**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 24 03:00:02 2010
Feb 24 15:49:50 <mjl-> does anyone know of separate wear-leveling layers similar to ubi?
Feb 24 15:50:10 <mjl-> i think i have to implement something like that for inferno
Feb 24 15:50:15 <mjl-> so i'm interested in seeing all the options
Feb 24 15:51:11 <mjl-> will also likely have to make a simple file system on top of it (ubifs looks a bit too untrivial to implement casually).  so designs for that are interesting too
Feb 24 16:09:05 <tinker-f595> why reinvent the wheel?
Feb 24 19:10:13 <armin76> guerby: you slacker, convince your sparc guy to use debian so he stops complaining to me :P
Feb 24 19:10:24 <armin76> zumbi: convince him too
Feb 24 19:10:24 <guerby> armin76, LOL
Feb 24 19:10:40 <guerby> armin76, I told him I was using debian on other machines :)
Feb 24 19:11:03 <guerby> with a big hack I managed to build combined c,ada GCC from gcc+gnatgcc
Feb 24 19:11:24 <armin76> sounds fun
Feb 24 19:40:08 <zumbi> guerby: ada for arm on debian?
Feb 24 19:40:52 <guerby> zumbi, the guy armin76 refers too is on sparc and asks for gentoo to support 32/64 biarch
Feb 24 19:41:04 <zumbi> guerby: is the big hack explained somewhere?
Feb 24 19:41:06 <guerby> zumbi, ada for arm-debian is already there
Feb 24 19:41:28 <zumbi> is it in the debian archive? /me checks
Feb 24 19:41:41 <guerby> zumbi, not in the debian archives yet AFAIK
Feb 24 19:41:55 <guerby> but you have to download a binary then recompile
Feb 24 19:42:08 <guerby> takes about a day on a sheevaplug
Feb 24 19:42:14 <guerby> running debian
Feb 24 19:42:16 <zumbi> which binary? libgcc_so?
Feb 24 19:42:25 <guerby> zumbi, let me find out
Feb 24 19:42:44 <zumbi> guerby: i would like to reproduce the build :-)
Feb 24 19:42:52 <guerby> zumbi, instructions here: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2009-09/msg00450.html
Feb 24 19:43:16 <guerby> testresults here: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-testresults/2010-02/msg02297.html
Feb 24 19:43:29 <guerby> zumbi, it should work the same for 4.4 and trunk
Feb 24 19:43:39 <guerby> on trunk I believe the patch has been commited
Feb 24 19:43:47 <guerby> on 4.4 I don't remember
Feb 24 19:43:57 <zumbi> guerby: i think i saw this a while ago... but not yet bootstrapped in debian.. uhmm
Feb 24 19:44:16 <zumbi> guerby: nice :-)
Feb 24 19:44:58 <guerby> zumbi, the exception scheme is setjump/longjump so not very efficient, we still have to implement GNU EABI exceptions properly for Ada to be completely done
Feb 24 19:45:15 <guerby> (for Ada)
Feb 24 19:45:57 <zumbi> yes.. i also read somebody ranting about ada only supported sjlj
Feb 24 19:46:43 <zumbi> i want to setup remote testsuite for cross compilers
Feb 24 19:46:44 <guerby> zumbi, on arm yes. But that gives at least full working Ada instead of nothing :)
Feb 24 19:47:28 <zumbi> guerby: yes, it's great and arm it is really improving those days
Feb 24 19:47:31 <guerby> zumbi, for Ada ACATS you may have to tweak some script, don't hesitate to ask me at laurent@guerby.net
Feb 24 19:47:56 <zumbi> guerby: first C, C++, then build Ada-cross and run ACATS remotely
Feb 24 19:48:15 <zumbi> guerby: thanks :-)
Feb 24 19:49:56 <guerby> zumbi, arm support in GCC will improve even more when those arm netbook will at last come to the market :)
Feb 24 19:50:07 <guerby> more users
Feb 24 19:50:36 <zumbi> yes, i have been hearing about them since last summer, but never see linux machines at stores, not even intels
Feb 24 19:50:54 <zumbi> ipad, maybe be the only one
Feb 24 19:52:23 <guerby> zumbi, we have sheevaplug and efika mx so nettop but no netbook yet
Feb 24 19:52:56 <guerby> I really wonder what is the blocking point for those arm netbooks
Feb 24 19:53:04 <zumbi> i have been looking to those alwaysinovating laptops, but I am waiting
Feb 24 19:53:23 <zumbi> guerby: me too
Feb 24 19:53:49 <zumbi> maybe they are waiting chromeos to run nicely on them
Feb 24 19:54:03 <guerby> "Please note that due to our current backlog, new orders won't be shipped immediately. Ordering today will ensure you a better place in the queue list, but expect your order to be shipped within two months."
