug 16 04:08:02 <tinker-f595> SDuensin: sure she does ...that is just an illusion
Aug 16 04:08:12 <SDuensin> Built for me.  Few tweaks.
Aug 16 04:08:18 <Q_Continuum> Such as?
Aug 16 04:08:42 * Q_Continuum could be interested in ordering some as bare hardware, presuming the tweaks work same as base Plug
Aug 16 04:09:13 <SDuensin> Well, originally I was going to change the RAM configuration.  Decided against it.  New case color.  I'm removing the JTAG board and SD slot, but it will still do homebrew...
Aug 16 04:09:22 <Q_Continuum> :-(
Aug 16 04:09:36 <Q_Continuum> Remove JTAG board? SD Slot?  That save any $$$?
Aug 16 04:09:39 <SDuensin> Basically, we use the internal flash as little as possible.  Don't want to burn it out.  Also don't want to be limited to 512M of storage.
Aug 16 04:09:44 <SDuensin> A bit.
Aug 16 04:10:07 <SDuensin> I've read of people hacking the Pogo, but those guys also removed RAM and flash.
Aug 16 04:10:16 <tinker-f595> same case form factor?
Aug 16 04:10:24 <Q_Continuum> Agreed, I updated the base Flash to alpha-6 so I had a decent base image to fall back on should my installs go south on external
Aug 16 04:10:42 <Q_Continuum> But I would trade Flash space for RAM.
Aug 16 04:10:44 <Q_Continuum> Heh
Aug 16 04:10:54 <Q_Continuum> (Just so I could cache more)
Aug 16 04:11:04 <Q_Continuum> cache more/bigger RAMdisk
Aug 16 04:11:06 <SDuensin> Me too.  Not happening.  :-(
Aug 16 04:11:10 <Q_Continuum> Yeah :-(
Aug 16 04:11:17 <SDuensin> tinker-f595 - Yes, same case.  But in sexy "iPhone Black".
Aug 16 04:11:28 <tinker-f595> I am waiting for someone to come up with a ram piggyback
Aug 16 04:11:41 <tinker-f595> hate the iPhone
Aug 16 04:11:41 <Q_Continuum> That would be...difficult
Aug 16 04:11:47 <SDuensin> Rosie supports swap, if we should need it.
Aug 16 04:11:54 <SDuensin> tinker-f595 - Ok, then sexy "glossy black".
Aug 16 04:11:56 <tinker-f595> Q_Continuum: explain
Aug 16 04:12:12 <Q_Continuum> tinker-f595: Tapping into the onboard connectors, or as a seperate device add-on?
Aug 16 04:12:25 <tinker-f595> as a clip on top of the existing ram
Aug 16 04:12:33 <Q_Continuum> Are there any pins to connect to?
Aug 16 04:12:34 <tinker-f595> used to be done with other systems
Aug 16 04:12:37 <Q_Continuum> Can the case handle the heat?
Aug 16 04:12:46 <Q_Continuum> tinker-f595: Design it, I'll order a 1.5GB kit!
Aug 16 04:13:04 <tinker-f595> hey a dremel can create new vents in no time at all
Aug 16 04:13:06 <Q_Continuum> (Marvell specs list 2GB as system capacity limit)
Aug 16 04:13:48 <tinker-f595> Q_Continuum: that would mean me buying another one to send to a retired MB designer I know,  He could probably do it
Aug 16 04:14:00 <Q_Continuum> You should.
Aug 16 04:14:15 <Q_Continuum> I would buy a kit, as would many others :-D
Aug 16 04:14:18 <tinker-f595> 2 GB is more than enough
Aug 16 04:14:23 <SDuensin> If you have the bucks, Globalscale will put the RAM in there.  Like I said last night, it's not cheap.
Aug 16 04:14:26 <Q_Continuum> I'll bet SDuensin would just for his compiling box.
Aug 16 04:14:40 <tinker-f595> Hmm it would be an odd partnership...we argue all the time in chat
Aug 16 04:15:07 <Q_Continuum> (Also, SDuensin you should just make one of the Rosies your compile box, it WILL go faster)
Aug 16 04:15:46 <SDuensin> I'm going to, Q_Continuum.  Make my Sheeva boot via TFTP/NFS to my dev box and SSH instructions to it.
Aug 16 04:15:50 <tinker-f595> SDuensin: did you look at the link I posted...it has the magic sauce for booting off a hard drive
Aug 16 04:16:11 <SDuensin> I have "magic-er" sauce in Rosie.  :-)
Aug 16 04:16:20 <Q_Continuum> So SDuensin, besides I/O any guts change for Rosie?
Aug 16 04:16:22 <tinker-f595> haha
Aug 16 04:16:28 <Q_Continuum> I/O and case color, I should say?
