**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 26 02:59:57 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 26 13:06:14 2010 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 26 13:09:37 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 26 13:12:15 2010 Mar 26 17:54:29 hi Mar 26 17:55:20 http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-32-guruplug-server-plus.aspx kind of seems too good to be true Mar 26 17:57:42 how is disk i/o performance? Mar 26 20:49:59 http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/skins/skin_1/images/gpsp_2.jpg Mar 26 20:50:06 does anyone know what kind of mini usb that is? Mar 26 20:50:09 doesn't even look like usb Mar 26 20:54:14 mislabelled? Mar 26 20:54:44 that looks more like eSATA, but it's not very clear. Mar 26 20:54:54 there's an unlabelled small port on the other side, below the SD slot. Mar 26 20:55:33 I agree with PhotoJim, looks to me like the bottom slot next to the U-Snap conn is usb-mini Mar 26 20:58:09 weird Mar 26 20:58:19 well, its not esata, because thats on the front Mar 26 20:58:37 i believe it plugs into the jtag box Mar 26 21:01:06 the mini usb-port Mar 26 21:03:26 oh eek Mar 26 21:03:33 was hoping i wouldn't have to buy anything else :/ Mar 26 21:03:56 my Sheeva (first gen) came with the console USB cable Mar 26 21:04:04 might be able to build an adapter to plug into it Mar 26 21:04:08 same here, console and jtag usb Mar 26 21:04:30 got mine from globalscale technologies Mar 26 21:04:49 when are those suppose to start shipping anyways? Mar 26 21:04:56 i think late april Mar 26 21:05:03 seem pretty cool Mar 26 21:05:12 are those 3.0? Mar 26 21:05:23 3.0? Mar 26 21:05:30 sheeva 3.0 Mar 26 21:06:10 no idea, doesn't show it anywhere Mar 26 21:06:22 i ordered the guruserver last month, they had a free jtag box with'em then Mar 26 21:07:07 the only communication i've had with globalscale since then was a confirmation of my order Mar 26 21:07:35 never messed with a plug, figured it'd be a good start Mar 26 21:07:41 and less money on the bank? :D Mar 26 21:07:52 yeah, they got their money Mar 26 21:09:05 well, if you don't happen to get the device, you just do a chargeback :) Mar 26 21:09:08 thats the nice thing about credit cards Mar 26 21:09:25 LittleDedPenguin: which one did you order? Mar 26 21:09:37 the plus, i wanted the dual ethernet Mar 26 21:09:48 yup, thats the one i ordered Mar 26 21:09:58 makes a nice router Mar 26 21:10:04 along with other things Mar 26 21:10:39 # UART RS-232, one Mini-USB Port, Mar 26 21:10:39 # and a JTAG Port for Debugging and Programming Mar 26 21:10:50 i have a esata enclosure ready to pug into it Mar 26 21:10:53 kind of sounds like should provide some kind of usb without the box Mar 26 21:11:40 oh, maybe it comes with a console Mar 26 21:12:07 *shrug* the box comes with two connectors, looks like both the on the side of the plug Mar 26 21:12:33 i'm thinking that may be a reset switch under the microSD slot Mar 26 21:12:50 oh Mar 26 21:14:46 how much is the new one? Mar 26 21:14:51 LittleDedPenguin: so these devices wern't ever shipped before, this will be the first batch? Mar 26 21:14:58 129 Mar 26 21:15:01 well Mar 26 21:15:03 the plus is 129 Mar 26 21:15:16 2 gb ethernet ports, esata, wifi Mar 26 21:16:11 it cost me $150.24, the $129 + s/h Mar 26 21:16:47 there may have been extra s/h due to the jtag box Mar 26 21:17:50 that's pretty reasonable. Mar 26 21:17:58 eSATA and an extra Ethernet is worth $30. Mar 26 21:18:15 still 512 MB RAM I presume? Mar 26 21:18:20 yes Mar 26 21:20:49 * dmb checks his final price Mar 26 21:21:10 $144.10 Mar 26 21:21:16 boo, i want a free jtag box Mar 26 21:21:28 i guess it was a limited time thing? Mar 26 21:22:21 ended feb 28 Mar 26 21:22:24 they should fix that glitch on their homepage Mar 26 21:22:30 i ordered feb26 Mar 26 21:22:31 Exception=Invalid parameter specification (Guid should contain 32 digits with 4 dashes (xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx).) Mar 26 21:22:41 yeah, on just about every page Mar 26 21:23:11 http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-32-guruplug-server-plus.aspx the list the jtag box as an upsell Product, whatever that means Mar 26 