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Apr 02 17:14:40 <dmb> LittleDedPenguin: you think it was just a procedural delay, or something was wrong?
Apr 02 19:25:38 <LittleDedPenguin> dmb, probably didn't pay off the right certifier, maybe a bit of rf leakage ...that a lot of shit crammed into a little plastic case
Apr 02 19:29:13 <dmb> oh :)
Apr 02 19:29:14 <dmb> erm
Apr 02 19:29:15 <dmb> :(
Apr 02 19:29:34 <dmb> hopefully it really be ready by end of april
Apr 02 19:29:44 <dmb> LittleDedPenguin: whats the worst that rf leakage can cause?
Apr 02 19:30:06 <LittleDedPenguin> interference, which would make it not type 15 accepted
Apr 02 19:31:36 <LittleDedPenguin> excuse me, Part 15, of the FCC rules ... just about everything electronic you've got in your house has to comply with Part 15 ... cause no interference
Apr 02 19:32:23 <LittleDedPenguin> its just a guess on the plug tho, i haven't a clue where they're at with certifications
Apr 02 19:34:49 <KiloBravoEight> heh, being FCC licensed, i do see RFI as a serious matter
Apr 02 19:36:01 <KiloBravoEight> and it running two different devices in the 2.4GHz range...
Apr 02 19:42:57 <KiloBravoEight> i believe i may need to cut a bigger hole on the back of this drive enclosure, and mount a bigger, quieter, less blue LED fan on it
Apr 02 19:43:38 <KiloBravoEight> wtf they though to put a cheap light up fan on the back of this...
Apr 02 19:44:20 <KiloBravoEight> and its only a 70mm ... i've got some nice quiet 92mm fans not being used
Apr 02 19:45:06 <KiloBravoEight> currently, two of the drives are at 106 degrees, and ksensors is blinking at me
Apr 02 19:52:08 <kblin> KiloBravoEight: because it's more modern with a blue LED?
Apr 02 19:54:05 <KiloBravoEight> more modern?
Apr 02 19:55:28 <kblin> yeah, like my old hardware only has green, yellow and red leds, and the modern hardware has these blue leds
Apr 02 19:55:34 <kblin> so blue is more modern
Apr 02 19:56:15 <kblin> like, if you put a blue led on old hardware, it's like an upgrade, but cheaper ;)
Apr 02 19:56:43 <KiloBravoEight> personally, i don't care for all the light up/clear cased stuff
Apr 02 19:57:07 <kblin> never mind that you end up with your toaster having a ton of blue leds but making crappy toast ;)
Apr 02 19:57:45 <kblin> </rant>
Apr 02 19:58:32 <KiloBravoEight> and the older fans i've got are thermaltake silent 92mm vs the cheap noisy blue 70mm ... better air flow and less noise
Apr 02 20:01:41 <KiloBravoEight> part of the reason i decided to replace my server with a plug was to reduce the level of noise
Apr 02 20:02:41 <KiloBravoEight> two opterons, 850watt power supply and a 120mm case fan make a bunch of racket
Apr 02 20:03:51 <kblin> hehe, right
Apr 02 20:05:15 <kblin> usb2 is a tad slow, though
Apr 02 20:06:14 <kblin> other than that, the plug is a pretty nice file server
Apr 02 20:08:26 <LittleDedPenguin> and i was looking at a bit of money just to get a decent pci-x sata 2 card, the plug made that unnecessary
Apr 02 20:08:51 <LittleDedPenguin> tho i did buy a $120 drive enclosure
Apr 02 20:12:42 <kblin> I'm currently considering getting a netgear readynas to be my main fileserver
Apr 02 20:13:05 <kblin> then I can turn my plug into a webserver or the like
Apr 02 20:14:14 <kblin> still need to get this approved by the living room decoration dept., though ;)
Apr 02 20:15:21 <KiloBravoEight> so far, i've got a 4 drive enclosure, a UPS, and i'm waiting on the plug ... there's my file server/web server/firewall
Apr 02 20:15:49 <KiloBravoEight> and what ever else i can do with it
Apr 02 20:17:09 <KiloBravoEight> one ethernet on the plug is going to the dsl modem, the other is going into the GbE port on a dell powerconnect 2124 to feed the house LAN
Apr 02 20:17:17 <kblin> a usb 4 drive enclosure?
