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Oct 29 03:00:10 <Gun_Smoke> First hit was for some simple scanning, second was from repeated smtp attempts, exim had a queue, and I don't even remember the rest..
Oct 29 03:00:21 <Stimps> ah
Oct 29 03:00:31 <Gun_Smoke> my last was settled with an email to IT asking them to remove it.
Oct 29 03:00:49 <Stimps> At least here you'd be put in the 'knows enough to be dangerous, try to hire' (:
Oct 29 03:01:02 <Gun_Smoke> :)
Oct 29 03:01:23 <Stimps> We had a kid about 10 years ago phone our upstream provider at 3am and convince someone to change the rootdns server to his dorm computer
Oct 29 03:02:32 <Stimps> Apparently they do change management now, and there is mad paperwork and delays even for the admins.
Oct 29 03:02:38 <Gun_Smoke> Funny, I was thinking about how easy it would be to really be evil.. The whole campus is unsecured wifi with the same essid of 'student'.. Then the last 2600 ran an article about the exact thing I was talking about.
Oct 29 03:02:44 <Stimps> We just got a gigabit link, with 200Mb/sec lit up
Oct 29 03:03:05 <Stimps> oh ?we do that, basically
Oct 29 03:03:36 <Gun_Smoke> And then my friend pointed out 'The Pineapple' to me.. Which would greatly ease the process.
Oct 29 03:03:53 <Stimps> err?
Oct 29 03:03:55 * Stimps looks worried
Oct 29 03:04:34 <Gun_Smoke> http://revision3.com/hak5/pineapples
Oct 29 03:06:04 <Stimps> looks interesting
Oct 29 03:06:44 <Stimps> The HVAC contractors here want telnet opened for a bunch of stuff. I'm like do you even know the sorts of students here?
Oct 29 03:07:19 <Gun_Smoke> haha.. yeah.. bad idea.
Oct 29 03:09:49 <Stimps> these guys mostly work for corperate. big firewall, and people sniffing internally get fired.
Oct 29 03:10:08 <Stimps> So they tend to use username/password that's the same, or no passwd at all and other dumb stuff.
Oct 29 03:13:34 <Gun_Smoke> Yep.. Even some simple social engineering could open a lot of that up.
Oct 29 03:14:36 <Stimps> oh, I worry less about that. I freak students out.
Oct 29 03:14:42 <Stimps> hah
Oct 29 03:18:47 <Stimps> well, night!
Oct 29 03:19:01 <Stimps> Thanks for your help
Oct 29 10:34:04 <punxos> Hi
Oct 29 15:00:45 <Vegar> unrealMac: the outside box
Oct 29 15:10:03 <unrealMac> wow, you lag ;)
Oct 29 15:10:18 <unrealMac> maybe 20cm x 25cm x 10cm
Oct 29 15:10:26 <unrealMac> it wasn't a large box
Oct 29 17:30:20 <Bryanstein> Anyone in here built the displaylink driver with the 2.6.30 kernel?
Oct 29 17:34:16 <Bryanstein> anyone in here built the displaylink drivers at all?
Oct 29 17:34:41 <Bryanstein> I'm having issues building it on the 2.6.30-2 kernel
Oct 29 18:17:46 <Gun_Smoke> metalx1000, meet Bryanstein :)
Oct 29 19:55:57 <Q_Continuum> So, Ubuntu 9.10 is out.  How long until we have a working installer? Heh
Oct 29 20:10:09 <eFfeM> not
Oct 29 20:10:27 <eFfeM> ubuntu 9.10 does not support armv5te any more :-(
Oct 29 20:17:13 <Q_Continuum> noooo
Oct 29 20:17:23 <Q_Continuum> they moved on to other ARM chips only?
Oct 29 20:23:17 <Q_Continuum> So we're stuck with what 9.04 has, and that will eventually be EOL'd.
Oct 29 20:27:08 <eFfeM> minimum arm6 + vfp
Oct 29 20:27:18 <eFfeM> there are other options
Oct 29 20:27:37 <eFfeM> debian afaik still supports armv5 and I think fedora does too
Oct 29 20:27:45 <eFfeM> and ofc there is always openembedded :-)
Oct 29 20:31:02 <Q_Continuum> Dang.
Oct 29 20:31:24 <Q_Continuum> Regardless, I need to get that, or my old Shuttle box up and running as a server, so I can stop paying that dedicated one to host my email. heh.
Oct 29 20:49:17 <darkstar62> eFfeM: is there a page on the ubuntu site about that?  I haven't been able to find anything officially saying that
Oct 29 20:51:55 <roxfan> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Specs/MobileKarmicArmelToolchain
Oct 29 20:53:20 * yacoob reads ubuntu news
Oct 29 20:53:32 <yacoob> it's a good thing that I moved to debian then :)
Oct 29 20:54:00 <armin76> eFfeM: and gentoo, and slackware
Oct 29 20:54:02 <roxfan> you can go to #ubuntu-arm and rant
Oct 29 20:54:10 <darkstar62> that page seems to be just about edubuntu, and it's a spec page...not exactly a "thou shalt run armv6 or later" page...
