**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 28 02:59:58 2009
Oct 28 08:06:29 <punxos> Hi
Oct 28 11:45:34 <AndrewFBlack> Bryanstein, Hey
Oct 28 14:19:07 <Vegar> are there any shops other than the three (two) listed in the plugwiki that sells the sheevaplug?
Oct 28 18:07:17 <Vegar> Does anyone have the dimensions of the package the plug is shipped in?
Oct 28 18:11:04 <unrealMac> the outside box or the white box inside ?
Oct 28 22:55:18 <Gun_Smoke> Anyone here attend the Florida Linux show?
Oct 28 23:51:33 <Bryanstein> Gun_Smoke, I am
Oct 28 23:51:34 <Bryanstein> lol
Oct 28 23:51:46 <Bryanstein> I mean I did
Oct 29 00:02:08 <Bryanstein> Gun_Smoke,
Oct 29 00:02:18 <Bryanstein> I was there indeed
Oct 29 00:02:23 <Gun_Smoke> hey
Oct 29 00:02:30 <Gun_Smoke> same
Oct 29 00:02:42 <Gun_Smoke> Did you give the presentation?
Oct 29 00:02:57 <Bryanstein> Yes I did
Oct 29 00:03:10 <Gun_Smoke> ah.. nice.. I'm one of the Debian fans.. lol
Oct 29 00:03:23 <Bryanstein> wait...the debian-live guy ?
Oct 29 00:03:27 <Gun_Smoke> yep
Oct 29 00:03:43 <Bryanstein> Ha...I've been trying to track down metalx1000
Oct 29 00:03:52 <Bryanstein> or metal1000x
Oct 29 00:03:54 <Gun_Smoke> Oh, that's easy..
Oct 29 00:04:10 <Bryanstein> You got that openrd?
Oct 29 00:04:27 <Gun_Smoke> /msg memoserv send metalx1000
Oct 29 00:04:40 <Bryanstein> well I saw his number but I wanted to get him on irc...yes I was just about to send you a memo LOL
Oct 29 00:04:41 <Gun_Smoke> No, I actually just ordered a Sheeva about an hour ago.
Oct 29 00:04:48 <Bryanstein> Niceeeee
Oct 29 00:05:04 <Gun_Smoke> If he's online he'll be in #menlug
Oct 29 00:05:21 <Gun_Smoke> But I haven't seen him at all today
Oct 29 00:05:30 <Bryanstein> I saw a few logs of his online...he jumps all around...I checked around and he's not on
Oct 29 00:06:01 <Gun_Smoke> Yeah he's big in bash, python, Neo Freerunner, and now the n900..
Oct 29 00:06:06 <Bryanstein> I built a few kernels for my plug today...took only 60 minutes...that's with basically no modules
Oct 29 00:06:15 <Bryanstein> brb...need to make sure I'm not burning rice
Oct 29 00:06:59 <Gun_Smoke> I would think that kernel would be pretty darn small.. I've got mine on my T61 down to about 9.5M
Oct 29 00:11:27 <Stimps> Hello
Oct 29 00:12:19 <Gun_Smoke> sup
Oct 29 00:12:44 <Stimps> heh, just bought an openrd base system, and am having some trouble
Oct 29 00:12:52 <Stimps> err, client
Oct 29 00:13:24 <Stimps> I think its simple, any chance you could help, Gunsmoke?
Oct 29 00:14:03 <Gun_Smoke> Who knows.. I don't know what you're after.
Oct 29 00:14:32 <Gun_Smoke> Usually the best practice is to simply put your question up and then wait..
Oct 29 00:15:02 <Stimps> Well, I'm trying to boot off the internal nand. the kernel boots, but then complains about the rootfs: md: ... autorun DONE.
Oct 29 00:15:03 <Stimps> UBIFS error (pid 1): ubifs_get_sb: cannot open "ubi0:rootfs", error -19
Oct 29 00:15:03 <Stimps> VFS: Cannot open root device "ubi0:rootfs" or unknown-block(0,0)
Oct 29 00:15:03 <Stimps> Please append a correct "root=" boot option; here are the available partitions:
Oct 29 00:15:03 <Stimps> 0800  312571224 sda driver: sd
Oct 29 00:15:03 <Stimps>   0801  308448000 sda1
Oct 29 00:15:06 <Stimps>   0802    4120641 sda2
Oct 29 00:15:08 <Stimps> 1f00       1024 mtdblock0 (driver?)
