**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 09 02:59:57 2010
Jun 09 09:55:25 <Md> mhh... si è mezza spenta eutelia
Jun 09 09:55:29 <Md> oops
Jun 09 12:33:00 <ppmt> jzaw_pl: hi. I finally updated my uboot..it went well but I also has to reflash the kernelfs.
Jun 09 12:33:44 <ppmt> jzaw_pl: not sure what's better or worse. but I saw some errors I didn't have during the boot so I will check them
Jun 09 12:34:31 <ppmt> jzaw_pl: I just wanted to thank you, The link you send me with the vide convince me to go ahead even if I had no reason to do it...Now I know how to do it at least :)
Jun 09 14:48:13 <jzaw_pl> ppmt dont forget you can always return to the previous vers
Jun 09 14:48:23 <jzaw_pl> glad it didnt brick your plug
Jun 09 14:50:40 <ppmt> jzaw_pl: how can I return to the previous version?
Jun 09 14:52:16 <Tootoot222> same way you put it to the newer version, just with the old binary
Jun 09 15:02:53 <ppmt> ah that would imply I have the old binary :)
Jun 09 15:03:59 <Tootoot222> or the internet does ;D
Jun 09 15:04:03 <Tootoot222> somebody has it somewhere
Jun 09 15:04:21 <Tootoot222> (rule 34?)
Jun 09 15:25:30 <ppmt> I don't know about rule 34 but let's say I can be naive sometime :)
Jun 09 15:25:52 <ppmt> but hey if you don't break things how can you learn then ?
Jun 09 16:37:14 <tinker-f595> the binary on the wiki is probably the same one as it shipped with
Jun 09 18:17:56 <ppmt> ok I am looking a bit closer to see what happens during the reboot and I see some error related to modules.....
Jun 09 18:18:51 <ppmt> so I guess it is because I used to be using kernel 2.6.32-00007-g56678ec where now I have  2.6.33.2-00003-g4b82fc0
Jun 09 18:19:22 <Tootoot222> yeah you just need to get the modules
Jun 09 18:19:26 <ppmt> so I guess I have to recompile these modules?
Jun 09 18:19:37 <Tootoot222> if you built the kernel yourself, make modules --install-dir=../modules
Jun 09 18:19:41 <Tootoot222> and they'll all be in that dir
Jun 09 18:19:59 <Tootoot222> if you didn't build it yourself, you'll have to find if somebody compiled the modules into a tarball or something
Jun 09 18:20:03 <Tootoot222> where did you get your kernel from?
Jun 09 18:20:11 <ppmt> I didn't build it my self. I downloaded it from Globascale
Jun 09 18:20:54 <ppmt> Tootoot222: bare in mind that I proceeded out of faith so I may have done something stupid
Jun 09 18:21:06 <Tootoot222> link to where you got the kernel from?
Jun 09 18:21:20 <ppmt> just a sec
Jun 09 18:22:08 <ppmt> actually I say globascale but may be I am worng:
Jun 09 18:22:09 <ppmt> http://plugcomputer.org/index.php/us/resources/downloads?func=select&id=14
Jun 09 18:22:27 <ppmt> I downlaoded and upgraded both the uboot and the kernel
Jun 09 18:24:23 <ppmt> so to be precise I took that uboot: http://plugcomputer.org/index.php/us/resources/downloads?func=startdown&id=71
Jun 09 18:25:00 <ppmt> and the kernel: http://plugcomputer.org/index.php/us/resources/downloads?func=startdown&id=66
Jun 09 18:25:26 <Tootoot222> i don't see any modules on there, but if worse comes to worse you have the linux source tarball and .config ;D all you have to do is compile the modules
Jun 09 18:26:42 <ppmt> humm...yes. Ok. I think I am going to have to read a bit on that then
Jun 09 18:27:45 <ppmt> so I would download the kernel source on the plug and compile from there?
