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Jan 11 15:40:46 <zoran> after reading buffers of this channel, I would ask what kind of port mapper brandano needs in fact? the best kind of it is nmap, if I understand the task properly.
Jan 11 17:18:07 <rektide> so angry
Jan 11 17:18:14 <rektide> samba still crashes my openrd
Jan 11 17:18:30 <rektide> writing files via samba
Jan 11 17:18:47 <rektide> havent yet gotten it to generate any kind of errors, it just locks up
Jan 11 17:19:10 <rektide> i dont know the first thing about debugging the kernel, but that appears two be in my not distant future
Jan 11 18:14:11 <rektide> debian, on 2.6.32.  i also tried compiling the deb-src on the openrd.... two hours of compiling and still no diff
Jan 11 18:15:00 <eFfeM-home> Fabian6: ping
Jan 11 18:15:41 <eFfeM-home> Fabian6: saw your msg on the openrd list.
Jan 11 18:15:53 <eFfeM-home> It could be that your x config is different
Jan 11 18:37:33 <MarkGi> Hi, got a weird Linux prob, hoping a guru might be able to help.  I moved my /var of my nand filesystem to sdcard (to keep a nice buffer of free space).  Some applications occasionally whinge for example when I run screen after it reboot, it says that /var/run/screen needs to be chmod to 777 (which I do, and it works, after a reboot it needs doing again).  Weird?
Jan 11 18:48:10 <Fabian6> eFfeM-home: pong
Jan 11 18:48:23 <Fabian6> bootlogo is blurry too
Jan 11 18:49:49 <eFfeM-home> hm, that is odd, for me the bootlogo was ok as far as I recall, the openembedded image does not have a boot logo
Jan 11 18:51:15 <Fabian6> my bad
Jan 11 18:51:18 <eFfeM-home> Fabian6: are you on auto res
Jan 11 18:51:18 <Fabian6> there is nog bootlogo
Jan 11 18:51:40 <Fabian6> but the black screen is blurry too :)
Jan 11 18:51:53 <eFfeM-home>  
Jan 11 18:52:46 <eFfeM-home>  one sec
Jan 11 18:53:25 <Fabian6> black screen has white 'jitters' too without X running.
Jan 11 18:53:41 <Fabian6> i think it's on 1280x1024@60Hz by default
Jan 11 18:54:21 <eFfeM-home> was trying to find out mine, x is running but i get no visual any more, will reboot, takes a minute
Jan 11 18:57:02 <eFfeM-home> my monitor when starting up says 1024x768@60hz not sure if that is the default, as soon as I get picture it is 1280x1024@75.2
Jan 11 18:57:08 <eFfeM-home> that is what ti tells me
Jan 11 18:57:22 <eFfeM-home> you could try setting the moni to 75 hz
Jan 11 18:57:45 <Fabian6> hm
Jan 11 18:57:49 <Fabian6> X won't let me
Jan 11 18:58:06 <Fabian6> it's on 800x600@60Hz right now
Jan 11 18:58:47 <Fabian6> are there any major differences compared to the stock kernel ?
Jan 11 18:59:08 <eFfeM-home> not really, I am reusing the x settings from the .22 kernel (did you try x with that one?)