Oct 29 00:15:10 <Stimps> 1f01       2048 mtdblock1 (driver?)
Oct 29 00:15:12 <Stimps> 1f02     521216 mtdblock2 (driver?)
Oct 29 00:15:13 <Stimps> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
Oct 29 00:15:27 <Bryanstein> Stimps, you need to put that in pastebin
Oct 29 00:15:29 <Bryanstein> don't flood the channel please
Oct 29 00:15:35 <Stimps> sorry
Oct 29 00:15:45 <Stimps> I've never gotten used to irc
Oct 29 00:16:24 <Bryanstein> well that will either get you flamed or booted from a channel really fast...pastebin it next time
Oct 29 00:16:42 <Bryanstein> brb gotta check my fish...pastebin your printenv from uboot too Stimps
Oct 29 00:17:32 <Stimps> never heard of pastebin
Oct 29 00:19:12 <Gun_Smoke> http://pastebin.com/
Oct 29 00:19:40 <Stimps> http://pastebin.com/d4299d934
Oct 29 00:19:43 <Stimps> Is that what I do?
Oct 29 00:20:08 <Gun_Smoke> yup..
Oct 29 00:20:15 <Stimps> ah hah! Thanks.
Oct 29 00:20:55 <Stimps> I'm too old not to know IRC, but it was insecure during my formative college years, and I have never gotten around to really learning it and its culture.
Oct 29 00:21:55 <Gun_Smoke> Oh it's still pretty insecure. basically everything is sent in plain text..
Oct 29 00:22:04 <Gun_Smoke> Line 18 looks like the problem there.
Oct 29 00:22:36 <Stimps> Well, I'd say its a bit dated, but that'd be rude, what with me coming here hat in hand looking for help. Oh, and I'm on a vms box.
Oct 29 00:23:57 <Stimps> I cleared the variable, but it does the same thing....
Oct 29 00:24:09 <Gun_Smoke> Well I'm still pretty new to this myself.  However, line 18 reading ... root=root=/dev/nfs rw seems off to me.
Oct 29 00:24:23 <Stimps> I should really have printed out the defauilt env
Oct 29 00:24:24 <Stimps> right
Oct 29 00:26:16 <Stimps> Its like everything, when it works, it works well, but I've been banging away on it like a black box and now it won't boot. (:
Oct 29 00:27:04 <Stimps> My sense is somehow the nand partition table went missing with the resetenv
Oct 29 00:27:16 <Stimps> I also recently updated the u-boot
Oct 29 00:27:57 <Gun_Smoke> I haven't played around with it yet. My plug won't be here for a while.
Oct 29 00:28:32 <Stimps> ah. Its fun, and cheap. seems fast. But the u-boot stuff is a head scratcher for me.
Oct 29 00:29:13 <Stimps> I think the plug is farther along than the openrd board is.
Oct 29 00:29:18 <Stimps> devel wise
Oct 29 00:29:26 <Stimps> Which makes sense as its cheaper
Oct 29 00:29:42 <Gun_Smoke> haha.. Bryanstein will probably know more.. He gave a nice presentation at this years Florida Linux show on the plug.
Oct 29 00:30:33 * Stimps nods.
Oct 29 00:32:30 <Stimps> my sense, for whatever that's worth, is these things are gonna be hot in a while.
Oct 29 00:33:03 <Stimps> Perhaps I'm just cheap and don't like paying for electricity
Oct 29 00:36:55 <Gun_Smoke> Yeah I see a hot demand for them soon.
Oct 29 00:36:58 <Stimps> seems like a good default should be out there somewhere
Oct 29 00:37:04 <Bryanstein> sorry
Oct 29 00:37:12 <Bryanstein> Stimps, what kernel are you using?
