**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 08 02:59:58 2009 Oct 08 03:01:34 if you're using anything on a filesystem that isn't mounted yet, you're probably doomed. Oct 08 03:01:45 like, maybe /usr ;? Oct 08 03:02:53 the problem is, it's not "me", it's "ubuntu" Oct 08 03:02:58 so it's an actual bug Oct 08 03:04:55 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ifupdown/+bug/77325 heh Oct 08 03:08:37 lol. but only since 2007 Oct 08 03:09:34 * ron__ whispers debian debian debian debian ... Oct 08 03:10:36 how does this ruleset look like in debian? :) Oct 08 03:11:52 I don't think this particular rule is one of theirs ... Oct 08 03:12:15 an ubuntu 'feature' (since 2007?) from what I can see Oct 08 03:14:15 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ifupdown/+bug/366967 talks about the "feature" that bit me Oct 08 03:14:19 excellent Oct 08 03:14:36 ron__: so ron I take it you are only using the 1st sata port and not the 2nd Oct 08 03:17:16 all I'm saying is the peripheral device driver is functional. the code's a bit, 'ows ya father, but it just needs to be ported to denx Oct 08 03:17:54 any other bugs in denx code I know nothing about, I fixed and forwarded any that affected me Oct 08 03:23:13 mumble mumble mumble Oct 08 03:23:22 it's 4:23 :( Oct 08 03:23:31 * ron__ whispers again ... :) Oct 08 03:24:32 I had my share of Debian in the past, so far Ubuntu has been nice middle ground between zealocy and usefulness Oct 08 03:25:13 this is I think first time I got bitten by something stupid like that. Oct 08 03:25:15 harrumph. Oct 08 03:25:20 you don't think this udev rule is somehow _more_ zealous than zealous :? Oct 08 03:26:25 nah, it's just some Debian policies and actions from the past that irked me Oct 08 03:26:38 like? Oct 08 03:26:45 this, and this fine period of time when they were unable to cough out a stable distribution Oct 08 03:27:01 like removing a piece of software from main, because it had non-free licence Oct 08 03:27:19 namely, author asked something along the lines of 'if you like this software, pet a cat' Oct 08 03:27:20 when was that? statistically our releases have had surprisingly consistent periods between them Oct 08 03:27:33 given they indeed promise nothing of the sort Oct 08 03:28:29 did ubuntu put the pet a cat software back in their 'free' section? Oct 08 03:28:49 ron_, don't get me wrong, I like Debian a lot. At some point I decided I'm having more and more problems with it, and it's no longer suitable for me. But that was a time when I was still trying to use linux on desktop machines. Oct 08 03:29:36 the way I see it, Ubuntu acts as Debian integrators, that takes Debian and refines it a bit for desktop use Oct 08 03:29:38 I'm just trying to figure out what trouble you hit. It can't be fixed if we're not told about it Oct 08 03:29:52 (they still fail, but that's due to another things :) Oct 08 03:31:22 ron_, I think the main "problem" back then was the fact that I was happy with 2.x, then it took 3.0 2years to arrive, and 3 years for 3.1 Oct 08 03:31:56 some time later fglrx driver finished the job :) Oct 08 03:32:16 anyway, thanks for the help, I'll try to catch some sleep now Oct 08 03:32:29 and very many users complained they were having to update the thousands of systems they maintained Far Too Often Oct 08 03:32:44 the stable releases are mostly for them. Oct 08 03:33:09 everyone else uses testing or sid. Oct 08 03:33:18 including ubuntu :) Oct 08 03:33:34 testing at that time had serious security problem, if I'm not mistaken Oct 08 03:34:01 sid... well, yeah. I ended up using sid. Or stable+backports+things-that-I-backported-on-my-own Oct 08 03:34:04 (backbian? :) Oct 08 03:34:11 nothing that wouldn't have been fixed by packages from sid Oct 08 03:34:36 that's old news though, we've had a testing-security team for ages now Oct 08 03:35:00 yes, now it's much more suitable for deployment Oct 08 03:35:24 good motivation for stable was 'set up, configure updates, don't worry about it much' :) Oct 08 03:36:07 radeon is also often much more suitable for deployment than fglrx :) Oct 08 11:18:19 not enough sleep, mumble. Oct 08 11:18:43 for the record, yes, Debian has saner approach - it runs ifup/down with --allow hotplug Oct 08 12:16:08 90EUR shipping costs to EU for openrd and sheeva? is that the deal? Oct 08 12:20:19 if they deliver... Oct 08 12:20:35 ordered mine 10 days ago, still hasn't been dispatched Oct 08 12:20:47 (sheeva) Oct 08 12:22:08 it's really worth paying very expensive super fast delivery if they can't even dispatch Oct 08 12:26:41 it'll still save you a day or two when they get the next lot in Oct 08 12:27:48 that's kind of expensive to save a day or 2 ;) Oct 08 12:28:35 unrealMac: my first sheeva i got was delivered after a month and a half Oct 08 12:28:51 unrealMac: but it was not that expensive for shipping costs Oct 08 12:29:22 * zumbi_ wonders why there is no distributor in EU (and US) Oct 08 12:30:31 their margin must be pretty thin on this -- there might not be enough to go around to more middlemen Oct 08 12:34:55 hey ron_ ! i was not sure you were the same one ron :-) Oct 08 12:35:29 I'm never quite sure of that either :) Oct 08 12:35:37 but yes o/ Oct 08 12:36:20 ron without the tail is some other ron here though. I haven't met them yet :) Oct 08 12:40:39 unrealMac: "order date: 8/5/2009 8:21:26 AM; shipping date: 9/10/2009 2:08:41 PM; delivery date: Sep 18, 2009 11:34 AM" - that was my openrd-client Oct 08 12:41:01 oh ! Oct 08 12:41:14 i'll need to be patient Oct 08 12:42:18 last one we ordered came within 7 days including a weekend in the middle Oct 08 16:00:15 if anyone is around; are you (were you?) using this Debian tarball from http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/unpack.html ? Oct 08 17:32:33 yacoob: that's what I used to set up my SD card to boot debian Oct 08 18:03:09 exlt, have you sticked to the kernel provided, or have you been trying any other ready-made? Oct 08 18:27:52 been using the kirkwood kernel from http://people.debian.org/~tbm/orion - it "Just Works" for me ;) Oct 08 18:36:51 I see. Oct 08 18:37:08 I just unpacked the tarball right now, and I'm playing with kernel from http://sheeva.with-linux.com/sheeva/ Oct 08 18:37:36 I don't think I need initrd Oct 08 20:13:36 aaargha Oct 08 20:13:39 that was a trap Oct 08 20:13:41 python 2.5 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 09 03:00:00 2009