Jan 11 18:59:18 <Fabian6> jup
Jan 11 18:59:22 <Fabian6> stock kernel works fine
Jan 11 18:59:27 <Fabian6> both shell and X
Jan 11 18:59:47 <Fabian6> jitters begin when the kernel is loaded
Jan 11 19:00:32 <eFfeM-home> here is my xorg.conf
Jan 11 19:00:46 <eFfeM-home> as far as i understood from Tanmay this is the very same driver
Jan 11 19:00:59 <Fabian6> screen receives no signal until after Ucompressing linux.  the de screen comes up (stays black now without the bootlogo) and starts jittering
Jan 11 19:01:33 <Fabian6> i'm having the same issues with the uImage.openrd from the developers CD
Jan 11 19:01:43 <Fabian6> only the stock kernel works
Jan 11 19:01:58 <Fabian6> it's not an X issue
Jan 11 19:02:06 <eFfeM-home> yeah for some reason in OE someone decided that the bootlogo is always off, it overrides the logo even if you specify it in the x config
Jan 11 19:02:29 <eFfeM-home> the only thing that could be different is u-boot
Jan 11 19:02:30 <Fabian6> bootlogo in the x config ? :) that isn't even loaded until after init
Jan 11 19:02:42 <Fabian6> i mean the kernel bootlogo
Jan 11 19:02:47 <Fabian6> small penguin
Jan 11 19:02:56 <eFfeM-home> bootlogo in kernel, that is off in openembedded kernels
Jan 11 19:03:13 <Fabian6> http://groups.google.com/group/openrd/browse_thread/thread/9432b69171a15629
Jan 11 19:03:18 <Fabian6> kernel in last post works for me
Jan 11 19:03:55 <eFfeM-home> my u-boot is U-Boot 1.1.4 (Apr 22 2009 - 20:18:28) Marvell version: 3.4.16
Jan 11 19:04:26 <Fabian6> U-Boot 1.1.4 (Apr 22 2009 - 20:18:28) Marvell version: 3.4.16
Jan 11 19:04:42 <eFfeM-home> same ...
Jan 11 19:05:04 <Fabian6> i was trying a new kernel becouse of disappointing results in X
Jan 11 19:05:08 <Fabian6> 100% cpu and such
Jan 11 19:05:40 <eFfeM-home> i needed a newer kernel, just applied the patch
Jan 11 19:06:10 <eFfeM-home> you might want to compare the sources from the url above and the one from Tanmay
Jan 11 19:06:17 <eFfeM-home> and/or maybe he can help
Jan 11 19:06:25 <eFfeM-home> actually out of ideas right now
Jan 11 19:06:25 <Fabian6> if X-speed doesn't improve with a newer kernel
Jan 11 19:06:30 <Fabian6> i'll just go back to the stock kernel
Jan 11 19:07:14 <eFfeM-home> mihgt be a matter of initialisation
Jan 11 19:07:34 <eFfeM-home> btw do you get X if you cold boot the board without a monitor being connected
Jan 11 19:07:47 <Fabian6> i'll try
Jan 11 19:07:59 <Fabian6> so monitor disconnected
Jan 11 19:08:03 <Fabian6> hard power cycle
Jan 11 19:08:07 <Fabian6> off
Jan 11 19:08:11 <Fabian6> on
Jan 11 19:08:27 <eFfeM-home> how do you test x speed ?
Jan 11 19:09:43 <Fabian6> GNOME started, firefox is started
Jan 11 19:09:45 <Fabian6> reconnecting monitor
Jan 11 19:09:54 <Fabian6> jup, up
Jan 11 19:09:57 <Fabian6> (with jitters)
Jan 11 19:10:17 <Fabian6> i'm not realy testing. just clicking around
Jan 11 19:10:30 <Fabian6> it sucks gevoelsmatig ;)
Jan 11 19:10:58 <eFfeM-home> for me cold boot with no monitor = no X
Jan 11 19:11:15 <eFfeM-home> guess there is something fishy wrt initialisation
Jan 11 19:11:28 <Fabian6> different chipsets/releases ?
Jan 11 19:13:21 <Fabian6> it's not a buggy monitor ?
Jan 11 19:13:42 <eFfeM-home> could be or regs taht are not really properly intiialised and not always have the same defaults
Jan 11 19:14:20 <Fabian6> ubuut regs ?
Jan 11 19:14:33 <eFfeM-home> or device regs that are dangling
Jan 11 19:14:41 <Fabian6> just set all my env settings back to default
Jan 11 19:15:02 <eFfeM-home> if you have one you could try a differnt monitor (i'
Jan 11 19:15:18 <Fabian6> already tried to different tft's
Jan 11 19:15:21 <eFfeM-home> btw i am using an iiyama 24"
Jan 11 19:15:22 <Fabian6> differend models/makes
Jan 11 19:15:43 <Fabian6> dell 24",  or benq 17-somthing 16:9 screen for testing
Jan 11 19:16:11 <Fabian6> what are you using your openrd for ?