21:23:55 mo money Mar 26 21:24:30 heh, so it cost me$6.14 Mar 26 21:25:11 well, i'll see what happens when it arrives, maybe i'll try complaining that it said mini usb Mar 26 21:26:07 ya know what they say ... the wonderful thing about standards, there's so many to choose from Mar 26 21:27:58 better then no standard :) Mar 26 21:28:10 probably have an order to digikey for parts, once i finally do receive the plug Mar 26 21:28:26 yeah heh Mar 26 21:28:36 this was kind of an impulse buy for me Mar 26 21:28:43 i don't have any direct use other then playing Mar 26 21:28:55 same here, like i said, never messed with plugs before, figured it be a good start Mar 26 21:29:13 i plan on replacing a large noisy server with it Mar 26 21:29:20 heh Mar 26 21:30:14 someone should open a datacenter with just plugs Mar 26 21:30:19 sell dedis Mar 26 21:30:24 already have the 4 drive esata enclosure ready to hook up to it Mar 26 21:30:37 does it use RAID? Mar 26 21:31:03 i'm using JBOD, will do software raid tho Mar 26 21:31:14 oh Mar 26 21:31:39 didn't have the money for the hardware raid box, not for beginning the project Mar 26 21:32:22 counting coins, including the plug, enclosure, drives and such, its around $600 already Mar 26 21:32:50 oh Mar 26 21:35:48 dual eSATA would be great for RAID. USB 2.0 ain't that quick. Mar 26 21:36:02 USB 3 might be OK. But that's awhile in coming to the Sheeva I'm guessing. Mar 26 21:36:09 might be a bit CPU-hungry for the ARM though. Mar 26 21:36:33 yeah Mar 26 21:36:58 I just have a single drive on my Gen-1. it's an off-site backup box for my home server. Mar 26 21:36:58 heh, this device could be good for wiretapping Mar 26 21:37:04 first sync at home on GigE of course :) Mar 26 21:37:07 that is why i'm not going with the software raid on the esata Mar 26 21:37:38 I'd be tempted to use one for a home server if it had dual eSATA. Mar 26 21:37:44 512 MB RAM is plenty. Mar 26 21:37:58 the chip can handle dual esata, that may be in a future plug Mar 26 21:38:04 I have a gig in my current one and it's 75% empty except for caching. Mar 26 21:38:10 oh, good to know. Mar 26 21:38:52 I've been having an odd problem with mine, so I'll bounce it off you. Mar 26 21:39:10 I'm getting read/write errors on my external USB drive (WD 1.5TB Green drive in a low-end enclosure). Mar 26 21:39:21 Not constant, but after a couple of weeks, I'll get an error. Mar 26 21:39:32 Trying to establish what it might be. The enclosure is cool so it doesn't seem to be heat-related. Mar 26 21:39:42 If I don't reboot and fsck quickly, the Sheeva eventually crashes. Mar 26 21:40:02 could it be crappy USB-SATA chipset in the enclosure? problems with the Sheeva? a bad drive? Mar 26 21:40:16 might be power related, i've noticed that when my yard light turns on, the UPS trips Mar 26 21:40:24 hmm, hadn't thought of that. Mar 26 21:40:44 so a UPS might be in my future, if that theory is sound. Mar 26 21:40:45 cheaper enclosures don't usually have a solid power supply Mar 26 21:40:49 right. Mar 26 21:40:52 so a better enclosure might help. Mar 26 21:41:02 I've got a Samba one at home I could repurpose. Sambas seem to be very good. Mar 26 21:41:09 i'd try a UPS, its a good idea no matter what you're running Mar 26 21:41:15 I use one with Firewire on my home server as a backup drive. and I have a USB one on my Mac Mini. Mar 26 21:41:36 Only issue with a UPS is whether there's room. it's in my brother-in-law's laundry room. there's enough air space but there may not be room for a UPS in there. Mar 26 21:42:15 i've got an old APC backups office 280, looks like a mutant multiplug Mar 26 21:42:27 isn't that big Mar 26 21:42:43 yeah, I have a couple of those at home. still big for this area. but I'll have a look and see. Mar 26 21:42:52 heh, i was even looking to see if i could move the plug inside the ups Mar 26 21:43:00 I could offer to let my brother-in-law keep his router/dsl online with it too, might help him find space :) Mar 26 21:43:14 could work Mar 26 21:43:39 UUIDs are on the drive, right? i.e. if I move the drive to a new enclosure, nothing will change...? Mar 26 21:43:47 right Mar 26 21:43:48 s/drive/partition table/ Mar 26 21:43:59 that might be the first