Aug 16 04:16:41 <SDuensin> Just the brains to make her usable by our parents.  :-)
Aug 16 04:16:45 <tinker-f595> He is asleep so I'll ask him another time
Aug 16 04:17:03 <tinker-f595> I already gave him the gerber files and the kirkwood specs
Aug 16 04:18:07 <Q_Continuum> SDuensin: You're not helping, maybe I wanted to order one of your Rosies because it's better than my Sheeva :-P
Aug 16 04:18:33 <tinker-f595> haha
Aug 16 04:18:48 <tinker-f595> SDuensin: you need to improve your sales rap
Aug 16 04:18:53 <SDuensin> Well, it's not worse, and my availability may be better once I get inventory.  Oh, did I mention it's sexy black?
Aug 16 04:19:01 <Q_Continuum> Mmmm Sexy Black.
Aug 16 04:19:04 <SDuensin> tinker-f595 - That's obvious!  I'm a HORRIBLE salesperson.
Aug 16 04:19:06 <tinker-f595> ha
Aug 16 04:19:29 <Q_Continuum> MOAR CPU and MOAR RAM and I'd order right naow :-P (Yes, I know it would cost more than $99)
Aug 16 04:19:49 <SDuensin> Considerably more.
Aug 16 04:20:05 <tinker-f595> SDuensin: so what sort of dance did you have to go through to establish a business relationship?
Aug 16 04:20:39 <Q_Continuum> tinker-f595: Offer money and/or blow jobs, probably.
Aug 16 04:20:41 <Q_Continuum> :-P
Aug 16 04:20:42 <SDuensin> Just Emailed them and told them what I was up to.  I had most of the Rosie software running by then.  Heck, I had most of it running before the plug got here.  :-)
Aug 16 04:21:20 <tinker-f595> so they did not financial references and a letter of credit etc?
Aug 16 04:21:40 <SDuensin> Nope.  They're easier than that.  They like cash.  :-D
Aug 16 04:21:43 <Q_Continuum> I'm guessing so long as the check cleared they didn't care :-P
Aug 16 04:21:58 <Q_Continuum> It's not like they're using incredibly high-tech stuff
Aug 16 04:22:12 <Q_Continuum> it's just an ARM, some RAM, some Flash, and a few I/O ports.
Aug 16 04:22:38 <SDuensin> Yep.  Rosie's value is what I'm adding software-wise.  What I list on the web site is just the beginning.
Aug 16 04:22:45 <tinker-f595> Q_Continuum: most hardware businesses want some sort of references if you are ordering quantity
Aug 16 04:23:36 <tinker-f595> I have some ideas....for product with another device
Aug 16 04:24:21 <tinker-f595> Now if the kirkwood had a VFP the demand for these would be so high they would have to find a second fab
Aug 16 04:24:35 <SDuensin> No kidding.
Aug 16 04:26:00 <tinker-f595> they also are supposed to be releasing a develoment kit for their  multi-core processor later in the year
Aug 16 04:26:39 <SDuensin> I wish the OpenRD was cheaper.  I have a use for it, but in a case it's more expensive than a bare-bones x86.
Aug 16 04:28:04 <tinker-f595> well I think the price on the OpenRD will come down
Aug 16 04:28:21 <tinker-f595> http://www.marvell.com/products/embedded_processors/discovery_innovation/index.jsp
Aug 16 04:30:10 <tinker-f595> MV78200 looks interesting 2 cores 4 ethernet ports, 2 sata ports
Aug 16 04:35:15 <SDuensin> Hmm.  I built a service on Amazon's EC2 and now have no idea how to get it back to a local box.
Aug 16 04:35:33 <SDuensin> This may be a challenge for tomorrow.   :-)
Aug 16 04:38:14 <tinker-f595> ha
Aug 16 04:38:56 <SDuensin> I want to drag it back here, finish development under VMware, then push it back up.  That doesn't sound unreasonable, does it?
Aug 16 04:39:26 <tinker-f595> nope
Aug 16 04:40:38 <tinker-f595> I was going to download a kernel from http://ftp.linux.org.uk/pub/linux/arm/fedora/platforms/sheevaplug/uImage-2.6.30-sheevaplug but it is not reachable.
Aug 16 04:40:52 <tinker-f595> Guess I'll have to look tomorrow
Aug 16 18:26:41 <linux_manju> Hi All
Aug 16 18:27:12 <linux_manju> I am getting  Image 2619032 bytes, NAND page 2048 bytes, OOB area 2048 bytes, device size 2097152 bytes
Aug 16 18:27:31 <linux_manju> Error when I try to flash a new kernel on to mtd1
Aug 16 18:27:42 <linux_manju> is there anyway to increase the size ?
Aug 16 18:27:52 <linux_manju> size of mtd1
Aug 16 19:56:53 <rektide> this openrd linux image is all kinds of foobared
Aug 16 19:56:59 <rektide> i have an eth0
Aug 16 19:57:21 <rektide> but i dont have a egiga0, which i infer is supposed to exist as the ethernet device ?
Aug 16 19:57:38 <rektide> what is the ethernet port on the plug ?
Aug 16 20:02:00 <tinker-f595> rektide: are you trying to  get info about the OpenRD Base or OpenRd Client or the SheevaPlug?  Which is it?
