**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 28 03:00:14 2010
May 28 08:53:45 <jzaw> ping
May 28 14:08:37 <Tootoot222> pong
May 28 14:14:58 <jzaw> lo Tootoot222
May 28 14:16:04 <Tootoot222> hoi jzaw
May 28 14:17:03 <jzaw> not sure if ive shown you the results on the sheevaplug
May 28 14:17:04 <jzaw> http://photos.dzki.co.uk/seven_cams_dead_of_night.png
May 28 14:17:11 <jzaw> with ir mod on the usb cams
May 28 14:17:14 <jzaw> and some ir lights
May 28 14:17:21 <Tootoot222> nice
May 28 14:17:40 <jzaw> ive just noticed that my nano-itx seems to be on gmt+1 rather than gmt
May 28 14:17:48 <Tootoot222> lol
May 28 14:17:57 <jzaw> top 3 screens are on the sheeva
May 28 14:17:57 <Tootoot222> i ordered a guruplug the other day =D
May 28 14:18:08 <jzaw> and bottom 3 are actually on the nano
May 28 14:18:21 <jzaw> with the 4th being on a different box ... but streaming to the nano
May 28 14:18:30 <Tootoot222> lol @ the times; 22:22:22=
May 28 14:18:31 <jzaw> are you not worried about the guru psu?
May 28 14:18:45 <Tootoot222> what about it?
May 28 14:18:47 <jzaw> ah never noticed that
May 28 14:18:48 <Tootoot222> is it under powered?
May 28 14:18:52 <jzaw> blows up
May 28 14:18:56 <jzaw> and dies
May 28 14:18:59 <Tootoot222> my sheeva one blew up lol
May 28 14:19:04 <Tootoot222> but i fixed that
May 28 14:19:12 <jzaw> did you put an external one on?
May 28 14:19:14 <Tootoot222> yea
May 28 14:19:18 <jzaw> 5v 2-3A  ?
May 28 14:19:22 <Tootoot222> 5v 2a
May 28 14:19:27 <jzaw> cool
May 28 14:19:32 <Tootoot222> if worse comes to worse i could always trade psu's
May 28 14:19:34 <jzaw> had i had more time id have done the same
May 28 14:19:44 <jzaw-pl> im out of country now
May 28 14:19:44 <Tootoot222> guru psu -> sheeva, external sheeva psu -> guru
May 28 14:21:03 <jzaw-pl> looking at the chargers you get these days
May 28 14:21:17 <jzaw-pl> are literally the size of a 13A (uk) plug
May 28 14:21:37 <jzaw-pl> theres no penalty to having the psu external to the guru/sheeva
May 28 14:22:09 <jzaw-pl> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Linksys-Power-Supply-VoIP-Products/dp/B000R8QGKI
May 28 14:22:19 <jzaw-pl> although that one is slightly bigger
May 28 14:22:23 <jzaw-pl> than a simple plug
May 28 14:22:32 <Tootoot222> i think it's probably better to have the psu external, since all that heat is moved away from the processor
May 28 14:22:45 <jzaw-pl> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Linksys-WAP54G-Version-replacement-adaptor/dp/B002P8JOX4/ref=dp_cp_ob_ce_title_1
May 28 14:22:50 <jzaw-pl> yeah exactly
May 28 14:23:00 <Tootoot222> i bought this one http://www.lightinthebox.com/INPUT-100-240V-DC-OUTPUT-5V-2A-2000mA-For-USA-Plug-Type---SMQC144-_p67687.html
May 28 14:23:25 <jzaw-pl> perfect exactly what im talking about
May 28 14:25:26 <jzaw-pl> strikes me that they should have done something like that from the start
May 28 14:25:55 <jzaw-pl> or make the sheeva case itself split neatly ... to allow separation of psu ... with a hidden lead of some sort
May 28 14:26:15 <jzaw-pl> (the engineer in me is already thiking of different solutions they could have had)
May 28 14:27:05 <jzaw-pl> that way one could run it monolithically ... or if temperature is a problem ... split the case and you have two _units_ which can lie independently of each other on a shelf or where ever
May 28 14:28:55 <Tootoot222> i just chopped off an end of the wire that goes from the psu to the mobo, removed the psu alltogether, and soldered the new psu onto it http://i42.tinypic.com/2i1jqes.jpg
May 28 14:43:17 <jzaw-pl> lol
May 28 14:43:22 <jzaw-pl> Tootoot222: that photo is ace
May 28 14:43:36 <jzaw-pl> it looks like youve got a sheevahead ©
May 28 14:44:03 <jzaw-pl> in my case a sheevahead replacement would have more bogomips than my original zawhead
May 28 14:44:10 <jzaw-pl> ;)
May 28 14:44:48 <jzaw-pl> now tell me why they didnt do that in the first place
May 28 14:46:37 <Tootoot222> lolsheevahead
May 28 14:46:54 <Tootoot222> they didn't do it in the first place because they expect you to hang it on the wall
May 28 14:47:01 <Tootoot222> the use of the figure-eight cable is secondary
May 28 14:48:04 <jzaw-pl> but hanging it off the wall would require those keyhole shaped holes for the screws ... you know
May 28 14:48:21 <jzaw-pl> the ones where you slide the head of the screw into the hole and then slip it up so it cant be pulled out
May 28 14:48:30 <jzaw-pl> et viola its hanging on the wall
May 28 14:48:54 <jzaw-pl> im surprised not to see those in the moldings
May 28 14:49:23 <Tootoot222> eh, hanging on the wall -> it susspends itself; you plug it directly into the outlet without that figure-eight cable
May 28 14:49:50 <jzaw-pl> ahh you mean pushed into the socket and working its way out
May 28 14:49:55 <jzaw-pl> under its own weight lol
May 28 14:49:57 <Tootoot222> ye
May 28 14:50:47 <jzaw-pl> that is ok for the us ... cos the two pin slidie-on-thing is supplied ... but in the uk ... we werent supplied with the requesite uk 3 square pin slide-on-thingie
May 28 14:50:56 <jzaw-pl> so we just use the fig-o-eight cable
May 28 14:51:25 <Tootoot222> oh you don't get one of those things?
