**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 25 02:59:57 2010
Jan 25 06:45:28 <cemc> pfein: with the sheevainstaller?
Jan 25 16:34:51 <pfein> cemc: yeah, got it to work tho... built my own openocd (0.3.1)
Jan 25 16:47:51 <cemc> pfein: I just replaced the one in the installed with my 64bit one (installed from package, on ubuntu)
Jan 25 16:48:33 <cemc> or I just changed the path in the runme.php file
Jan 25 19:36:51 <phaidros> hm, I have put squeeze on the plug. what module should be loaded for getting the sd running?
Jan 25 19:36:57 <phaidros> it doesn't show in dmesg ..
Jan 25 19:40:41 <phaidros> from the ubuntu before I remember the SD being /dev/mmcblk1 or alike
Jan 25 19:40:45 <phaidros> not on debian.
Jan 25 19:40:47 <phaidros> any hints?
Jan 25 19:41:18 <cemc> hm, I have squeeze on the plug too, installed directly to SD
Jan 25 19:41:23 <cemc> had no problems
Jan 25 19:41:48 <ptman> cemc, where did you get a fast SD-card? I can't seem to find any
Jan 25 19:42:24 <ptman> therefore I'm planning to install on the internal flash, and would like to install on ubifs
Jan 25 19:42:27 <cemc> ptman: not sure what you mean by fast :) had a class 6 kingston something in my pda, I used that
Jan 25 19:42:44 <cemc> 4GB
Jan 25 19:42:52 <phaidros> cemc: ic, so does your lsmod say anything 'bout any module regarding sd?
Jan 25 19:42:56 <ptman> but installing on internal or installing on ubifs are both unsupported for the debian installer (I'm guessing that's what you used)
Jan 25 19:43:15 <phaidros> ptman: I used the installer script from the forums. worked like a charme. on internal flash
Jan 25 19:43:32 <cemc> ptman: yes. but you can build your own rootfs, and use sheevainstaller to install it, but that's trickier I think
Jan 25 19:43:44 <cemc> I installed an arm guest in qemu, and built on that :)
Jan 25 19:43:54 <phaidros> lol, nice idea :)
Jan 25 19:43:55 <ptman> phaidros, I'm having trouble following the leads, there seems to be so many pages none of which seem to contain all the information
Jan 25 19:44:01 <cemc> but didn't try to install it on the plug, d-i was enough
Jan 25 19:44:17 <ptman> I've used a script called DebianSheeva-1.5.sh to generate a debian squeeze rootfs
Jan 25 19:44:20 <phaidros> ptman: I agree, it was a jungle .. sadly I didn't write up notes to a working howto :/
Jan 25 19:44:25 <ptman> now I'll have to get it flashed
Jan 25 19:44:37 <phaidros> the sheeva_plug_installer something script does that for you
Jan 25 19:44:39 <cemc> ptman: if you have the rootfs, maybe you can try with sheevainstaller script
Jan 25 19:44:46 <cemc> yea
Jan 25 19:44:52 <phaidros> just replace the fedora rootfs with your generated one
Jan 25 19:45:02 <cemc> it 'should' work ;)
Jan 25 19:45:06 <phaidros> it did for me :)
Jan 25 19:45:11 <ptman> cemc, that's my plan, to use sheevainstaller, but it's documentation isn't tidy and in one place
Jan 25 19:45:26 <cemc> ptman: unpack, php ./runme.php :)
Jan 25 19:45:38 <phaidros> ptman: in the package you downloaded was a rootfs file.
Jan 25 19:45:48 <phaidros> just replace that with your new rootfs (afair)
Jan 25 19:45:50 <ptman> cemc, was it really that easy?