Jan 11 19:16:47 <eFfeM-home> just playing, little bit nas related functionaltiy
Jan 11 19:17:10 <Fabian6> so you don't realy need x ;)
Jan 11 19:17:38 <eFfeM-home> no, not really, perhaps i want to have a browser at some point in time
Jan 11 19:18:27 <eFfeM-home> did a diff between the url above and the patch from Tanmay, there is an additional line in vb_setmode.c in the one from the post above and some different initialisation in vb_table.h
Jan 11 19:18:33 <eFfeM-home> afk for 10-15 mins
Jan 11 19:27:57 <Fabian6> 3rd monitor connected
Jan 11 19:27:58 <Fabian6> same result
Jan 11 19:38:22 <eFfeM-home> back
Jan 11 19:39:20 <Fabian6> wb ;)
Jan 11 19:40:30 <eFfeM-home> here is the diff between the old version (from aug or so) and the one from Tanmay: http://www.pastebin.ca/1747287
Jan 11 19:42:08 <Fabian6> hm
Jan 11 19:42:16 <Fabian6> i'm going to boot my compilebox again
Jan 11 19:42:56 <Fabian6> btw, should it be possible to output a non standard resolution like 640x360 @60 or 50Hz ?
Jan 11 19:44:37 <eFfeM-home> i've no idea
Jan 11 19:45:15 <eFfeM-home> you could try to use the diff and change the differing lines from Tanmay's patch back to Chong's version and see if that helps
Jan 11 19:45:59 <eFfeM-home> btw if i may ask: where do you live ?
Jan 11 19:46:06 <Fabian6> hilversum
Jan 11 19:46:57 <Fabian6> why ? :)
Jan 11 19:47:15 <eFfeM-home> too far :-)
Jan 11 19:47:29 <Fabian6> from?
Jan 11 19:47:38 <eFfeM-home> i noticed you were from NL ": it sucks gevoelsmatig ;)" and also from your pic
Jan 11 19:47:43 <Fabian6> ;)
Jan 11 19:48:08 <eFfeM-home> I also live in NL, if you were closer to me we could perhaps meet and compare hw or so
Jan 11 19:48:25 <eFfeM-home> but I live near the Belgian border, sw of Eindhoven
Jan 11 19:48:54 <Fabian6> too bad. i'm also in groningen very often
Jan 11 19:48:59 <Fabian6> but that doesn't help ;)
Jan 11 19:49:06 <eFfeM-home> not really
Jan 11 19:49:32 <Fabian6> i'm going to use this openrd as carpc
Jan 11 19:49:33 <eFfeM-home> i've also posted the diffs to the mailing list, let's see if Tanmay picks up things
Jan 11 19:49:44 <eFfeM-home> oh cool
Jan 11 19:49:46 <Fabian6> displaying buienradar and others to my indash screen
Jan 11 19:50:17 <Fabian6> for which a vga break-in box is availible, but it's "16:9 VGA"
Jan 11 19:50:21 <Fabian6> so not 640x480
Jan 11 19:50:54 <eFfeM-home> ah ok, was about to suggest ldvs or dvi
Jan 11 19:51:00 <eFfeM-home> not with openrd though
Jan 11 19:51:28 <Fabian6> i have to work with the volvo indash screen, so i'm limitted to vga or composite video
Jan 11 19:52:01 <Fabian6> just read one of your post, also mentioning X speed and 100% CPU
Jan 11 19:52:12 <Fabian6> is there some lightweight X availible ?
Jan 11 19:52:16 <Fabian6> i only need to run firefox
Jan 11 19:52:31 <eFfeM-home> no idea, i'm not really into x
Jan 11 19:52:44 <eFfeM-home> btw if you want lightweight perhaps better look at midori browser
Jan 11 19:53:09 <Fabian6> it's X that is hogging up all the cpu cycles, not firefox :)
Jan 11 19:54:14 <eFfeM-home> is X at 100-% or so ?