thing to do. Mar 26 21:44:07 as a bonus, the Samba enclosures are vertical. will use the space better. Mar 26 21:50:38 PhotoJim: is that one of those enclosures that causes the drive to spin down on idle? Mar 26 21:51:16 I doubt it. But I'm not positive. Mar 26 21:51:24 It was a spare one I had (bought 3.5" in error instead of the 2.5" I wanted). Mar 26 21:51:31 so I used it with this drive. Mar 26 21:51:37 i had one of those once, and when it wouldn't wake up, i would get tons of write errors Mar 26 21:51:37 it's some no-name Chinese one. Mar 26 21:51:46 hmm, interesting theory. Mar 26 21:51:46 because the kernel didn't know to wake it up Mar 26 21:51:57 chances are, if its a cheap one, probably not Mar 26 21:52:02 PhotoJim: is the hard drive fine? Mar 26 21:52:12 could always do a badblocks check on it Mar 26 21:52:29 dmb: I've done fscks on it by force at boot, but not a full block scan, no. I should. Mar 26 21:52:55 yeah, most distros come with the badblocks program Mar 26 21:53:02 Bus 001 Device 002: ID 152d:2339 JMicron Technology Corp. / JMicron USA Technology Corp. Mar 26 21:53:04 whenever a hard drive is acting funky, i always do that Mar 26 21:53:05 that's the chipset. Mar 26 21:53:16 jmicron is decent chipset brand Mar 26 21:53:19 IMO Mar 26 21:53:55 is this sata? Mar 26 21:53:58 good to know. Mar 26 21:54:03 USB2.0-SATA, yup. Mar 26 21:54:40 client, bbl Mar 26 21:59:15 hrm, just got off the phone, ships mid-late april, will probably have debian instead of ubuntu, and most the other information was on the website Mar 26 21:59:30 the guruserver plus Mar 26 22:01:45 right now its going through it certifications Mar 26 22:03:18 *should* be able to handle class 6 microSD Mar 26 22:05:09 internal and external microSD on the plus Mar 26 22:06:52 heh nice Mar 26 22:07:25 should tell them to fix their website :P Mar 26 22:07:43 and the mini-usb on the side is for interfacing with the jtag box and is not a 'usb port' Mar 26 22:07:44 actually, they need to higher a web designer, or just make the site plain Mar 26 22:08:03 LittleDedPenguin: awww, so i can't flash anything with that? Mar 26 22:08:04 the dot below the microSD slot is a reset Mar 26 22:09:33 unless i can find something that can plug into the rs232 port, and converts it from serial to usb Mar 26 22:09:56 heh, i'm just passing on what i got from the person i was talking to Mar 26 22:10:28 when i get it, i'll dissect the jtag box and have pics up for ya Mar 26 22:11:14 probably have pics of the plug also, i plan on populating the internal microSD slot Mar 26 22:12:05 if it is running debian when i get it, i won't even have to change the OS *grin* Mar 26 22:12:11 yup Mar 26 22:12:56 i need jtag because i know i'm going to screw something up and make in unbootable :) Mar 26 22:12:58 thats just be Mar 26 22:12:59 me* Mar 26 22:13:09 same here Mar 26 22:13:15 i'm good at fucking things up Mar 26 22:13:31 i'v bricked wireless routers before Mar 26 22:13:49 i'm wondering if i can use the jtag box on the wrt54g Mar 26 22:14:47 speaking of bricked routers Mar 26 22:14:53 i was never successful with jtaging those routers Mar 26 22:15:02 i'm not a good solderer Mar 26 22:15:25 heh, use more rosin Mar 26 22:16:08 heh, i'm not a soldering period realy, i'm a computer science guy Mar 26 22:16:09 keep iron tips clean and tinned Mar 26 22:16:13 we are never good with soldering Mar 26 22:17:12 i'm starting to shake too much for the smt Mar 26 22:18:04 heh Mar 26 22:18:16 LittleDedPenguin: you study EE or CE? Mar 26 22:18:25 or just a hobby Mar 26 22:18:38 just a hobby ... just a hobby Mar 26 22:18:46 ah Mar 26 22:18:49 i'm a joat Mar 26 22:19:11 jack of all trades, master of none Mar 26 22:19:16 oh Mar 26 22:19:39 i'm interested, just never had the time and drive to do lots of that stuff Mar 26 22:20:01 thinking about maybe going to grad school to do computer engineering Mar 26 22:20:16 only if my job pays for it Mar 26 22:22:18 i actually did a little bit of schooling on networking, could have taught the A+ classes Mar 26 22:23:17 heh, i need a job in IT Mar 26 22:23:49 i have a IT job at the univ i go to school at, gets boring **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 27 02:59:56 2010