Oct 29 00:37:55 <Bryanstein> So it seems like you tried to either update your kernel or kernel and rootfs
Oct 29 00:38:38 <Stimps> I did a tfptboot, would that have overwritten the nand?
Oct 29 00:38:50 <Stimps> I'm using the default .18dirty
Oct 29 00:39:38 <Stimps> I thought about re-flashing the rootfs back on the nand, but that bit looked difficult
Oct 29 00:40:02 <Bryanstein> well you probably did tftp to upgrade the uboot blob
Oct 29 00:40:13 <Stimps> Yes
Oct 29 00:40:24 <Stimps> would that have wiped out the mtd partition?
Oct 29 00:40:51 <Bryanstein> well the right one it would
Oct 29 00:40:54 <Bryanstein> but not the other two
Oct 29 00:41:24 * Stimps nods. It boots the kernel too.
Oct 29 00:41:31 <Bryanstein> the kernel loads so the second one is fine...
Oct 29 00:42:00 <Stimps> its not possible to fsck in uboot is it?
Oct 29 00:42:33 <Bryanstein> lol no chance
Oct 29 00:42:33 <Stimps> or to see what the partition table is? help mtd gives a lot of confusing dangerous looking commands
Oct 29 00:42:57 <Bryanstein> Ok tell me this...you tried to use another kernel?
Oct 29 00:43:27 <Stimps> Another filesystem, but not a kernel.
Oct 29 00:44:24 <Stimps> switching bootargs
Oct 29 00:44:48 <Stimps> if i issue mtdparts it says mtdids not defined, is that normal?
Oct 29 00:46:19 <Bryanstein> yes...your boot args look all jacked up Stimps
Oct 29 00:46:58 <Bryanstein> that is normal
Oct 29 00:47:13 * Stimps grins. I've been typing a lot.
Oct 29 00:47:18 <Bryanstein> LOL
Oct 29 00:48:40 <Bryanstein> consoleconsole=
Oct 29 00:48:44 <Stimps> I have things like 'bootargs_end=::$(netmask):DB88FXX81:eth0:none', but I assume that's just a define, and not a big deal.
Oct 29 00:48:44 <Bryanstein> what is that?
Oct 29 00:48:51 <Stimps> oh, typo?
Oct 29 00:49:09 <Bryanstein> well I see 3 different console envs defined
Oct 29 00:49:24 <Stimps> that's not good.
Oct 29 00:50:28 <Bryanstein> well it won't hurt if you plan on doing 3 different things but I think its a matter of you only want one of the 3 and you did a saveenv  and reset then it failed to boot
Oct 29 00:51:20 <Stimps> I'm cleaning them out and re-copying the ones I want. one second.
Oct 29 00:51:27 <Bryanstein> so you wanted ubifs filesystem but are you sure your kernel is even ubifs capable?
Oct 29 00:52:13 <Stimps> The default came ubifs, I think
Oct 29 00:53:42 <Stimps> quote from me this morning in a meeting: "This isn't hand grenades! We need to get this right!' about someone's username. (:
Oct 29 00:59:28 <Stimps> okay, I updated pastebin
Oct 29 01:00:19 <Stimps> I'll try ubifs
Oct 29 01:00:28 <Bryanstein> the same post?
Oct 29 01:01:00 <Stimps> stimp at the top
Oct 29 01:01:14 <Gun_Smoke> Bryanstein, any clue on shipping of the units?
Oct 29 01:01:27 <Gun_Smoke> What have your wait times been?
Oct 29 01:02:16 <Bryanstein> Gun_Smoke, well my times are different really...because I wine and complain until they ship it
Oct 29 01:02:35 <Bryanstein> I don't know about lately but the plug we gave away for the show was a rush order
Oct 29 01:02:51 <Bryanstein> which...was an exception once we purchased it
Oct 29 01:02:58 <Bryanstein> Stimps, what did you update?
Oct 29 01:03:23 <Gun_Smoke> They must be assembling on demand...
Oct 29 01:03:35 <Stimps> uboot, re: http://groups.google.com/group/openrd/browse_thread/thread/7e204d6c9087305e
Oct 29 01:04:40 <Stimps> My openrd base took about 2 weeks to arrive at the door
Oct 29 01:04:43 <Stimps> if that.