Jan 11 19:55:04 <eFfeM-home> my system is now displayign the login screen, x takes < 1% cpu load
Jan 11 19:55:18 <Fabian6>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
Jan 11 19:55:18 <Fabian6>  1637 root      20   0 23132 9760 3884 R 99.9  1.9  27:50.26 X
Jan 11 19:55:18 <Fabian6>  1925 root      20   0  2524 1140  916 R  0.3  0.2   0:00.05 top
Jan 11 19:55:45 <eFfeM-home> better get my image :-)
Jan 11 19:55:56 <eFfeM-home> it is based upon openembedded
Jan 11 19:56:33 <Fabian6> your rootfs image ?
Jan 11 20:00:28 <eFfeM-home> well it is not really a straightforward image, but there is an angstrom builder  that can give you a better image
Jan 11 20:00:37 <eFfeM-home> not sure if it is fully working for client, was about to test taht
Jan 11 20:01:02 <Fabian6> i'll try to get a working screen again first ;)
Jan 11 20:03:00 <eFfeM-home> good plan
Jan 11 20:03:14 <eFfeM-home> feel free to ping or mail me if you further want to discuss things
Jan 11 20:03:30 <Fabian6> tnx!, would be nice if both issues are fixed at the same time :)
Jan 11 20:03:35 <timtimred> hmm, wonder when those new plugs are available
Jan 11 20:03:54 <eFfeM-home> no info yet afaik guess it can take several months
Jan 11 20:04:05 <Fabian6> your no image on disconnected monitor thingy
Jan 11 20:04:13 <timtimred> rabeeh - any idea there?
Jan 11 21:12:56 <eFfeM-home> is there a place to download a u-boot binary for openrd client with sd support, plugcomputer only seems to have src
Jan 11 21:27:51 <aholler> if anyone is interested, I've just got fw_setenv running (cfg = dockstar ~ pogoplug): http://fpaste.org/IS0t/
Jan 11 21:31:58 <aholler> uups, that cfg was the testing one, that is the correct one: http://fpaste.org/rIKA/
Jan 11 21:38:36 <eFfeM-home> calling it a day, cya
Jan 11 21:38:45 <aholler> the diff is against fw_env found in pogoplug-u-boot-1.1.4.tgz
Jan 11 22:58:57 <materdaddy> is wordpress too much for a sheevaplug to run?  I know computingplugs.org runs on a sheevaplug and seems to run well, so it handles mediawiki well.
Jan 11 22:59:46 * christoph_debian would bet it can run wordpress
Jan 11 22:59:51 <materdaddy> Reason I ask... I have apache running with wordpress on my tonidoplug (technically a sheevaplug) and it runs horribly slow.  I don't think it's just from the tonido software running, as it seems my CPU is idle w/o accessing it, however apache eats the CPU and goes to crap when I start accessing wordpress
Jan 11 23:01:08 <Chunky_Ks> I thought that's wordpress' MO
Jan 11 23:01:27 <Chunky_Ks> but sarcasm aside, I suspect there's something bad going on, because 1.3GHz is plenty to run wordpress
Jan 11 23:01:56 <materdaddy> page loads take around 2 seconds, and my load average goes from .01 to ???
Jan 11 23:02:10 <materdaddy> i'm up to 3.4 load average now (few tabs loading WP pages)
Jan 11 23:02:25 <materdaddy> maybe more like 4 seconds per page load
Jan 11 23:02:25 <Chunky_Ks> oh
Jan 11 23:02:30 <Chunky_Ks> that might be disk throughput
Jan 11 23:02:35 <Chunky_Ks> are you storing the database on the NAND?
Jan 11 23:02:40 <Chunky_Ks> [if you are, stop it. that's bad]
Jan 11 23:02:47 <materdaddy> no, booting and running via USB hard drive
Jan 11 23:03:02 <Chunky_Ks> ahkay
Jan 11 23:03:10 <Chunky_Ks> maybe still suffering throughput problems?