Jun 09 18:29:58 <ppmt> I have this error repeated twice:
Jun 09 18:30:00 <ppmt> modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.33.2-00003-g4b82fc0/modules.dep: No such file or directory
Jun 09 18:30:42 <ppmt> and then it also complains that :
Jun 09 18:30:43 <ppmt> insmod: error inserting '/root/uap8xxx.ko': -1 Invalid module format
Jun 09 18:30:59 <ppmt> which is I believe the module for Wifi
Jun 09 18:36:11 <Tootoot222> ppmt: yeah, download the kernel.git.tar.bz2, and then download and put .config file into the top level directory of the kernel source (where the Makefile is)
Jun 09 18:36:29 <Tootoot222> then you should just be able to do make modules; make modules_install --install-dir=../modules
Jun 09 18:36:52 <Tootoot222> or i guess if you're compiling on the plug itself you don't need the --install-dir thing
Jun 09 18:36:56 <Tootoot222> it'll go to / by default
Jun 09 18:38:54 <ppmt> but if I compile on my pc...won't it compile for the wrong architecture? I have ubuntu 64 bit
Jun 09 18:39:27 <Tootoot222> you'll have to get a cross-compiler, but it can be done
Jun 09 18:39:48 <ppmt> I think I will try from the plug is there is enough room :D
Jun 09 18:40:09 <Tootoot222> you can just mount a SDcard or USB or something to /mnt and do it there
Jun 09 18:42:03 <ppmt> Tootoot222: eh eh...you are smarter than me :D I would haven't thought about it
Jun 09 18:42:55 <Tootoot222> =p
Jun 09 18:45:45 <ppmt> ok so I have downloaded and will attempt to copy it to the plug
Jun 09 18:46:48 <Tootoot222> if you're using a usb, you can just copy it on your laptop/desktop onto the usb, and the plug the usb into the plug
Jun 09 18:46:52 <Tootoot222> and compile
Jun 09 18:47:02 <Tootoot222> same with SD, if you have a card reader
Jun 09 18:48:24 <ppmt> yes...the thing is right now I am at work (shhut don't say it to my boss) and the plug is at home
Jun 09 18:49:20 <ppmt> so I will have to try or wait until tonight
Jun 09 18:49:28 <Tootoot222> lol
Jun 09 18:49:43 <ppmt> anyway I just realised that I don't have gcc installed on the plug
Jun 09 18:49:55 <Tootoot222> apt-get install build-essential
Jun 09 18:51:10 <ppmt> ah you are the man...I was trying to remember the package to install
Jun 09 18:51:58 <ppmt> I can't wait for next week. I will go and buy a microSD card. 8Gig should be nice
Jun 09 19:04:41 <ppmt> right I will have to be install on a usb key.... just unzipping is too big for the space I have left
Jun 09 19:09:23 <ppmt> I have taken note of what you told me so I will see.
Jun 09 19:21:55 <jzaw_pl> ppmt ....
Jun 09 19:21:58 <jzaw_pl> [22:52:39]  <ppmt> on the site the uboot bin was last updated in May 2010
Jun 09 19:21:58 <jzaw_pl> [22:52:46]  <jzaw_pl> note i have a sheevaplug esata multi
Jun 09 19:21:58 <jzaw_pl> [22:53:04]  <jzaw_pl> and though uboot is _nomially_ dated older ... it has a specific date and time stamp
Jun 09 19:21:58 <jzaw_pl> [22:53:04]  <ppmt> I have to disconnect /...will be back
Jun 09 19:21:58 <jzaw_pl> [22:53:09]  <jzaw_pl> which is the one needed for that model
Jun 09 19:22:00 <jzaw_pl> [22:53:14]  * ppmt has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
Jun 09 19:22:02 <jzaw_pl> [22:53:23]  <jzaw_pl> and so i shouldnt update
Jun 09 19:22:06 <jzaw_pl> [2
Jun 09 19:22:13 <jzaw_pl> my last comment was .... dont update ;P
Jun 09 19:22:28 <Tootoot222> jzaw_pl: he updated uboot secuessfully
Jun 09 19:22:33 <Tootoot222> but he updated the kernel too
Jun 09 19:22:38 <Tootoot222> and he doesn't have the modules for it
Jun 09 19:22:56 <Tootoot222> which, i suppose he could have just gone back down to the original kernel, instead
Jun 09 19:23:03 <Tootoot222> but newer = better, yes?