Oct 29 01:05:24 <Bryanstein> well it really depends on how many are available my first plug took about hmmmm 3 weeks...but it was in the first back order
Oct 29 01:05:34 <Bryanstein> 2nd took a matter of 5 days
Oct 29 01:05:48 <Bryanstein> and that was due to the shipping going ground
Oct 29 01:05:55 <Bryanstein> third...was sent in no time
Oct 29 01:06:12 <Bryanstein> mind you ...I had next day air on the last and the first
Oct 29 01:06:35 <Gun_Smoke> patience is a virtue. :)
Oct 29 01:06:42 <Bryanstein> Stimps, you followed this http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/install.html
Oct 29 01:07:03 <Bryanstein> Gun_Smoke, don't waist your time reading anything on that CD they send
Oct 29 01:07:03 <Stimps> hah
Oct 29 01:07:08 <Stimps> its booting
Oct 29 01:07:14 * Stimps blinks
Oct 29 01:07:29 <Bryanstein> tell me which kernel you have once it gets up please
Oct 29 01:08:18 <Stimps> I switched the setenv bootargs to use jffs2, booting gave a bunch of filesystem errors, which you'd expect if it was ubifs. Then I restarted, and the darn thing is working.
Oct 29 01:08:28 <Bryanstein> Gun_Smoke, that disc has the worst art on it for one LOL...and it's wording is a bit convoluted
Oct 29 01:09:09 <Stimps> Linux OpenRD 2.6.22.18-dirty #1 Sat Aug 29 15:18:06 IST 2009 armv5tejl armv5tejl armv5tejl GNU/Linux
Oct 29 01:09:20 <Bryanstein> Stimps, can you pastebin a dmesg please and an lsmod I want to see if something is there...
Oct 29 01:10:35 <Gun_Smoke> oh fun.. sid is acting up..
Oct 29 01:11:15 <Stimps> okay, done
Oct 29 01:11:35 <Bryanstein> Gun_Smoke, sid is a wild ride indeed
Oct 29 01:11:41 <Stimps> I don't like how it suddenly started working
Oct 29 01:12:06 <Bryanstein> well it didn't like how you kept changing things here and there, lol
Oct 29 01:12:13 <Stimps> hah
Oct 29 01:12:20 <Gun_Smoke> I seem to have lost control of everything but this window and the keyboard.
Oct 29 01:12:21 <Stimps> I was way over my head last night.
Oct 29 01:12:32 <Bryanstein> lol @ Gun_Smoke
Oct 29 01:12:42 <Stimps> I need a keyloger just to keep track of myself.
Oct 29 01:12:59 <Gun_Smoke> haha.. no kidding..
Oct 29 01:13:00 <Stimps> Well, now that I'm back in unix land, I can put this image on the external hd.
Oct 29 01:13:08 <Bryanstein> well that can happen fast and when you don't know what variables were set before you started changing them
Oct 29 01:13:18 * Stimps sits in the corner
Oct 29 01:13:35 <Bryanstein> ahhhh vms
Oct 29 01:13:45 <Stimps> eh, don't knoe that too well either
Oct 29 01:13:51 <Stimps> I'm a client support guy.
Oct 29 01:13:58 <Stimps> bit of everything, nothing too well (:
Oct 29 01:14:06 <Bryanstein> well you're here so you know enough
Oct 29 01:14:11 <Stimps> aww
Oct 29 01:14:24 <Bryanstein> Gun_Smoke, you're screwed?
Oct 29 01:14:24 <Stimps> no place for arrogance in the computer business in my opinion.
Oct 29 01:14:33 <Stimps> oh, thanks for the both of your help, btw.
Oct 29 01:14:46 <Gun_Smoke> Bryanstein, no way! I've danced with sid long enough..
Oct 29 01:14:53 <Bryanstein> hahaha
Oct 29 01:15:46 <Gun_Smoke> I was able to jump to tty1 and kill of some random process that was pegged.. Probably should have wrote that down, but I'm looking into what I can starting playing with getting ready for the plug's arrival.