Jan 25 19:46:06 <cemc> ptman: for ubuntu it was
Jan 25 19:46:06 <ptman> the readme goes on and on about things to do
Jan 25 19:46:19 <ptman> but I can't stand ubuntu, I need debian =)
Jan 25 19:46:37 <ptman> well, I'll give it a try
Jan 25 19:46:53 <cemc> do the rootfs, unpack the shevvapluginstaller tar.gz, and change the rootfs file, you'll find it
Jan 25 19:46:59 <cemc> replace it with yours
Jan 25 19:47:10 <cemc> then try running php ./runme.php. what system are you on ?
Jan 25 19:47:16 <ptman> debian
Jan 25 19:47:33 <phaidros> hm, I just didn't want to mess my uptime. but it seems I hafta reboot for getting the SD card .. grml
Jan 25 19:47:53 <cemc> hm
Jan 25 19:47:55 <cemc> strange
Jan 25 19:48:10 <cemc> phaidros: how did you install it again?
Jan 25 19:48:27 <cemc> ptman: should work fairly easy that runme.php then
Jan 25 19:48:39 <phaidros> just sheeva installer with own rootfs to get debian onto the flash
Jan 25 19:48:58 <phaidros> I think, I never checked SD sinde then :/
Jan 25 19:49:00 <phaidros> since
Jan 25 19:49:20 <cemc> phaidros: I don't think the kernel does not have support for it
Jan 25 19:49:30 <cemc> what does it say when you plug it in ?
Jan 25 19:49:33 <phaidros> but as dmesg not telling anything, i think it is a not loaded module. but which o.O
Jan 25 19:49:39 <phaidros> cemc: notting
Jan 25 19:49:43 <cemc> hm
Jan 25 19:49:50 <cemc> I have mmc_core, mmc_block
Jan 25 19:49:58 <cemc> and mvsdio
Jan 25 19:50:57 <phaidros> irks, not in the list of loadable modules ..
Jan 25 19:51:10 <cemc> what kernel is that?
Jan 25 19:51:19 <phaidros> so either I don't have then, or they are built in. which makes it more complicated :/
Jan 25 19:51:21 <cemc> the one from the sheevapluginstaller?
Jan 25 19:51:36 <ptman> bah, I'm on 64-bit, that is apparently 32
Jan 25 19:51:37 <phaidros> Linux core 2.6.30.2 #11 PREEMPT Wed Jul 22 19:53:31 MDT 2009 armv5tel GNU/Linux
Jan 25 19:51:46 <cemc> ptman: shouldn't be a problem
Jan 25 19:51:58 <cemc> ptman: just install openocd with apt-get, and change the path in the php file
Jan 25 19:51:59 <phaidros> could be that a newer kernel is a good idea?
Jan 25 19:51:59 <ptman> it is for the shared libraries
Jan 25 19:52:14 <ptman> oh, that might be worth a try
Jan 25 19:52:26 <cemc> ptman: so it uses the openocd from debian, instead of the one in the tar.gz
Jan 25 19:52:34 <cemc> that's what I did (on ubuntu)
Jan 25 19:53:17 <cemc> phaidros: that's the kernel from the tar.gz I think, and I pretty much am sure it worked with my card, not 100% sure tho :)
Jan 25 19:53:31 <ptman> cemc, I was going to run it in a 32bit chroot, but that seemed to work as well
Jan 25 19:53:36 <ptman> at least it started flashing
Jan 25 19:53:44 <cemc> I don't believe it doesn't have SD support
Jan 25 19:54:02 <cemc> ptman: that takes about 2 minutes or so
Jan 25 19:54:33 <phaidros> cemc: metoo. so, I gotta boot th epoor thing with ~100 days uptime :/
Jan 25 19:54:53 <cemc> ;)
Jan 25 19:55:01 <cemc> that sucks :)
Jan 25 19:55:08 <phaidros> ack.
Jan 25 19:55:10 <phaidros> done.
Jan 25 19:55:11 <cemc> mine isn't that old yet :)
Jan 25 19:55:12 <phaidros> *sigh*
Jan 25 19:55:28 <phaidros> it is not doing what it should anyways :)
Jan 25 19:55:37 <phaidros> so, how do I just update the kernel btw?