May 28 14:51:57 <Tootoot222> http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-25-sheevaplug-dev-kit-uk.aspx
May 28 14:52:05 <Tootoot222> the picture near the bottom there seems to show it there though
May 28 14:53:25 <Tootoot222> see they expect you to mount it like this http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/skins/skin_1/images/sheeva_front.jpg
May 28 14:53:41 <jzaw-pl> yes i see that
May 28 14:54:11 <jzaw-pl> i got a eu two pin slide in thing with a fig-o-eight 13amp uk cable
May 28 14:54:47 <jzaw-pl> strange should have been a uk slide on thing shouldnt it?
May 28 14:55:04 <Tootoot222> unless you ordered the wrong one =p
May 28 14:55:07 <Tootoot222> but yeah, it should be
May 28 14:56:23 <jzaw-pl> nah cant see i bought the wrong one ... cos i was on the phone to jason king (runs newit in the uk) while working my way through the order on the web
May 28 14:58:26 <jzaw-pl> and with as much respect as i can muster for the usa mains plug and socket .... but i think having something as heavy as the sheeva/guru hanging off that ... will 100% defo work its way out eventually
May 28 14:58:54 <jzaw-pl> in that respect id much rather plug it into a power strip lying on the floor
May 28 14:59:30 <jzaw-pl> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Ul-PB-kQL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
May 28 15:04:39 <tinker-f595> jzaw-pl: my sheevaplug has been plugged in for a year and has not moved
May 28 15:13:17 <jzaw-pl> <victor meldrew>I CANNNNOOOOOOT BELIEEEEEVE IT</victor meldrew>
May 28 15:14:54 <Tootoot222> you know that the standard usa plug socket has little bits that clamp down on the parts that get inserted
May 28 15:14:58 <Tootoot222> so that things don't fall out
May 28 15:19:00 <jzaw-pl> i often see holes at the front of the pins ... do they engage with something ?
May 28 15:19:41 <Tootoot222> ye, it's almost like a USB; 2 metal plates bent towards eachother so that when you instert an object they fall into that hole
May 28 15:22:00 <jzaw-pl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:G_plug.png
May 28 15:22:16 <jzaw-pl> ah that helps im sure
May 28 15:23:06 <jzaw-pl> the uk sockets rely on spring pressure ... but being so much more massive and the springs being so strong its often hard to pull the plug out
May 28 15:23:10 <jzaw-pl> let alone have it walk out
May 28 15:23:41 <jzaw-pl> do usa plugs have the first 10-15mm of the pin next to the socket insulated
May 28 15:23:41 <Tootoot222> lol
May 28 15:24:17 <jzaw-pl> so that if its part pushed in (or walked out) you cant put a fork or other darwinesque activity that might make contact with a live pin
May 28 15:24:53 <Tootoot222> i think you could probably shock yourself if you did that
May 28 15:24:58 <Tootoot222> i don't think there's insulation
May 28 15:25:17 <Tootoot222> ofc every socket is different, so some may have it
May 28 15:25:19 <Tootoot222> where other's dont
May 28 15:29:51 <jzaw-pl> if you look at that uk plug wiki
May 28 15:30:05 <jzaw-pl> youll see theres black insulator for the first part of the pin
May 28 15:30:10 <jzaw-pl> and only the ends are exposed
May 28 15:30:24 <jzaw-pl> the earth pin isnt insulated at all
May 28 15:30:43 <jzaw-pl> euro plugs have a similar thing
May 28 15:30:55 <jzaw-pl> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/G_plug.png
May 28 15:31:15 <jzaw-pl> stops kiddies being electrocuted when theyshove knives behind plugs
May 28 15:31:46 <jzaw-pl> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/Europlug2.jpg
May 28 16:08:25 <jzaw-pl> Tootoot222: interesting thought
May 28 16:08:26 <jzaw-pl> I had the exact same thing happening on a NSLU2 and ended up powering the NSLU2 by plugging a power supply into the HD enclosure (the NSLU2 can actually be powered by the USB port -- not sure if this is the same with the plug ;)