Jan 11 23:03:21 <Chunky_Ks> ok, well, step back
Jan 11 23:03:25 <materdaddy> a 500Gb seagate...
Jan 11 23:03:25 <Chunky_Ks> when you have a high load average
Jan 11 23:03:36 <Chunky_Ks> do you have processes burning a lot of CPU ?
Jan 11 23:03:48 <Chunky_Ks> or do you have very little CPU usage but a high load average?
Jan 11 23:03:50 <materdaddy> well, high load average means it's not waiting on IO though right? that means using the CPU
Jan 11 23:03:57 <Chunky_Ks> No necessarily
Jan 11 23:04:09 <Chunky_Ks> high load average can often be caused by bad IO throughput
Jan 11 23:04:14 <materdaddy> when the load average goes up, it's from apache burning CPU... normally (when load average is low) the cpu is listed as about 95% idle in top
Jan 11 23:04:34 <Chunky_Ks> ok. You probably need to figure out what's burning up the CPU and make it stop, because that's not normal
Jan 11 23:05:04 <materdaddy> when i start hitting apache, apache jumps up to 50% (per thread) when 2 threads are up there (i.e. 2 connections), basically however many apache threads end up being used, eat the CPU up to 100%
Jan 11 23:05:10 <materdaddy> but even when it's only 1, it's slow
Jan 11 23:06:49 <materdaddy> let me re-phrase that last sentence for clarity.  when it's only one apache thread running, the page-load is slow, and the CPU usage is ~100%
Jan 11 23:07:21 <materdaddy> but now, sitting idle, CPU=98% idle.... how can i test disk throughput? hdparm?
Jan 11 23:07:58 <Chunky_Ks> it's ok, if you're literally seeing apache using 100% cpu usage, then it's unlikely to be the io problem
Jan 11 23:08:08 <Chunky_Ks> I would suggest googling for wordpress high cpu usage problems
Jan 11 23:08:22 <materdaddy> ok, thanks!
Jan 11 23:08:41 <materdaddy> also, isn't bogomips supposed to be twice the CPU?
Jan 11 23:09:00 <materdaddy> cat /proc/cpuinfo
Jan 11 23:09:00 <materdaddy> Processor       : Feroceon 88FR131 rev 1 (v5l)
Jan 11 23:09:00 <materdaddy> BogoMIPS        : 1192.75
Jan 11 23:09:30 <materdaddy> or am i used to dual core machines?
Jan 11 23:09:40 <Chunky_Ks> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BogoMips
Jan 11 23:09:47 <materdaddy> (reading now..)
Jan 11 23:09:59 <Chunky_Ks> "the number of million times per second a processor can do absolutely nothing"
Jan 11 23:10:28 <Chunky_Ks> so, "yes". It's because you're used to dual core machines, which can do twice as much nothing in the same amount of time
Jan 11 23:11:14 <materdaddy> yeah, thanks for the link & education, and not just giving me the "RTFM" answer I actually expected
Jan 11 23:11:23 <Chunky_Ks> haha
Jan 11 23:11:27 <Chunky_Ks> well, you have a legitimate question
Jan 11 23:11:54 <Chunky_Ks> and load average isn't necessarily just "my CPU is too crispy", it can be caused by other things
Jan 11 23:12:13 <Chunky_Ks> in your case ,it just sounds like a common wordpress-eats-too-much-cpu problem
Jan 11 23:12:15 <materdaddy> oh wow, looks like i'm not alone: http://www.google.com/search?q=wordpress+high+cpu+usage
Jan 11 23:12:23 <materdaddy> yes it does seem like that's the case!
Jan 11 23:12:54 <materdaddy> i have always run it on machines with much more power and never had problems... now I know why there's so much work done for caching plugins and PHP caching in the wordpress realm
Jan 11 23:16:41 <materdaddy> well, looks like I have some homework on caching, not only the wordpress side of things, but even mysql! thanks for all the help Chunky_Ks
Jan 11 23:17:14 <Chunky_Ks> welcome
Jan 11 23:18:14 <materdaddy> this is an even better google: http://www.google.com/search?q=wordpress+%27digg+effect%27
Jan 11 23:21:59 <materdaddy> anybody have any more info about the new sheevaplugs i've seen some CES posts about?