Jun 09 19:23:14 <jzaw_pl> not always eh
Jun 09 19:23:57 <ppmt> jzaw_pl: I know I went against your advice. But I am really new to the plug and I want to learn....so for me the best way is to try and break thing (well I would prefer not but..)
Jun 09 19:24:17 <jzaw_pl> well ive never xcompiled either ... so thatll be an interesting learning prcatice for you :)
Jun 09 19:24:29 <Tootoot222> meh, cross compiling is cake
Jun 09 19:24:37 <ppmt> the great thing with IRC is that there are people like you and Tootoot222  that are nice enough to help
Jun 09 19:24:37 <jzaw_pl> aye i suppose
Jun 09 19:24:40 <Tootoot222> ofc, using a pre-compiled compiler though
Jun 09 19:24:53 <Tootoot222> i can't find any resources on how to make the cross compiler yourself >.>
Jun 09 19:25:04 <Tootoot222> it's black magic
Jun 09 19:25:11 <jzaw_pl> cross compile the cross compiller?
Jun 09 19:25:12 <ppmt> Tootoot222: cross-compiling is may be pushing it for me :D
Jun 09 19:25:45 <Tootoot222> ppmt: cross compiling is the same as regular compiling, you just do CROSS_COMPILER="blah-arm-linux-" make ...
Jun 09 19:26:04 <ppmt> oh really..nice
Jun 09 19:26:23 <ppmt> but I read that Ubunutu no longer support ARM5....
Jun 09 19:26:27 <Tootoot222> yeah..
Jun 09 19:26:31 <Tootoot222> since 9.04 was the last one
Jun 09 19:26:35 <Tootoot222> too bad
Jun 09 19:26:52 <ppmt> so that would mean that cross-compile wouldn't work either I guess?
Jun 09 19:27:27 <ppmt> there is always the availability to create a virtual machine with 9.04 in it
Jun 09 19:27:40 <Tootoot222> no, the end of armv5 support means that the ubuntu devs don't compile packages with optimizations that are compatible with armv5
Jun 09 19:28:10 <Tootoot222> when you cross compile you'll have an option set like -march=armv5
Jun 09 19:28:17 <Tootoot222> and it'll optimize for v5
Jun 09 19:28:31 <jzaw_pl> but for a headless box id always go for debian in a debian vs ubuntu question
Jun 09 19:28:32 <ppmt> I see
Jun 09 19:29:14 <ppmt> jzaw_pl: you are right. Ubuntu real advantage is the look of it
Jun 09 19:29:17 * jzaw_pl is more of a purist in the debie and ian usage
Jun 09 19:29:33 <jzaw_pl> debbie *
Jun 09 19:31:04 <jzaw_pl> arent there ready made iso images for dl anyway ?
Jun 09 19:31:15 <ppmt> for what?
Jun 09 19:32:23 <ppmt> hey I found this on the wiki:
Jun 09 19:32:24 <ppmt> http://plugcomputer.org/plugwiki/index.php/Re-building_the_kernel_and_U-Boot
Jun 09 19:33:07 <ppmt> I just need to read a bit more...I didn't need to bother you !
Jun 09 19:34:10 <jzaw_pl> heheh
Jun 09 19:34:10 <jzaw_pl> np
Jun 09 19:34:17 <jzaw_pl> http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=822.0 .... also this
Jun 09 19:34:35 <jzaw_pl> but seriously i bought a sheeva multi with a sd card with squeeze on it
Jun 09 19:34:51 <jzaw_pl> and merely duped that and fully aptitude updated and safe-upgraded it
Jun 09 19:35:17 <jzaw_pl> the sd card was with the sheeva was £2 cheaper than buying a bare sd card from newit anyway
Jun 09 19:35:43 <jzaw_pl> btw ... i then duped that to an esata disk (external) and its booting off that now too
Jun 09 19:35:48 <ppmt> nice... I bought my plug from globascale
Jun 09 19:36:08 <jzaw_pl> https://blog.dzki.co.uk/?p=10
Jun 09 19:36:15 <jzaw_pl> ive started a blog again
Jun 09 19:37:11 <ppmt> ah you need to buy a guruplug...so I can continue to bother you with my question
Jun 09 19:37:22 <ppmt> Tootoot222: what do you have yourself?