Oct 29 20:56:12 <roxfan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/MobileKarmicArmelToolchain same thing
Oct 29 20:57:58 <darkstar62> hmm...ok
Oct 29 20:58:10 <darkstar62> I just asked on #ubuntu-arm too -- see if they corroborate that
Oct 29 20:58:11 <eFfeM> armin76: ofc, actually as I am an openembedded dev I am biased
Oct 29 20:58:38 <darkstar62> <ojn> Karmic is ARMv6 and above
Oct 29 20:58:53 <eFfeM> roxfan: already asked about it in ubuntu-arm got something about not having the right things do so, no idea what it exactly is
Oct 29 20:59:06 <armin76> http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=686.0
Oct 29 20:59:15 <armin76> you have the answer from rabeeh
Oct 29 21:02:16 <roxfan> that's not really an "answer", just a confirmation....
Oct 29 21:05:43 <armin76> well, the answer is simple
Oct 29 21:06:18 <armin76> ubuntu is desktop-oriented, you're wasting cpu optimizations by running code with armv5te optimizations on an armv6+ cpu
Oct 29 21:07:05 <eFfeM> what about different builds? oe has different repo's for v5te and v6 (and v7)
Oct 29 21:07:19 <darkstar62> that's what I'd like to know
Oct 29 21:07:32 <darkstar62> seems it should just be a matter of compile flags to get both arches
Oct 29 21:07:50 <roxfan> i think they do have v7 optimized libs installed alongside with v6 ones
Oct 29 21:09:00 <armin76> eFfeM: thats a lot of cputime+ftp space and they aren't interested
Oct 29 21:09:24 <armin76> eFfeM: i remember lool (ubuntu dev) said he wished there was a community keeping armv5te port on their own
Oct 29 21:10:20 <eFfeM> yeah lool was the one mentioning that htere were some issues
Oct 29 21:10:24 <eFfeM> oh well
Oct 29 21:11:03 <armin76> canonical has the hardware, its just that they are more focused on smartbooks/netbooks/whateveraretheycalled
Oct 29 21:11:31 <eFfeM> hm, i think plug based systems are becoming pop
Oct 29 21:11:36 <darkstar62> well, if they have the hardware, could we work with them to support an armv5 build?
Oct 29 21:12:33 <armin76> darkstar62: you'll need to ask lool
Oct 29 21:13:31 <armin76> i created a forum post: http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=885.0
Oct 29 21:15:23 <armin76> eFfeM: besides, afaik ubuntu doesn't offer official support to the plug
Oct 29 21:16:01 <armin76> in fact i think they only offer stuff for marvell dove and babbage boards, which aren't public
Oct 29 21:16:46 <roxfan> i think also imx51
Oct 29 21:16:55 <darkstar62> yeah
Oct 29 21:16:57 <armin76> imx51 = babbage
Oct 29 21:17:03 <roxfan> ah
Oct 29 21:17:15 <armin76> the image they offer is babbage specific
Oct 29 21:28:12 <darkstar62> hmm, installing debian seems straight forward enough
Oct 29 21:28:38 <darkstar62> maybe I'll do that when I've got a weekend free
Oct 29 21:29:19 <Bryanstein> anyone built the displaylink driver on the plug for 2.6.30?
Oct 29 21:30:24 <Erant> I'm trying to boot the latest and greatest kernel for the OpenRD-base, but when I boot it, all I get is Error: unrecognized/unsupported machine ID (r1 = 0x00000915). Followed by lots of junk. (Actually, it looks like ARM assembly)
Oct 29 21:33:12 <eFfeM> erant is it an openrd kernel? where did you get it from? you may not be able to boot a sheeva kernel on openrd
Oct 29 21:33:46 <Erant> EFfeM: Came from the openrd Google page :)
Oct 29 21:34:11 <eFfeM> did you set mainlineLinux and arcNumber ?
Oct 29 21:34:58 <Erant> arcNumber=2325
Oct 29 21:34:58 <Erant> mainlineLinux=yes
Oct 29 21:37:10 <Erant> I'm a little confused by the mangled table though. It looks very much like it's spitting out it's own exception vector table.
Oct 29 21:41:09 <eFfeM> Erant: this is an indication that the kernel is not for your board
Oct 29 21:42:01 <eFfeM> your kenrel does not recognize 2325 (and I assume 2325 is the right number)
Oct 29 21:48:33 <Erant> 2325 is for OpenRD-Base, 2361 is for OpenRD-Client. Neither work.