Apr 02 20:17:21 <KiloBravoEight> esata
Apr 02 20:17:24 <kblin> ah
Apr 02 20:17:34 <kblin> I've got one of the old ones
Apr 02 20:17:43 <kblin> esata might be fast enough
Apr 02 20:17:57 <KiloBravoEight> sans digital TR4M-B drive enclosure
Apr 02 20:18:41 <KiloBravoEight> with an loud, bright fan on the back of it
Apr 02 20:19:06 <KiloBravoEight> 4x WD RE3 500GB drives
Apr 02 20:19:13 <KiloBravoEight> run JBOD
Apr 02 20:21:27 <KiloBravoEight> i'm thinking of putting everything together inside a kaypro 2 computer case
Apr 02 20:22:03 <KiloBravoEight> would be nice if i was getting a display plug
Apr 02 20:22:48 <KiloBravoEight> convert the keyboard to usb, replace the crt with an lcd ...
Apr 02 20:23:26 <dmb> KiloBravoEight: yeah, if it doesn't ship in april, i'll cancel my order and try to find another plugpc :/
Apr 02 20:23:36 <dmb> there is nothing that matches up with the guru though :\
Apr 02 20:24:01 <KiloBravoEight> not yet, there are similar plugs in europe
Apr 02 20:24:34 <KiloBravoEight> that is kind of why i'm guessing they're having problems with FCC part 15 acceptance
Apr 02 20:24:38 <dmb> i'm sure the industry is going to blast with then at some kind
Apr 02 20:24:43 <dmb> at some point*
Apr 02 20:25:01 <dmb> KiloBravoEight: would the wifi radio cause that?
Apr 02 20:25:59 <KiloBravoEight> could be, the wifi and bluetooth are both 2.4Ghz ... the esata is new here so that could be part of the problem ... hard to say with nobody to ask
Apr 02 20:26:39 <KiloBravoEight> i believe the guy i talked to at globalscale was just a tech of some sort, said he hasn't been able to play with the gurus yet
Apr 02 20:28:11 <KiloBravoEight> might have to see about getting a plug shipped from europe, won't be part 15 accepted, but if you and your neighbors can live with it ...
Apr 02 20:29:29 <KiloBravoEight> run the wifi channel 7 or higher, and you shouldn't have any amateur radio operators knocking at your door
Apr 02 20:30:30 <KiloBravoEight> if you even have any operating within line of sight from your point of use
Apr 02 20:32:56 <KiloBravoEight> heh, and stay off the top channels in the wifi ... 12 and higher, not sure what is there, but those aren't US channels
Apr 02 20:34:05 <KiloBravoEight> three drives at 106, the bottom drive at 102
Apr 02 20:34:30 <KiloBravoEight> oh, one drive up to 108
Apr 02 20:37:22 <KiloBravoEight> of course, it doesn't help it is 78 inside
Apr 02 20:39:06 <KiloBravoEight> buying too much computer stuff, can't afford to run the a/c
Apr 02 20:39:26 <KiloBravoEight> need the a/c to keep the computer stuff usable
Apr 02 20:44:29 <dmb> ah
Apr 02 20:44:49 <dmb> i was running my router at channels over 12 before
Apr 02 20:44:52 <dmb> didn't realize
Apr 02 20:45:05 <dmb> until some of the wifi devices were not able to connect, took me a while to figure out why
Apr 02 20:45:29 <dmb> the wifi chip on the guru's, i wonder who makes it
Apr 02 20:45:40 <dmb> broadcom/atheros etc
Apr 02 20:55:25 <KiloBravoEight> heh, i've got a small fridge in the shed, maybe i should just put the stuff in that ...
Apr 02 20:55:57 <KiloBravoEight> make a few holes for power and ethernet, won't be using wifi and bluetooth if its in that
Apr 02 20:56:58 <KiloBravoEight> put a few cans of crappy cheap cola in front of it, nobody will bother it
Apr 02 21:05:16 <KiloBravoEight> fill the freezer with ice packs, won't have to UPS the fridge than, it will keep cold for a while without power
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