Oct 29 01:16:04 <Bryanstein> well I've dangled my toes in the lava of sid many times to only pull back a charred and cauterized nub
Oct 29 01:16:24 <Bryanstein> oh...so it wasn't an X issue
Oct 29 01:16:39 <Bryanstein> Gun_Smoke, what window manager you use?
Oct 29 01:16:47 * Bryanstein prepares to puke...
Oct 29 01:16:49 <Gun_Smoke> haha... So far so good here.. (knock on wood) I've had this install of sid for about 6 months.
Oct 29 01:16:54 <Gun_Smoke> gnome of course.
Oct 29 01:17:28 <Bryanstein> Ok...I still left my dear gnome behind some years ago for E
Oct 29 01:17:38 <Gun_Smoke> fully encrypted, LVM the whole bit has survived this long.
Oct 29 01:17:44 <Bryanstein> woa
Oct 29 01:17:51 <Bryanstein> you'll love the sheevaplug then
Oct 29 01:17:54 <Gun_Smoke> 2 weeks back some upgrades killed a ton of people.
Oct 29 01:18:09 <Bryanstein> but you ran right through the fire huh
Oct 29 01:18:32 <Gun_Smoke> Yep, because I try to stay far away from meta packages. :)
Oct 29 01:19:03 <Bryanstein> well lets put it this way...2 weeks ago I was left with a system that was confused and needing a clean install
Oct 29 01:19:10 <Gun_Smoke> Those fools that don't read what aptitude wants to do were stuck without being able to access an encrypted lv..
Oct 29 01:19:20 <Stimps> eep
Oct 29 01:19:32 <Bryanstein> my issue is that i mixed a lot of branches
Oct 29 01:19:34 <Stimps> time to go to the tapes
Oct 29 01:19:56 <Gun_Smoke> Bryanstein, mixing can be done nicely with e/apt/preferences
Oct 29 01:20:06 <Bryanstein> Gun_Smoke, I did that
Oct 29 01:20:31 <Bryanstein> sure did...had testing at the highest priority
Oct 29 01:20:50 <Gun_Smoke> This guy has a nice approach. http://iguanasuicide.org/node/4
Oct 29 01:21:50 <Bryanstein> Gun_Smoke, that is just how mine is...some call it pinning
Oct 29 01:22:34 <Bryanstein> but a problem with that is...it mixes if you use stable testing instead of the release name
Oct 29 01:22:57 <Gun_Smoke> I've stuck with sid for a while now. Last time I needed pinning was for wicd in etch, and then briefly in lenny
Oct 29 01:23:25 <Bryanstein> well on the sheevaplug I use sid and lenny
Oct 29 01:23:41 <Gun_Smoke> oh yeah.. I NEVER use stable/testing/unstable.. always release names.
Oct 29 01:24:09 <Bryanstein> You don't have a Freerunner too do you ?
Oct 29 01:24:22 <Gun_Smoke> metalx1000 does.. I don't.
Oct 29 01:24:44 <Gun_Smoke> I'm planning on starting with Squeeze on my plug.
Oct 29 01:24:55 <Bryanstein> sorry I meant squeeze
Oct 29 01:24:58 <Bryanstein> not sid
Oct 29 01:25:05 <Gun_Smoke> I figure by the time I'm done messing it up Squeeze will be froze anyhow.
Oct 29 01:25:10 <Bryanstein> it was running squeeze at the show
Oct 29 01:25:34 <Gun_Smoke> From what I've been reading on debian-user it seems rather stable.
Oct 29 01:25:54 <Bryanstein> its fine...I have lived off of testing for ages
Oct 29 01:26:27 <Bryanstein> play with the default kernel for a while
Oct 29 01:26:51 <Stimps> what show?
Oct 29 01:27:08 <Bryanstein> even though its ubuntu...it still has the CESA support which you have to build your own kernel to get it back until 2.6.32 rolls out the door
Oct 29 01:27:13 <Bryanstein> Stimps,  Florida Linux Show
Oct 29 01:27:50 <Bryanstein> Gun_Smoke, also...there is a really nice installer that's in errrm I'd say beta but they'd say its alpha(for Debian Squeeze)
Oct 29 01:27:55 <Stimps> cool.