Oct 29 21:49:08 <Erant> And with the repo being called 'linux-2.6-openrd', I'd hazard a guess that it is the right kernel :P
Oct 29 21:50:25 <arachnist> Erant: did you enable support for openrd-base/client in the kernel?
Oct 29 21:50:41 <arachnist> as in, for the base board
Oct 29 21:51:31 <Erant> arachnist: Not explicitly, I applied the kirkwood_defconfig. I assumed that took care of all the enabling needed.
Oct 29 21:52:57 <eFfeM> erant, it does not thought you downloaded a prebuild kernel
Oct 29 21:53:04 <eFfeM> you need to change the config file
Oct 29 21:54:19 <Erant> Heh.
Oct 29 21:54:20 <Erant> # CONFIG_MACH_OPENRD_BASE is not set
Oct 29 21:54:20 <Erant> # CONFIG_MACH_OPENRD_CLIENT is not set
Oct 29 21:54:30 <eFfeM> there's your answer
Oct 29 21:54:59 <Erant> Heh, alright. Thanks. Lemme update the 'building mainline' page then. It doesn't mention this.
Oct 29 21:55:39 <eFfeM> calling it a day, cya
Oct 30 00:36:35 <Bryanstein> Gun_Smoke,
Oct 30 00:36:44 <Bryanstein> metalx1000, you alive?
Oct 30 00:37:28 <Gun_Smoke> you bet
Oct 30 00:38:12 <Gun_Smoke> Bryanstein, migrated sid to ext4 last night and buttoned up converting all previous files with extends this afternoon.. :)
Oct 30 00:38:54 <metalx1000> hey
Oct 30 00:39:07 <Bryanstein> ext4 wtf for?
Oct 30 00:39:15 <Bryanstein> reiserfs ftw
Oct 30 00:39:21 <Bryanstein> hey metalx1000
Oct 30 00:39:27 <metalx1000> how are things?
Oct 30 00:39:31 <Gun_Smoke> You know that guy is in prison right?
Oct 30 00:39:44 <Bryanstein> Yes he did bad things to his wife
Oct 30 00:39:50 <Gun_Smoke> :)
Oct 30 00:39:53 <metalx1000> who?
Oct 30 00:39:58 <Gun_Smoke> reiser
Oct 30 00:39:59 <Bryanstein> Hans Reiser
Oct 30 00:40:04 <metalx1000> oh
Oct 30 00:40:22 <Bryanstein> He actually mader her cease to exist
Oct 30 00:40:34 <Gun_Smoke> build a file system.. And then when his wife wouldn't convert her ext2 partitions to reiserfs he killed her
Oct 30 00:40:46 <Bryanstein> but that sucks...but reiserfs doesnt
Oct 30 00:41:07 <Gun_Smoke> Actually I have nothing but good things to say so far about ext4.
Oct 30 00:41:14 <Bryanstein> metalx1000, it didn't happen just like that but the end result was the same
Oct 30 00:41:21 <Gun_Smoke> :) lol
Oct 30 00:41:26 <Bryanstein> well ext4 is so so
Oct 30 00:41:43 <Bryanstein> reiserfs still kicks it in the teeth and everything else
Oct 30 00:41:55 <Bryanstein> ext4 was having some attribute issues if I remember correctly
Oct 30 00:42:03 <Bryanstein> btrfs is where its at...
Oct 30 00:42:18 <Bryanstein> metalx1000, I wish I thought about it when you were at the show
Oct 30 00:42:46 <Bryanstein> that sd wifi card...the moko might have the driver in its kernel
Oct 30 00:42:58 <Bryanstein> I'm almost positive it does
Oct 30 00:43:58 <metalx1000> oh, I don't know
Oct 30 00:44:21 <Bryanstein> well I was looking around and the sdio stack in openmoko is where it's at
Oct 30 00:44:47 <Bryanstein> pretty sure it is...I think I even saw a post with some guy using the same CARD
Oct 30 00:45:24 <Bryanstein> you can't do ap mode with that thing can you? I don't think the atheros sdio stack can, but I don't know about within the moko
Oct 30 00:45:42 <Bryanstein> that is what we really are all looking for
Oct 30 00:46:03 <Bryanstein> usb can't do ap mode...
Oct 30 00:46:10 <Bryanstein> sd stack...who knows
Oct 30 00:46:14 <metalx1000> I don't think so,  I believe I've heard of people have done it with a USB wifi
Oct 30 00:46:24 <metalx1000> yeah
Oct 30 00:47:13 <Bryanstein> man...we really need that
Oct 30 00:49:08 <Bryanstein> metalx1000, that video was pretttty nice
Oct 30 00:49:17 <metalx1000> thank you
Oct 30 00:49:23 <Bryanstein> I have used Cinellera a bit myself
Oct 30 00:49:58 <metalx1000> yeah, it's weird until you get use to it
Oct 30 00:50:12 <metalx1000> That's why I'm doing videos for others
Oct 30 00:50:27 <Bryanstein> cinellera doesn't render too well though...quality wise
Oct 30 00:51:07 <metalx1000> I don't have a problem.  But, I export everything as RAW DV
Oct 30 00:51:43 <Bryanstein> You know you can edit video with Blender too?
