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Aug 24 03:22:46 <rektide> well that was surprisingly painless; updating uboot
Aug 24 03:31:13 <rektide> tinker-f595: no dice, mmcinit isnt working. :(
Aug 24 03:31:27 <rektide> http://pastebin.com/m50db40c7
Aug 24 03:31:56 <tinker-f595> hmmmm...other people have done it....I only boot to usb hhd drive
Aug 24 03:33:16 <tinker-f595> rektide...try posting the arguments you are using and see if others will comment
Aug 24 03:33:38 <rektide> i was using usb, but as soon as i add a powered hub and some peripherials, uboot cant find the storage device
Aug 24 03:33:42 <rektide> frell
Aug 24 03:34:13 <tinker-f595> interesting
Aug 24 03:34:22 <tinker-f595> some one else had a problem with a hub
Aug 24 03:45:14 <Q_Continuum> Win7 because I have a TechNet subscription, it's better than Vista, and XP is becoming dated.  Plus, I want 64-bit on my systems.  (2 of them need it to use all the RAM in them)
Aug 24 03:46:19 <Q_Continuum> On my gaming rigs I throw Windows, everything else gets Ubuntu.
Aug 24 03:47:13 <tinker-f595> For desktop I prefer Mandriva
Aug 24 03:47:36 <tinker-f595> unfortunately they do not have an ARM build
Aug 24 04:06:28 <rektide> http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=652.0
Aug 24 04:06:34 <rektide> http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=653.0
Aug 24 04:06:48 <rektide> someone up on high really really really doesnt want me using my openrd. :(
Aug 24 04:10:37 <rektide> this is so not fair. :/
Aug 24 04:24:49 <tinker-f595> rektide - I don't get why you are using sheevaplug stuff with the openrd
Aug 24 04:30:02 <tinker-f595> rektide use the opendCd that comes with openrd.  it is on the CD and following the instructions for the openRD
Aug 24 04:30:32 <tinker-f595> well time for sleep
Aug 24 06:53:07 <Q_Continuum_> So to set up an external HD, what all do I unpack onto it? (Using the alpha-6 installer)
Aug 24 11:25:43 <rektide> tinker-f595: use openocd from OpenRD with what u-boot ?
Aug 24 11:33:14 <rektide> alpha8's openocd seemed to work just fine
Aug 24 11:36:26 <ukki> hey guys, just got my sheeva. is there something i should do first like update the kernel before i start trying apps on it?
Aug 24 11:38:15 <yacoob> "that depends"
Aug 24 11:38:25 <yacoob> it will provide you with working 9.04 ubuntu from the start
Aug 24 11:38:50 <yacoob> if you find stock kernel adequate, and don't worry about flash wearing out, then you're good to go.
Aug 24 11:39:26 <ukki> are there any kernels/patches that improve anything?
Aug 24 11:43:01 <rektide> the stock kernel is based off linux 2.6.22...
Aug 24 11:43:15 <rektide> thats at least a year old, probably nearly two
Aug 24 11:43:33 <rektide> no man alive could tell you what has been improved since then
Aug 24 11:43:50 <rektide> theres probably a megabyte of changelogs
Aug 24 11:44:16 <ukki> oh, i thought it shipped with .31-rc
Aug 24 11:44:47 <rektide> i have a different board; what does uname -a tell you ?
Aug 24 11:50:12 <yacoob> mine was a plug from august batch and it still came with 2.6.22
Aug 24 11:52:09 <ukki> k, must update the kernel then
Aug 24 11:52:29 <ukki> hopefully i can get vdr working
Aug 24 12:29:23 <rabeeh> ukki: if you want to upgrade to lk 2.6.3x then you should use sheevaplug installer alpha-6
Aug 24 12:29:38 <rabeeh> it has other goodies than upgrading the kernel
Aug 24 12:29:44 <rabeeh> (look at the forums :) )
Aug 24 12:33:07 <ukki> rabeeh: thanks
Aug 24 12:33:20 <yacoob> this installer will get him 2.6.30-rc kernel, right?
Aug 24 12:33:31 <yacoob> or was it updated to stable?
Aug 24 12:33:32 <rabeeh> yes
Aug 24 12:33:43 <rabeeh> 2.6.30 as i recall
Aug 24 12:34:00 <ukki> is it easy to brick the device?