Jun 09 19:38:25 <ppmt> jzaw_pl: are you british?
Jun 09 19:39:23 <jzaw_pl> yes
Jun 09 19:40:10 <ppmt> where from if I am not too nosy
Jun 09 19:43:21 <jzaw_pl> manchester
Jun 09 19:43:29 <jzaw_pl> but my parents are .. . were polish
Jun 09 19:43:38 <jzaw_pl> and im in poland right now hence the _pl
Jun 09 19:44:54 <ppmt> ah ok.. I lived in UK for about 6/7 years in Guildford
Jun 09 19:46:54 <jzaw_pl> lol
Jun 09 19:46:54 <jzaw_pl> [21:46:33]  * [ppmt] wolfe.freenode.net :Manchester, England
Jun 09 19:46:57 <jzaw_pl> ironicallly
Jun 09 19:47:04 <jzaw_pl> -l
Jun 09 19:51:25 <ppmt> but I am in Canada
Jun 09 19:53:02 <jzaw_pl> aye i know that
Jun 09 19:53:13 <jzaw_pl> [21:46:33]  * [ppmt] (~ppmt@lmcprb.ericsson.ca): Philippe
Jun 09 19:53:27 <Tootoot222> ppmt: i have a sheevaplug, but i've ordered a guruplug
Jun 09 19:53:36 <Tootoot222> (they're both pretty close to eachother anyway)
Jun 09 19:53:47 <Tootoot222> same board, different perferials
Jun 09 19:54:10 <jzaw_pl> though there is some question about the heat design
Jun 09 19:54:22 <Tootoot222> yeah, they tried to cram too much into a small space
Jun 09 19:54:27 <Tootoot222> low airflow
Jun 09 19:54:44 <Tootoot222> apparently they've fixed it, i think
Jun 09 19:54:48 <jzaw_pl> also blowing usb ports and usb peripherals
Jun 09 19:54:53 <Tootoot222> and it only happened on 220v
Jun 09 19:55:05 <jzaw_pl> i see
Jun 09 19:58:48 <jzaw_pl> shame really
Jun 09 19:59:02 <jzaw_pl> but its circumventable by using an external 5v 2A supply
Jun 09 19:59:05 <jzaw_pl> easy mod
Jun 09 19:59:17 <jzaw_pl> but the blowing usb peripherals is worrying
Jun 09 19:59:55 <Tootoot222> jzaw_pl: reading the related threads, it doesn't actually look to be the PSU's fault
Jun 09 20:00:03 <jzaw_pl> heatwise?
Jun 09 20:00:08 <Tootoot222> it was because the daughter board blocked the heat output
Jun 09 20:00:12 <jzaw_pl> tbh id prefer to have an exernal one anyway
Jun 09 20:00:25 <jzaw_pl> takes some of the heat out of the thing
Jun 09 20:00:32 <jzaw_pl> but also in the uk we plug a mains lead in directly
Jun 09 20:00:40 <jzaw_pl> so it makes for a heavy lead to the plug
Jun 09 20:00:52 <jzaw_pl> if you use an external psu it can be quite a light lead
Jun 09 20:01:06 <jzaw_pl> and easier to keep say on a desk or somewhere
Jun 09 20:01:15 <Tootoot222> yeah if you took the power supply out and shaved the plastic that was holding it in, you could move the daughter board up and it would be a nice heat dispense
Jun 09 20:01:25 <jzaw_pl> aye
Jun 09 20:01:38 <jzaw_pl> also it might leave some room for a decent heatsink with proper fins
Jun 09 20:01:58 <jzaw_pl> i was wondering if it might be possible to simply have a finned heatsink poking out of the top !