Jan 11 23:22:08 <materdaddy> i want to know when they're expected to ship and how much!!! :D
Jan 11 23:22:44 <Chunky_Ks> don't know and don't know
Jan 11 23:22:47 <Chunky_Ks> as in
Jan 11 23:22:51 <Chunky_Ks> the design isn't finalised
Jan 11 23:23:06 <Chunky_Ks> only 150 have been produced [which in manufacturing is a close approximation of zero]
Jan 11 23:23:28 <Chunky_Ks> the price isn't finalised because there's some bbeefy stuff not decided
Jan 11 23:23:38 <Chunky_Ks> the prototype picture you've probably seen with a metal ring around the outside
Jan 11 23:23:50 <Chunky_Ks> that ring is a heatsink because no-one knew how much heat the 2GHz chip would produce
Jan 11 23:23:55 <Chunky_Ks> turns out to not produce that much
Jan 11 23:24:07 <Chunky_Ks> but that much metal, to machine or cast, is expensive
Jan 11 23:24:31 <materdaddy> oh wow
Jan 11 23:24:44 <Chunky_Ks> next insurmountable question?
Jan 11 23:24:48 <materdaddy> i've seen 2 pictures... 1 that looks like a coffin, and 1 that looks like a space ship
Jan 11 23:24:58 <materdaddy> lol, how do you know that much? work for marvell?
Jan 11 23:25:00 <Chunky_Ks> the coffin one
Jan 11 23:25:11 <Chunky_Ks> http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=1200.0
Jan 11 23:25:14 <materdaddy> i like it :D
Jan 11 23:25:32 <Chunky_Ks> I know a lot because I spent a *lot* of time talking with the ionics guys
Jan 11 23:25:53 <materdaddy> ah
Jan 11 23:26:46 <materdaddy> omg, i need to get that running!  i'm an avid off-roader and have been trying to figure out how to get my chumby doing something cool like this... any thoughts of doing this real-time instead of plotting it on google earth afterwards? :D
Jan 11 23:27:01 <Chunky_Ks> heh.
Jan 11 23:27:07 <Chunky_Ks> I have a crappy gui [look at the front page]
Jan 11 23:27:13 <Chunky_Ks> It still logs stuff
Jan 11 23:27:17 <Chunky_Ks> but it also spams dbus
Jan 11 23:27:30 <Chunky_Ks> and if you launch via popen or similar, you can read and parse stdout
Jan 11 23:27:43 <Chunky_Ks> so if you want to do real-time display, the toosl are there
Jan 11 23:27:46 <materdaddy> nice
Jan 11 23:27:53 <Chunky_Ks> [look at my webpage and you can see screenshots of the shoddy gui]
Jan 11 23:28:01 <materdaddy> yeah, just pulled it up
Jan 11 23:31:13 <Chunky_Ks> if you have questions or suggestions or anything, don't hesitate to ask
Jan 11 23:31:19 <Chunky_Ks> I'm happy to talk about stuff :-)
Jan 11 23:38:25 <materdaddy> thanks a ton!
Jan 11 23:44:59 <Chunky_Ks> welcome :-)
Jan 12 00:02:23 <materdaddy> so what did you win? i guess I didn't really keep up on the CES/marvell/sheevaplug thing... i was sick all last week
Jan 12 00:02:37 <materdaddy> just the chance to hang out with some of the marvell developers?
Jan 12 00:02:58 <materdaddy> i work with a bunch of software developers (and am one myself)... doesn't sound like too much of a prize... lol
Jan 12 00:03:43 <materdaddy> oh, nm, i see you got a new ionics plug! very cool!
Jan 12 02:00:14 <rektide> fuck a new kernel crash.
Jan 12 02:00:27 <rektide> tried checking out samba via git
Jan 12 02:03:04 <rektide> are there any watchdog drivers i can enable?
Jan 12 02:03:13 <rektide> watchdog devices*
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