Jan 25 19:55:39 <ptman> cemc, ok, now it comes up with bad magic number, so the kernel flashing apparently didn't go all too well
Jan 25 19:55:47 <phaidros> it is not like apt-get'ting it ..
Jan 25 19:55:52 <phaidros> which annoys me a little :D
Jan 25 19:56:09 <cemc> that's why I stuck with d-i on a SD
Jan 25 19:56:15 <cemc> that installs kernel and everything
Jan 25 19:56:33 <phaidros> ptman: depending on the revision, newer plugs have other numbers. I seem to remember I had to change some of those ...
Jan 25 19:56:53 <ptman> phaidros, numbers where?
Jan 25 19:57:32 <phaidros> imho the memblocks in the bootloader
Jan 25 19:57:50 * phaidros rly can't remember correctly .. half a year ago i did it :(
Jan 25 19:59:06 <phaidros> cemc: irks, it was the card.
Jan 25 19:59:09 <phaidros> d'oh
Jan 25 19:59:16 <phaidros> another one works like a charme :(
Jan 25 19:59:20 <phaidros> boohooo
Jan 25 19:59:30 <cemc> ;)
Jan 25 19:59:39 <cemc> always try the easiest things first :)
Jan 25 19:59:46 <cemc> before rebooting :)
Jan 25 20:00:37 <phaidros> uh, heavy: a nearly unused SD card, and the small plastic things separating the contacts from each other just falling apart .. thats why no contact ..
Jan 25 20:00:40 <phaidros> argh
Jan 25 20:04:26 <phaidros> and now th 16g SD is dead.
Jan 25 20:04:40 <phaidros> there such days ...
Jan 25 20:07:53 <phaidros> ok, taking another on. what fs is best for SD? jff2?
Jan 25 20:09:03 <ptman> phaidros, most SD-cards have controllers that are optimized for FAT32
Jan 25 20:10:30 <cemc> I hope not this one :)
Jan 25 20:10:50 <ptman> cemc, thanks, I tried again, and now I have debian running
Jan 25 20:10:58 <phaidros> ptman: graz!
Jan 25 20:11:06 <ptman> phaidros, and thanks to you also
Jan 25 20:11:19 <phaidros> it seems my sheeva sd card slot eats up sd cards :(
Jan 25 20:11:31 <phaidros> anyone ever opened the plug down to the sd slot?
Jan 25 20:11:47 <cemc> I haven't
Jan 25 20:12:02 <cemc> I don't particularly like the slot though..
Jan 25 20:12:07 <cemc> card sticks out too much
Jan 25 20:15:51 <phaidros> ack
Jan 25 20:17:25 <cemc> it's not a show stopper tho :) I just stashed it under the furniture, don't even see it, hehe
Jan 25 20:19:59 <ShadowJK> jffs2 is optimized for "raw" flash storage... SD hides everything behind a controller
Jan 25 20:20:25 <phaidros> ok, it seems it is *really* one of those days. trying to fdisk the sd card even ends up in kernel panic.
Jan 25 20:20:38 <phaidros> I think I better stop being root for today on *any* machine :D
Jan 25 20:21:02 <phaidros> ShadowJK: so ext3 would be the one for the SD ?
Jan 25 20:21:18 <phaidros> vfat is no useful fs ..
Jan 25 20:21:58 <ShadowJK> probably
Jan 25 20:22:06 <phaidros> kthx
Jan 25 20:22:23 <ShadowJK> btrfs would perform better, probably, but it wasn't stable last time I tested
Jan 25 20:22:41 <ShadowJK> and their "slow SSD" flag might have been removed since I tested it, I haven't followed it too closely..
Jan 25 20:23:00 <cemc> ext3 seems to move ok'ish afai can tell
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