Jun 09 20:02:17 <Tootoot222> lol
Jun 09 20:02:24 <jzaw_pl> i thought i saw one site with a sheeva modded like that
Jun 09 20:02:31 <Tootoot222> stick it out the already-made vents
Jun 09 20:02:33 <Tootoot222> on the sides
Jun 09 20:02:44 <jzaw_pl> yes ive defo seen one like that
Jun 09 20:02:49 <jzaw_pl> with the metal bent to a u
Jun 09 20:20:09 <ppmt> sorry..I had to do some work :)
Jun 09 20:49:29 <ppmt> Right time to go home and compile these modules :)
Jun 09 20:49:37 <ppmt> I will report later
Jun 10 01:49:19 <ppmt> Tootoot222, still around
Jun 10 01:49:30 <Tootoot222> yup
Jun 10 01:49:38 <ppmt> :)
Jun 10 01:49:46 <Tootoot222> what's up?
Jun 10 01:49:52 <ppmt> I had a go at compiling and I am confused
Jun 10 01:49:56 <Tootoot222> lol
Jun 10 01:50:13 <Tootoot222> what part confused you?
Jun 10 01:50:16 <ppmt> so I copied the sources on a key
Jun 10 01:50:43 <ppmt> the I copied the config file I downloaded and rename it .config
Jun 10 01:51:00 <ppmt> I mounted the key on my plug in mnt
Jun 10 01:51:10 <ppmt> I did then
Jun 10 01:51:16 <ppmt> make modules
Jun 10 01:51:23 <ppmt> make modules_install
Jun 10 01:51:33 <ppmt> and all seems good but....
Jun 10 01:51:58 <ppmt> I can't see the same file in the newly created stuff as there is in the old one
Jun 10 01:52:32 <Tootoot222> the same file where?
Jun 10 01:52:43 <ppmt> http://pastebin.ca/1880123
Jun 10 01:53:30 <ppmt> the first part is the old files (that were working)
Jun 10 01:53:53 <ppmt> the new part 2.6.33.2 is completely different
Jun 10 01:54:40 <Tootoot222> what folder is that in?
Jun 10 01:54:55 <ppmt> /lib/modules
Jun 10 01:55:27 <Tootoot222> and the building of the modules didn't have any errors?
Jun 10 01:55:34 <ppmt> nope
Jun 10 01:56:37 <ppmt> I can try agian to be sure.
Jun 10 01:56:53 <Tootoot222> it should finish instantly if they're already made
Jun 10 01:56:59 <Tootoot222> (goahead and try again)
Jun 10 01:57:09 <ppmt> I do make clean first?
Jun 10 01:57:26 <Tootoot222> try without
Jun 10 01:57:30 <Tootoot222> and paste the output
Jun 10 01:58:19 <ppmt> ok
Jun 10 01:59:27 <ppmt> http://pastebin.ca/1880127
Jun 10 01:59:44 <ppmt> this is the make modules
Jun 10 02:00:19 <Tootoot222> have you tried rebooting after building the modules?
Jun 10 02:00:23 <Tootoot222> maybe it just works
Jun 10 02:00:31 <Tootoot222> even though it's different
Jun 10 02:00:31 <ppmt> yes I did and no I had the same errors
Jun 10 02:00:35 <Tootoot222> ok
Jun 10 02:01:00 <ppmt> so now I do make modules_install
Jun 10 02:01:02 <ppmt> ?
Jun 10 02:01:26 <Tootoot222> sure
Jun 10 02:01:53 <ppmt> http://pastebin.ca/1880128
Jun 10 02:03:19 <ppmt> when I reboot it is mainly complaininf about modules.dep that is missing
Jun 10 02:05:30 <Tootoot222> hmm i'll try to compile the sources and see what i get
Jun 10 02:05:58 <ppmt> do you think I need to compile the kernel first?