Aug 24 12:34:17 <yacoob> ukki, as long as you don't bork the part of flash that holds uboot, you should be fine
Aug 24 12:34:57 <rabeeh> yacoob: even with bricking the uboot partition; the installer can revive that since it bypasses all flash in the system and accesses the processor directly via jtag
Aug 24 12:35:13 <rabeeh> then the installer re-installs uboot, env variables, kernel and rootfs
Aug 24 12:35:17 <yacoob> rabeeh, yeah, just saw that. Nice, that was the part I was wondering about when I was playing with stuff on Saturday.
Aug 24 12:35:54 <rabeeh> yacoob: Saturday is a good day for bricking stuff. you can stay really late to figure out what you did and how to repair them :)
Aug 24 12:36:47 <yacoob> I've only borked kernel part of the flash, so no biggie :)
Aug 24 12:38:15 <yacoob> still, I've decided to do stuff by hand, instead of using installer, learned more :)
Aug 24 12:43:00 <orly_owl> Is anyone selling the SheevaPlug in Australia?
Aug 24 12:47:00 <yacoob> rabeeh, what's the point of using ubifs, just 'supreme flash wear-out protection'? :)
Aug 24 13:15:03 <rabeeh> ubifs is faster when mounted; redesigned for bigger nand flash (where jffs2 was designed for smaller flash)
Aug 24 13:18:33 <orly_owl> ron_: Do you know?
Aug 24 13:20:49 <ron_> orly_owl: "where all good computers are sold" ;?
Aug 24 13:21:18 <ron_> I'm not aware of anyone reselling there specifically, but the mainline distributors will ship there
Aug 24 13:21:27 <orly_owl> is that harvey norman?
Aug 24 13:21:45 <orly_owl> there? i thought you were in aus :/
Aug 24 13:21:47 <ron_> are they Good? :)
Aug 24 13:22:02 <orly_owl> the good guys? :/
Aug 24 13:22:08 <orly_owl> stop this riddle crap
Aug 24 13:22:37 <orly_owl> define/link to 'mainline distributor'
Aug 24 13:23:34 <gorilla> orly_owl: Knock Knock!
Aug 24 13:23:57 <orly_owl> a gorilla is knocking on the door
Aug 24 13:24:03 * orly_owl calls animal control.
Aug 24 14:08:02 <ShadowJK> globalscale ships everywhere
Aug 24 14:08:47 <orly_owl> http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/ ?
Aug 24 14:09:23 <ShadowJK> yes
Aug 24 14:09:58 <ShadowJK> takes about 6 weeks though
Aug 24 14:11:27 <orly_owl> $87.49 (USD) for shipping with UPS
Aug 24 14:11:37 <orly_owl> what a rip. USPS would be cheaper
Aug 24 14:30:40 <rektide> my RTC is dead on my OpenRD. :(
Aug 24 14:31:04 <rektide> i am so not looking forwards to waiting another 2 months for RMA to go through
Aug 24 16:23:40 <ShadowJK> orly_owl, yeah agree, even EMS would be cheaper
Aug 24 16:24:22 <ShadowJK> plus, through the regular postal system there's a chance it goes through customs :-)
Aug 24 16:24:30 <ShadowJK> without you having to pay anything, I mean
Aug 24 16:56:16 * yacoob got charged 20-ish% vat, but that was US->EU
Aug 24 20:14:29 <ptman> Hi! Anyone know of a plugcomputer with two ethernet ports? So that it could serve as a firewall
Aug 24 20:16:48 <Q_Continuum> Yes, the OpenRD Client device.  Bigger, more expensive, but with more I/O connections.
Aug 24 20:17:50 <ptman> how much? and where can I get it?
Aug 24 20:18:20 <ptman> hasn't any consumer oriented vendor announced anything with two ports yet? =(
Aug 24 20:19:09 <ptman> and it's no longer in a wallwart formfactor =(
Aug 24 20:22:03 <Plax2> ptman: it's 103€ at globalscaletechnologies.com
Aug 24 20:22:11 <Plax2> but it's just a board with no chassis
Aug 24 20:22:24 <Plax2> if you want the chassis too you'll have to pay 170€ :(
Aug 24 20:22:30 <Plax2> http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/c-2-globalscale-technologies-products.aspx
Aug 24 20:23:00 <Plax2> you can use an usb ethernet card on the plugpc if the lower speed won't make a difference
Aug 24 20:31:05 <Q_Continuum> Use a 10/100 USB device, and have that be the 'outside' connection.
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