May 28 16:08:32 <jzaw-pl> from a forum ^^^^
May 28 16:08:37 <jzaw-pl> the way i read that
May 28 16:09:01 <jzaw-pl> is that he has a hd enclosure with a usb port on it and draws 5v off that to feed the plug
May 28 16:09:31 <jzaw-pl> im using an external esata case for my hd ... which also has a usb port (but its a client port not host)
May 28 16:09:43 <jzaw-pl> i wonder if itll be possible to simply take 5v out of that
May 28 16:13:42 <Tootoot222> you /could/ probably power a sheevaplug via usb... but usb only give 5v 0,5a, and the default PSU gives 1a
May 28 16:16:59 <jzaw-pl> im wondering what the internal 5v on the icybox i have has ... and just bring that out on a pair of wires
May 28 16:17:50 <jzaw-pl> saves on power leads and plugs ... kills two birds with one stone as it were
May 28 16:18:25 <jzaw-pl> toot ... you say the internal gives 1A?
May 28 16:18:31 <jzaw-pl> surely thats insufficient
May 28 16:18:56 <jzaw-pl> if the quiesscent wattage is about 5w (i measured it and it is)
May 28 16:19:00 <jzaw-pl> then thats the 1A
May 28 16:19:14 <jzaw-pl> but then the usb is supposed to be able to put out 750mA also
May 28 16:19:23 <jzaw-pl> i suspect the internal is rated at 2A
May 28 16:22:04 <Tootoot222> the internal one is only meant to output 1a, not to say that it won't try to output more (and eventually fail after prolonged use)
May 28 16:22:19 <Tootoot222> (as mine did when i had an un-powered usb drive on it)
May 28 16:23:35 <Tootoot222> that's why i bought a 2a replacement, so now it has enough power
May 28 16:26:25 <jzaw-pl> sounds like its an underrated psu internallly
May 28 16:27:01 <jzaw-pl> cos it needs 1A plus .... just to run the plug itself it does peak at about 7.5W during boot off sd and at various other times
May 28 16:27:34 <Tootoot222> like i said, it physically /can/ output more than 1a, but if you continually use more than that 1a it will explode
May 28 16:27:56 <Tootoot222> so those short booting spikes in power usage it can cope with,
May 28 16:28:03 <Tootoot222> but they're only temporary
May 28 16:43:16 <jzaw-pl> [18:28]  <Tootoot222> but they're only temporary
May 28 16:43:17 <jzaw-pl> i guess
May 29 02:46:00 <Majost> Does anyone have Ubuntu 10.04 running on their guru?
May 29 02:46:29 <Tootoot222> you can't run ubuntu past 9.04 on armv5
May 29 02:46:38 <Tootoot222> they discontinued support for it
May 29 02:46:39 <Majost> oh
May 29 02:46:43 <Tootoot222> that's why there's debian on there now
May 29 02:46:49 <Majost> huh
May 29 02:46:49 <Tootoot222> where there was ubuntu on the sheevaplug
May 29 02:51:16 <Majost> hrmm
May 29 02:52:14 <Majost> Well, it may not officially be supported
May 29 02:52:34 <Majost> but I generated a new rootfs with rootstock
May 29 02:52:40 <Majost> granted it kernel paniced
May 29 02:52:43 <Majost> heh
May 29 02:52:45 <Tootoot222> lol
May 29 02:53:00 <Tootoot222> trying to upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10, libc freaked out
May 29 02:53:16 <Tootoot222> so there's something fundamental here that they've removed
May 29 02:53:18 <Majost> but the binanries in the rootfs are unquestionably arm binaries
May 29 02:53:26 <Majost> huh
May 29 02:53:36 <Tootoot222> but you can optimize for arches
May 29 02:53:45 <Tootoot222> and if armv6 breaks compatibilty with v5
May 29 02:53:51 <Tootoot222> and they optimize for v6...
May 29 02:54:03 <Tootoot222> if they do
May 29 02:54:16 <Majost> yeah, the rootstock stuff suggested its mostly compiled for armv5t
May 29 02:54:21 <Majost> which is perfect
May 29 02:54:40 <Majost> they mention that there is some exceptions where they use arm6
May 29 02:54:52 <Majost> but no specifics
May 29 02:55:13 <Majost> I would imagine it would only be stuff that would be fpu heavy.
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