Jun 10 02:06:25 <Tootoot222> that's what i was going to try (having a quad core and a cross compiler makes it much faster lol)
Jun 10 02:06:42 <ppmt> indeed
Jun 10 02:06:58 <ppmt> but you know do go over the board for me....
Jun 10 02:08:11 <Tootoot222> if we can't get this to work, what you can do is just download the latest kernel sources in the .33 line and make oldconfig your way up to the latest
Jun 10 02:08:23 <Tootoot222> (with the .config that they gave on the plugcomputer site)
Jun 10 02:08:54 <ppmt> you lost me there
Jun 10 02:09:10 <Tootoot222> when there's a kernel update, you don't have to re-make your whole configuration file over again
Jun 10 02:09:15 <Tootoot222> all you have to do is ``make oldconfig''
Jun 10 02:09:22 <Tootoot222> with the old .config in the new sources folder
Jun 10 02:09:38 <Tootoot222> and it will ask you to set the newer settings that wern't present in the old version
Jun 10 02:09:51 <ppmt> ah ok
Jun 10 02:20:29 <Tootoot222> yeah so it looks like you have to build the whole kernel ppmt
Jun 10 02:20:45 <Tootoot222> i got the same thing as you when i didn't build it, and then i got the whole thing when i did
Jun 10 02:21:05 <ppmt> ah ah
Jun 10 02:21:11 <Tootoot222> i could actually just bundle up the modules it just built and send them to you, if you like
Jun 10 02:21:22 <ppmt> that would be cool...
Jun 10 02:21:28 <Tootoot222> just a sec
Jun 10 02:21:53 <ppmt> what kernel did you use? a 2.6.33?
Jun 10 02:22:24 <Tootoot222> the same one you downloaded
Jun 10 02:22:28 <Tootoot222> kernel.git.tar.bz2
Jun 10 02:22:29 <ppmt> ok
Jun 10 02:23:28 <ppmt> then you copied the uImage-guruplug.config and rename it to .config
Jun 10 02:24:38 <Tootoot222> yup
Jun 10 02:24:41 <Tootoot222> http://uppit.com/9gdmx1fw9wa0/modules.tar.bz2
Jun 10 02:24:46 <Tootoot222> extract it as root as
Jun 10 02:24:56 <Tootoot222> tar -xaf modules.tar.bz2 -C /
Jun 10 02:25:10 <Tootoot222> (j can be used instead of a)
Jun 10 02:27:57 <Tootoot222> my cross compiler is for gcc version 4.4.1, i don't know if that has any implications or even matters at all
Jun 10 02:28:35 <ppmt> I see that it is 2.6.33.2
Jun 10 02:28:58 <Tootoot222> that's the kernel you have right?
Jun 10 02:29:03 <Tootoot222> uname -a
Jun 10 02:29:06 <ppmt> but when I boo it complains about 2.6.33.2-00003-g4b82fc0
Jun 10 02:29:16 <ppmt> which is the same a uname -a
Jun 10 02:29:23 <Tootoot222> hmm
Jun 10 02:29:25 <ppmt> so can I rename it?
Jun 10 02:29:37 <Tootoot222> sure
Jun 10 02:30:26 <ppmt> right I am going to reboot
Jun 10 02:30:31 <Tootoot222> ok
Jun 10 02:32:11 <ppmt> I think you  did  it!
Jun 10 02:32:14 <Tootoot222> =D
Jun 10 02:32:21 <ppmt> I no longre have error....
Jun 10 02:32:30 <Tootoot222> sweet
Jun 10 02:32:36 <ppmt> well only one related to the wifi
Jun 10 02:32:36 <Tootoot222> try lsmod
Jun 10 02:32:57 <Tootoot222> does that one happen in the older kernel too?
