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Nov 30 15:32:07 <Kebianizao|work> Hello
Nov 30 15:32:31 <Kebianizao|work> anyone successfull building and running mainline u-boot?
Nov 30 20:17:48 <Comete> hi
Nov 30 20:18:41 <Comete> i've just ordered for a Sheevaplug and i'm like a child :) can't wait...
Nov 30 20:19:34 <Comete> do you know if Netbsd 5.0.1 or OpenBSD 4.6 is supported ?
Nov 30 20:21:55 <armin76> Comete: don't think so, it needs a special kernel, doesn't it?
Nov 30 20:35:58 <chemicaloliver> Comete: there is a thread somewhere about netbsd which suggests the kernel doesn't work, it came up whne I googled
Nov 30 20:36:19 <chemicaloliver> freebsd allegedly works according to the wiki
Nov 30 20:42:01 <Comete> i don't like freebsd
Nov 30 20:42:56 <PhotoJim> Comete: it's that or Linux right now, unless you want to be a NetBSD/OpenBSD/InsertNameOfBSD developer :)
Nov 30 20:42:58 <Comete> it's a really cool OS but lacks some good tools to manage packages easily
Nov 30 20:43:44 <PhotoJim> depends on the Linux
Nov 30 20:43:53 <PhotoJim> unless you mean FreeBSD
Nov 30 20:44:08 <Comete> PhotoJim: i talk about FreeBSD
Nov 30 20:44:51 <Comete> PhotoJim: Linux is nice for desktop but i want to use the Sheevaplug as a server
Nov 30 20:49:31 <PhotoJim> Linux is excellent at serving, actually.
Nov 30 20:49:37 <PhotoJim> Install it without a GUI.
Nov 30 20:54:27 <Comete> PhotoJim: yes but the only distro i like has no ARM support.
Nov 30 20:54:42 * PhotoJim shrugs
Nov 30 20:54:50 <PhotoJim> lots of distros work on it... and more are coming
Nov 30 20:54:58 <PhotoJim> so you'll either have to pick one that works now, or wait
Nov 30 20:55:10 <PhotoJim> Debian and Ubuntu work... Slackware works.  I believe Fedora works.
Nov 30 20:55:22 <PhotoJim> I use Debian on mine, I didn't do a lot of research into alternatives.
Nov 30 20:55:45 <Comete> i will run slackware if NetBSD current development version doesn't work
Nov 30 20:56:39 <Comete> PhotoJim: do you boot your OS on a SD card ?
Nov 30 20:57:35 <PhotoJim> No, I use a hard disk via USB.
Nov 30 20:57:43 <PhotoJim> I use my Sheeva as an offsite backup device, so I needed a big disk anyway.
Nov 30 21:38:32 <Comete> thanks for the answers
Nov 30 21:38:37 <Comete> bye !
Nov 30 22:42:04 * morfic wishes it was tomorrow night already
Nov 30 23:26:33 <MarkGil> hi, Debian base seems to want to use rsyslogd, which is consuming vast amounts of memory on my Sheevaplug, for something that provides a trivial function. Is there a better replacement, or a way of making rsyslogd leaner? 30MB of memory for an event logger on an embedded system is not great
Nov 30 23:27:19 <MarkGil> I read that I can use ulimit to restrice how much memory rsyslog can use, but I don't know how to use it, and the man page is confusing.
Nov 30 23:49:00 <ShadowJK> when things exceed their ulimit they get killed
Nov 30 23:50:43 <MarkGil> Is there a better syslog that rsync, that just does the minimum?
Nov 30 23:51:19 <ShadowJK> rsync isn't a syslog daemon
Nov 30 23:51:39 <ShadowJK> rsyslog on my fullblown debian server seems to only be 1952 kbyte anyway..
Nov 30 23:52:11 <ShadowJK> still more than double "syslog"'s 700kbyte on my ubuntu plug
Nov 30 23:52:44 <MarkGil> sorry, rsyslog, not sure why I typed rsync, it's late
Nov 30 23:53:43 <MarkGil> it's not so much the size on flash, but the memory usage.  It's using 30MB of memory, and it's only a event logger, most of which I don't log anyway, to prevent it wearing out my flash
Nov 30 23:53:53 <ShadowJK> Yes I quoted memory use
Nov 30 23:59:39 <MarkGil> 3x threads using 8MB each: http://pastebin.com/m3667fa25
Dec 01 00:00:02 <MarkGil> same as here http://kb.monitorware.com/memory-requirements-for-rsyslog-t8892.html#p15187
Dec 01 00:01:33 <MarkGil> but it doesn't say HOW they reduced the stack memory usaging using ulimt :-( and my Linux skills are not good enough (or my googling ones)
Dec 01 00:01:40 <ShadowJK> how big is the RSS?
Dec 01 00:06:54 <ShadowJK> the stack pages are going to be allocate-on-first-use anyway, so the 8M per stack mmap isn't going to actually consume 8M unless the threads actually use 8M stack..
Dec 01 00:08:26 <MarkGil> RSS?
Dec 01 00:11:24 <ShadowJK> the RSS column in 'ps aux' or 'top' output
Dec 01 00:15:26 <MarkGil> is ps aux showing RSS as Kb?
Dec 01 00:15:30 <MarkGil> as it shows 27296
Dec 01 00:22:48 <Erant>  1008 root      40   0 27420 1344  940 S  0.0  0.3   0:25.01 rsyslogd
Dec 01 00:22:53 <Erant> 1.3MB for me.
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