Feb 24 19:54:18 <zumbi> hehe! yes
Feb 24 19:54:33 <guerby> zumbi, yes but if you look at eeepc they didn't wait for windows and starting Linux still gave them a big success
Feb 24 19:55:07 <zumbi> guerby: there is a nice little mips laptop called 'ben nanonote' too, it is made by qi-hardware as an open platform (i think those guys are related to openmoko crowd)
Feb 24 19:55:07 <guerby> may be microsoft promised the hw vendors something, who knows...
Feb 24 19:55:43 <guerby> zumbi, I have lemote notebook, a gidum notebook and a lemote nettop for mips :)
Feb 24 19:56:05 <guerby> s/gidum/gdium
Feb 24 19:56:09 <zumbi> ARM sells more chips than intel (1.2 billion cores last quarter). Netbook market is small thing for them too
Feb 24 19:56:36 <zumbi> guerby: yes, i think lemote are the ones going to be used as debian buildds
Feb 24 20:22:07 <armin76> guerby: lets hope by this year there's already more smartbooks or whatever are they called
Feb 24 20:22:14 <armin76> guerby: and btw, there's also the sharp netwalker
Feb 24 20:23:10 <zumbi> oh! yes :-)
Feb 24 20:23:18 <zumbi> and the nokias n900
Feb 24 20:23:29 <zumbi> (not yet a netbook)
Feb 24 20:23:33 <guerby> armin76, is there a store selling the netwalker?
Feb 24 20:23:47 <zumbi> tuxbrain.com
Feb 24 20:23:49 <guerby> zumbi, yes I have a N900 too, it's my phone now :)
Feb 24 20:24:06 <zumbi> guerby: you have an illness :-)
Feb 24 20:24:19 <zumbi> get_them_all()
Feb 24 20:24:24 <armin76> guerby: thats an interesting question...
Feb 24 20:24:55 <armin76> guerby: oh...iirc it was sold only on japan
Feb 24 20:25:15 <guerby> zumbi, I just run the compile farm project http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/CompileFarm
Feb 24 20:25:22 <zumbi> armin76: also in spain!! did you follow the link I posted?!
Feb 24 20:25:30 <guerby> zumbi, yep nice store!
Feb 24 20:25:40 <armin76> zumbi: hrm? where?
Feb 24 20:25:51 <zumbi> 21:23 < zumbi> tuxbrain.com
Feb 24 20:26:04 <armin76> no i didn't *g*
Feb 24 20:26:08 <armin76> treated it like spam *g*
Feb 24 20:26:21 <zumbi> this people are based in your city
Feb 24 20:26:26 <armin76> you're right though
Feb 24 20:26:32 <zumbi> and selling geek stuff
Feb 24 20:26:48 <armin76> guerby: its an i.mx515 as well, same as the efika
Feb 24 20:27:32 <zumbi> armin76: btw, i got a guruplug!
Feb 24 20:29:29 <guerby> zumbi, prototype or they started shipping them?
Feb 24 20:29:36 <armin76> ricerplug
Feb 24 20:30:40 <guerby> armin76, I sent today all the junk I had to Paris datacenter, I now have space on my desk to try to setup the efika boards at last :)
Feb 24 20:30:52 <zumbi> guerby: i order one from the webpage, still waiting
Feb 24 20:31:04 <guerby> zumbi, ah ok so you don't have it yet :)
Feb 24 20:31:11 <guerby> BTW this looks nice: http://www.tuxbrain.net/shop/product_info.php?products_id=66
Feb 24 20:31:12 <armin76> haha
Feb 24 20:31:13 <armin76> liar :D
Feb 24 20:31:17 <zumbi> just the order
Feb 24 20:31:50 <guerby> zumbi, we're setting up a group order in Paris
Feb 24 20:32:14 <zumbi> oh! nice :-)
Feb 24 20:32:39 <guerby> I'll order between 3 and 5 to equip all my family :)
Feb 24 20:32:46 <zumbi> guerby: i thikn there was USB touchscreens not so expensive in some store in the net
Feb 24 20:32:51 <guerby> 2 gigabit is really kewl
Feb 24 20:33:05 <zumbi> wireless is nice too
Feb 24 20:33:09 <armin76> the gigabit is a weird thing
Feb 24 20:33:22 <armin76> i wonder why (almost?) armv7 devices don't have gige
Feb 24 20:34:29 <armin76> zumbi: fix qnap!