Jun 10 02:33:13 <ppmt> but the wifi seems to require a special module that needs to be compile separately
Jun 10 02:33:21 <ppmt> no before it was all good
Jun 10 02:33:52 <ppmt> hum
Jun 10 02:34:20 <ppmt> lsmod is rather empty....actually no modules shows up
Jun 10 02:36:37 <Tootoot222> yeah everything is built in to the kernel
Jun 10 02:36:48 <Tootoot222> there's no initrd, so no hot module loading
Jun 10 02:36:53 <Tootoot222> and the hardware doesn't change
Jun 10 02:36:58 <ppmt> so that is all good then?
Jun 10 02:37:14 <Tootoot222> as long as you didn't get a million errors while booting about missing modules, yeah
Jun 10 02:37:27 <Tootoot222> and i guess you'll have to find those wifi drivers if you need that too
Jun 10 02:37:38 <ppmt> no the only errors are related to the wifi module
Jun 10 02:37:51 <ppmt> yes I will search the forum first....
Jun 10 02:38:17 <ppmt> http://pastebin.ca/1880135
Jun 10 02:38:30 <ppmt> this is the errors related to the wifi
Jun 10 02:38:42 <Tootoot222> lol, that's another pastebin
Jun 10 02:38:42 <Tootoot222> XD
Jun 10 02:38:55 <ppmt> yes...sorry
Jun 10 02:38:58 <ppmt> :)
Jun 10 02:39:56 <ppmt> I reboot to get it again
Jun 10 02:41:58 <ppmt> http://pastebin.ca/1880136
Jun 10 02:42:08 <ppmt> there you got the complete boot
Jun 10 02:42:16 <Tootoot222> i assume you're using screen to access the serial console yes?
Jun 10 02:42:16 <ppmt> the wifi errors are at the end
Jun 10 02:42:25 <ppmt> minicom
Jun 10 02:42:28 <Tootoot222> ah
Jun 10 02:42:33 <Tootoot222> never used that
Jun 10 02:42:34 <Tootoot222> =p
Jun 10 02:42:40 <Tootoot222> i was going to say that screen has a scrollback buffer
Jun 10 02:42:46 <Tootoot222> you can just enter that mode and copy
Jun 10 02:42:51 <Tootoot222> idk if minicom has that
Jun 10 02:43:05 <ppmt> minicom is very simple and has nothing
Jun 10 02:43:21 <ppmt> the buffer is the one you had in the terminal that you launch it from :D
Jun 10 02:43:47 <ppmt> I keep hearing about screen....one mor thing  I need to learn!
Jun 10 02:45:27 <Tootoot222> screen is very simple yet very complex
Jun 10 02:46:19 <ppmt> hum this is not reassuring me and my poor brain
Jun 10 02:46:31 <Tootoot222> at it's simplest you just use ``screen -US name'' to create a screen, control+a, d to detach the screen, and screen -Urx to reattach
Jun 10 02:46:54 <Tootoot222> and you run whatever you want while the screen is attached (you get a shell)
Jun 10 02:47:00 <Tootoot222> and when you detach the process keeps running
Jun 10 02:47:11 <ppmt> really?
Jun 10 02:47:15 <Tootoot222> (good for compiling things and comming back later, or reattaching from work etc)
Jun 10 02:47:18 <Tootoot222> yup
Jun 10 02:48:21 <Tootoot222> and you can spesify the socket file to read/write from, so you can do ``screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200'' to attach to the sheevaplug console
Jun 10 02:48:31 <Tootoot222> (115200 being the baud rate)
Jun 10 02:49:44 <ppmt> wow!!!!
Jun 10 02:50:35 <ppmt> when you say reconnect from work what do you mean?
Jun 10 02:50:54 <ppmt> that is assuming I use the same computer to reconnect no?
Jun 10 02:51:29 <Tootoot222> well you would ssh in, and reattach on the sheevaplug
Jun 10 02:52:16 <ppmt> oh wow....where have you been all these years :D
Jun 10 02:55:44 <Tootoot222> lol
Jun 10 02:56:45 <ppmt> seriously...you help a lot with the modules and top top it of you make me discover screen
Jun 10 02:58:41 <ppmt> Right It is getting late for me so I am going to go to sleep
Jun 10 02:59:04 <ppmt> Tootoot222, thanks a lot for your help
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