Aug 16 20:03:54 <rektide> my issue is with OpenRD Base, but I'm looking for information on how SheevaPlug handles ethernet for reference
Aug 16 20:04:14 <tinker-f595> same way any linux does
Aug 16 20:05:10 <tinker-f595> My OpenRD Client has eth0 and eth1 as it has both devices active.
Aug 16 20:05:47 <tinker-f595> what happens when you type ifconfig ?
Aug 16 20:11:38 <rektide> it shows an eth0 device
Aug 16 20:11:43 <rektide> and a lo device
Aug 16 20:11:59 <tinker-f595> well that is correct
Aug 16 20:12:39 <rektide> i just wasnt sure whether that was the ethernet port on the openrd unit, or wether it was perhaps something else... just an example, not applicable here, but firewire & other things can show up
Aug 16 20:13:04 <tinker-f595> firewire is something different
Aug 16 20:13:27 <tinker-f595> rektide: seems like your not that familiar with networking and linux.
Aug 16 20:13:46 <rektide> untrue, and i said firewire was a non applicable example
Aug 16 20:14:03 <rektide> ah i forgot dmesg said the marvell ethernet is eth0
Aug 16 20:14:04 <tinker-f595> so wy even bring it up
Aug 16 20:14:23 <rektide> well, my ethernet isnt working, and i wanted to make sure eth0 was indeed the marvell ethernet device
Aug 16 20:14:53 <rektide> openrd has configuration for an egiga0 device
Aug 16 20:15:11 <rektide> and that, specifically, made me wonder if the kernel wasnt actually seeing the ethernet device
Aug 16 20:16:53 <tinker-f595> I think you are getting confused about what things are named at different layers....physical versus app etc
Aug 16 20:17:32 <tinker-f595> any way works fine on my OpenRD Client
Aug 16 20:17:51 <tinker-f595> you probably want to change the default ip address or turn on dhcp
Aug 16 20:18:03 <tinker-f595> need to get going now...
Aug 16 20:18:06 <rektide> i've tried both static and dhcp. :(
Aug 16 20:18:21 <rektide> it worked with the Fedora 2.6.22.18 image?
Aug 16 20:18:26 <tinker-f595> can you ping localhost?
Aug 16 20:18:31 <rektide> yes, localhost pings.
Aug 16 20:19:18 <tinker-f595> netstat?
Aug 16 20:20:34 <rektide> i've only used netstat to list connections
Aug 16 20:21:10 <rektide> what other diagnosiese would you recommend trying with netstat ?
Aug 16 20:21:15 <tinker-f595> ajsut want to see if it lists anything
Aug 16 20:21:36 <rektide> yeah, avahi & samba & sshd are all up and bound to 0.0.0.0
Aug 16 20:21:59 <tinker-f595> hmmm
Aug 16 20:22:49 <tinker-f595> the only other person I know with an OpenRD is not online and I have to go out....
Aug 16 20:23:06 <tinker-f595> which kernel you using?
Aug 16 20:23:41 <tinker-f595> looked at open-rd.org forum?
Aug 16 20:24:00 <tinker-f595> really need to go ....
Aug 16 20:24:35 <tinker-f595> and your host file is okay?
Aug 16 20:25:08 <ShadowJK> under linux ethernet devices always show up as ethX, where X is a number
Aug 16 20:25:14 <tinker-f595> correct
Aug 16 20:25:26 <tinker-f595> ShadowJK: can you take over as I need to go out
Aug 16 20:25:44 <tinker-f595> I think he has some config file messed up
Aug 16 20:25:49 <tinker-f595> or a bad cable
Aug 16 21:23:16 <christoph_debian> hm setenv + saveenv + reset should boot the plug with the new environment?
Aug 16 21:23:31 <christoph_debian> (it did not for me just now)
Aug 16 21:36:15 <dattaway> now if I can read/write the uboot configuration settings from a bash shell without having to boot into uboot...
Aug 16 21:44:12 <Md> dattaway: the appropriate program does not support yet the sheevaplug, feel free to fix it
Aug 16 22:55:37 <Md> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/merke/lemonparty.jpg
Aug 16 22:55:42 <Md> oops, wrong channel
Aug 17 00:19:59 <rektide> if i'm using a mainline kernel, i know i have to 'setenv mainlineLinux yes \ setenv arcNumber 2097'...
Aug 17 00:20:09 <rektide> do i also have to saveenv/reset after ?
Aug 17 00:31:28 <ShadowJK> yes
Aug 17 00:49:16 <rektide> http://pastebin.com/m37b74816
Aug 17 00:49:43 <rektide> this uboot environment starts running when i enter the second to last line
Aug 17 00:49:59 <rektide> i'm trying to create an environmental variable to start usb, not to start usb
Aug 17 00:53:25 <rektide> if i want to go back to the marvell nand kernel, what do i have to set arcNumber to?
Aug 17 00:56:24 <rektide> OpenRD:/# ntpdate pool.ntp.org
Aug 17 00:56:24 <rektide> 16 Aug 18:55:41 ntpdate[1219]: step time server 207.171.30.106 offset 303785646.690484 sec
Aug 17 00:56:27 <rektide> HAHAHA
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