Feb 24 20:35:36 <zumbi> armin76: it is getting dusty
Feb 24 20:36:17 <armin76> zumbi: did you put debian already on the efika?
Feb 24 20:36:28 <zumbi> armin76: no, on the ps3
Feb 24 20:36:45 <zumbi> next efika, but boss is putting presure to work
Feb 24 20:37:38 <guerby> zumbi, you have debian running on sony ps3? with access to the cell?
Feb 24 20:37:56 <zumbi> guerby: yes
Feb 24 20:38:17 <zumbi> guerby: i still need to write some bits
Feb 24 20:38:50 <zumbi> guerby: wiki.debian.org/PS3 (I used a live USB, then you can cfdisk /dev/ps3da & install)
Feb 24 20:39:33 <armin76> guerby: you can also have gentoo :D
Feb 24 20:39:51 <armin76> and works better, since we have full ppc64 support *g*
Feb 24 20:40:01 <zumbi> better?
Feb 24 20:40:19 <armin76> yez
Feb 24 20:40:37 <zumbi> 64bit rootfs has longer instructions so eats caches so bad... 32bit userland is best on ppc :-)
Feb 24 20:41:09 <armin76> lies
Feb 24 20:41:50 <zumbi> armin76: debian live USB boots before your stuff... :-P
Feb 24 20:42:09 <armin76> you wish!
Feb 24 20:42:16 <zumbi> hhehe
Feb 24 20:43:27 <armin76> Hostname: efikamx - OS: Linux 2.6.31-ER1/armv7l - Distro: Gentoo 1.12.13 - CPU: ARMv7 rev 1 (v7l) - Processes: 122 - Uptime: 62d 27m - Users: 5 - Load Average: 0.42 - Memory Usage: 69.79MB/470.49MB (14.83%) - Disk Usage: 36.07GB/461.23GB (7.82%)
Feb 24 20:43:29 <armin76> *g*
Feb 24 20:44:30 <zumbi> armin76: i think i found what i was looking for.. http://www.eyrich-net.org/mozilla/X-Mozilla-Status.html?en
Feb 24 20:45:20 * guerby watches debian vs USB on TV!
Feb 24 20:45:28 * guerby watches debian vs gentoo on TV! (ooops)
Feb 24 20:45:38 <armin76> Hostname: superh - OS: Linux 2.6.32-rc8-00165-g6a5a0b9/sh4a - Distro: Gentoo 1.12.13 - CPU: sh4a SH7785 ( MHz) - Processes: 70 - Uptime: 18d 8h 27m - Users: 3 - Load Average: 1.21 - Memory Usage: 83.09MB/375.30MB (22.14%) - Disk Usage: 21.93GB/457.65GB (4.79%)
Feb 24 20:46:25 <zumbi> gentoo sources are friends with debian binaries... :-)
Feb 24 20:46:38 <guerby> armin76, no news from Lethal on this one
Feb 24 20:46:56 <armin76> poke him again :)
Feb 24 20:47:30 <armin76> guerby: at oss.renesas.com they have a debian rootfs, quick! :)
Feb 24 20:47:41 <guerby> 375MB RAM that's fun :)
Feb 24 20:48:33 <armin76> yep, it has 512mb but uboot only takes up to 376mb unless you use some thing called pmb
Feb 24 20:49:01 <armin76> but iirc then the network doesn't work on u-boot, along with sd, and some other stuff
Feb 24 20:49:27 <armin76> zumbi: btw, if you have some nice boxes to put this kind of boards let me know :)
Feb 24 20:49:48 <armin76> atm the sh is on the same cartron(sp?) box the qnap was in
Feb 24 20:49:50 <guerby> armin76, wow that looks strange
Feb 24 20:50:24 <armin76> guerby: well, after u-boot everything works, but i get the kernel through tftpboot
Feb 24 20:50:28 <armin76> oh, the flash didn't work either
Feb 24 20:50:35 <guerby> ...
Feb 24 20:51:20 <armin76> still better than 29bit/128mb ram :)
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