Oct 29 01:28:10 <Gun_Smoke> oh nice..
Oct 29 01:28:18 <Bryanstein> I've tried it like 3 times and it always worked...only issue was I couldn't get it to work with my apt-cacher
Oct 29 01:28:39 <Gun_Smoke> I have my mind set on a debootstrap squeeze install.
Oct 29 01:28:45 <Gun_Smoke> from ubuntu
Oct 29 01:29:01 <Gun_Smoke> or whatever they are shipping it with currently.
Oct 29 01:29:03 <Bryanstein> that works great too...from sd/usb
Oct 29 01:29:09 <Bryanstein> yes its ubuntu
Oct 29 01:29:54 <Gun_Smoke> I have one 150G drive that it will be left in charge of...
Oct 29 01:30:12 <Gun_Smoke> How much space do I have to work with out of the box? 512 right?
Oct 29 01:30:18 <Bryanstein> yep
Oct 29 01:30:55 <Bryanstein> you can slap that 150 in a case or mount your root via nfs
Oct 29 01:32:16 <Gun_Smoke> Already cased.. I've been planning on buying one for a while. I held off wanting the door prize.
Oct 29 01:35:43 <Stimps> At least the openrd thing is really new. speaking of alpha
Oct 29 01:36:09 <Stimps> But its nice to see devs from the company chipping away at things, like the new uboot
Oct 29 01:36:45 <Gun_Smoke> Read something about the plugs getting new firmware about a month ago.
Oct 29 01:36:48 <Bryanstein> yes but guys in the community have farted out new uboot bins some time ago...there is even a patch to boot freebsd
Oct 29 01:38:10 <Bryanstein> they changed the spacing on the usb and ethernet port as well
Oct 29 01:38:11 <Stimps> I sawe that, got tempted, but decided it'd be like wanting a shiny motorbike when I've still got training wheels on my bicycle.
Oct 29 01:39:04 <Bryanstein> well I planned on getting a usb to vga today but I have to be careful
Oct 29 01:39:17 <Bryanstein> having trouble building the displaylink drivers on this thing now
Oct 29 01:39:31 <Bryanstein> with the kernel changes I've made
Oct 29 01:45:39 <Gun_Smoke> Ah ha.. qemu just popped into mind.. I should be able to mess around..
Oct 29 01:49:26 * Stimps fscks
Oct 29 01:49:45 <Stimps> just copied fedora 8 to sata drive.
Oct 29 02:03:45 <Stimps> eep! The ethernet MAC # changed after I updated u-boot
Oct 29 02:05:17 <Bryanstein> stimps that's easy change it
Oct 29 02:05:42 <Stimps> err, I would have assumed it'd be perm.
Oct 29 02:06:14 <Bryanstein> setenv ethaddr 00:00:00:00:00:00
Oct 29 02:06:24 <Bryanstein> nope...its set in uboot
Oct 29 02:06:30 <Bryanstein> look on the back of your device
Oct 29 02:09:09 <Stimps> ah. yeah, should find the actual mac
Oct 29 02:10:59 <Stimps> oh, eth0 is at least in my routerbox
Oct 29 02:27:06 <tinker-f595> Stimps which technique did you use to update u-boot ?
Oct 29 02:27:44 <tinker-f595> Stimps:  if you used openocd there is a file you can edit that will set it at flash time
Oct 29 02:30:11 <Gun_Smoke> I've been known to change mac's like women..
Oct 29 02:31:39 <Gun_Smoke> My campus is trigger happy on blacklisting..
Oct 29 02:52:44 <Stimps> err, are you at the college I work at? (:
Oct 29 02:53:31 <Stimps> I used ... ... tftp thing I think
Oct 29 02:54:54 <Stimps> err, doin the p2p stuff, Gun?
Oct 29 02:55:18 <Stimps> We've had over 200 letters since the start of school.
Oct 29 02:56:32 <Stimps> My advice is to stay away from HBO programs, they seem to doing a lot of letters recently.
Oct 29 02:58:47 <Gun_Smoke> no p2p..
Oct 29 02:59:46 <Stimps> oh?
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