Oct 30 00:51:57 <metalx1000> I have videos on that too
Oct 30 00:52:21 <metalx1000> http://filmsbykris.com/
Oct 30 00:52:26 <Bryanstein> I drifted around and saw a few things...I just couldn't watch them because too much flash kills my browser
Oct 30 00:52:29 <metalx1000> bottom left of the page
Oct 30 00:53:01 <metalx1000> I love Blender. I could go on and on all day on how great it is :)
Oct 30 00:53:37 <Bryanstein> Well its a bit of a learning curve...I tried to make some things I did in qcad look sexy in blender...Epic Fail
Oct 30 00:54:21 <metalx1000> haha,  Yeah, Blenders UI is the greatest thing about it but it is also the thing that pushes people away too
Oct 30 00:54:33 <Bryanstein> Of course I have the mind set that every ui should be intuitive enough for anyone to figure it out...so I never read any howto's
Oct 30 00:55:31 <metalx1000> The thing about Blender is that the UI is like nothing you have every used before.  But, once you learn it you wonder why more programs aren't like it
Oct 30 00:55:55 <metalx1000> there is no other GUi that customizable
Oct 30 00:56:48 <Bryanstein> last I remember cinelerra would crash horribly on oggs
Oct 30 00:57:32 <Bryanstein> been a while since I used it...for a bit I was all about it...I think I should see how the progress has been on it
Oct 30 00:57:50 <Bryanstein> what other channel you guys use #mel? or something
Oct 30 00:58:42 <metalx1000> Gun_Smoke and I spend a lot of time in #menlug
Oct 30 00:58:53 <metalx1000> most the time it's just he two of us
Oct 30 00:59:08 <metalx1000> there are 2 other guy who drop by every once and awhile
Oct 30 00:59:13 <Gun_Smoke> :) for now, paul is around from time to time.
Oct 30 01:01:29 <Bryanstein> Gun_Smoke, btw the kernels are around 2MB for this thing 1.8M 2009-10-29 19:04 uImage
Oct 30 01:02:32 <Bryanstein> I did a make -j hoping it would build the modules fast and not die...well it started to choke
Oct 30 01:02:39 <Bryanstein> oom jumped all over it
Oct 30 01:02:44 <Bryanstein> Oom
Oct 30 01:03:16 <Bryanstein> the system went up to near 9 watts
Oct 30 01:03:47 <Gun_Smoke> lol.. :)
Oct 30 01:04:14 <Bryanstein> its pushing 7 now with make -j 12
Oct 30 01:04:25 <Gun_Smoke> well I read that this time next year there will dual cores available. that should speed things up :)
Oct 30 01:04:34 <Gun_Smoke> I'd just set them to build over night.
Oct 30 01:04:41 <Bryanstein> sd and network going with X forwarding on
Oct 30 01:05:01 <Bryanstein> well I did that the other day and it was quite fast...but as I add all those modules I MIGHT use...
Oct 30 01:05:19 <Bryanstein> it takes longer...the kernel itself was only 60 minutes to build
Oct 30 01:05:39 <Gun_Smoke> Who do you email to help shipping along?
Oct 30 01:05:55 <Bryanstein> don't email anyone...get on the horn
Oct 30 01:05:56 <Gun_Smoke> oddly enough, they are probably lurking in here.
Oct 30 01:06:19 <Bryanstein> lol no there are 2 females that sound just alike...you think they are the same person but they aren't
Oct 30 01:06:59 <Bryanstein> I could have gotten a bunch if I knew people were wanting them that bad
Oct 30 01:07:26 <Gun_Smoke> I don't even remember seeing a notice that they would delay shipping 2-3 weeks... Then the confirmation email showed up saying just that..
Oct 30 01:07:33 <Bryanstein> then we could make an arm cluster to solve the words woes
Oct 30 01:07:49 <Bryanstein> Ohhhh I was going to ask you if they were doing that now
Oct 30 01:08:54 <Bryanstein> how much did you pay for shipping?
Oct 30 01:08:58 <Gun_Smoke> You know they probably do that so you don't find a close substitute ready to be shipped.
Oct 30 01:09:02 <Gun_Smoke> like $11
Oct 30 01:09:28 <Bryanstein> I paid for next day on a plug that was back ordered the first time...which was kinda pointless
Oct 30 01:09:29 <Gun_Smoke> Cheapest option, Fed-Ex ground.
Oct 30 01:09:47 <Bryanstein> I didn't see that little notice...it was the first notice they put up
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