**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 13 02:59:57 2010 Sep 13 15:39:12 has anybody used PyBluez on a plug computer? Sep 13 15:44:09 Yesh Sep 13 15:44:21 External BT adapter of course Sep 13 15:44:50 gotcha. i got a guruplug w/ bluetooth that seemed to have pybluez already installed Sep 13 15:44:51 jontyw: the guruplug has internal bluetooth afaik Sep 13 15:45:05 but so far haven't been able to make pybluez work Sep 13 15:45:14 Tootoot222, except noone has a guruplug yet :P Sep 13 15:45:28 Wait, you have a guruplug? They finally shipped?! Sep 13 15:45:44 it's a pretty cool machine.. yeah, last week i called & they had a dozen or so in stock Sep 13 15:45:48 A guy at work ordered one MONTHS ago and it's still not shipped Sep 13 15:45:53 Bah! Sep 13 15:45:56 at globalscale Sep 13 15:46:00 i've ordered one quite a while ago as well Sep 13 15:46:15 newit said they're getting their shipments in soon, so everybody should be as well Sep 13 15:46:18 order it from newit.co.uk instead. Sep 13 15:46:23 they actually just had the guruplug server in stock... they said if i wanted a server plus i'd have to wait a while Sep 13 15:46:45 Mack: because they have to re-manufacture the plus Sep 13 15:46:52 the standard were unaffected by the heating issue Sep 13 15:47:01 good to know Sep 13 15:47:07 so they should still have the same stock from before they stopped shipping Sep 13 15:47:17 i am trying to get an ionics plug to work in wireless client mode Sep 13 15:47:27 cannot seem to get it to take Sep 13 15:48:07 so a dumb question.... when you want to compile some opensource program say for your plug.... do most people actually install the gcc compilers etc? or do you build elsewhere & copy the binaries? Sep 13 15:48:29 Mack: if you can find/build a cross compiler on another computer it is much easier/faster to do it there Sep 13 15:48:44 but alas most people don't run gentoo, and thus it's quite hard to find a good cross compiler Sep 13 15:49:16 Kuifje111: Newit have to order from Globalscale. Newit may have old stock Sep 13 15:49:32 you can even setup distcc with a cross compiler so you can compile on the plug and any number of external computers Sep 13 15:49:45 I see. well, newit was faster for me. Sep 13 15:49:56 i saw in the forums someone posted some kind of virtual machine image Sep 13 15:50:37 for qemu? Sep 13 15:50:40 I compile on my plug Sep 13 15:50:49 it seems like if I set up VirtualBox w/ that, it'd give me a system w/ a crosscompiler right? Sep 13 15:50:59 http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=1928.0 Sep 13 15:51:16 Mack: he just installed a cross compiler into a debian VM Sep 13 15:51:36 you could probably just copy the package he installed out onto your regular desktop, if it's debian based Sep 13 15:52:04 has anyone gotten an ionics plug to work in wlan client mode Sep 13 15:52:05 ? Sep 13 15:52:06 would you need to build on an ARM Debian install? Sep 13 15:52:23 or is the binary the same on an arm vs intel debian? Sep 13 15:53:10 Mack: virtualbox and vmware don't emulate processors outside of your arch; you can't run an ARM host on x64 or x86 Sep 13 15:53:23 the VM he posted is just a x86 debian image with a cross compiler on it Sep 13 15:53:30 (cross compiler for arm) Sep 13 15:53:38 gotcha... that makes sense Sep 13 15:53:51 s/host/guest/ Sep 13 15:54:01 so has anybody ever tried getting gcc working on the plug itself? Sep 13 15:54:06 yeah it's cake Sep 13 15:54:11 although the plug is pretty slow Sep 13 15:54:19 i actually just run gentoo on my plug Sep 13 15:54:34 makes distcc + cross compiler easy if you have gentoo on the other computers Sep 13 15:54:43 i figure i'll try and find the minimal set of packages to fetch through apt-get Sep 13 15:55:24 i'm actually stuck w/ windows on my laptop, currently w/ an ubuntu vbox Sep 13 15:55:26 Mark as I said I compile on my plug Sep 13 15:56:12 tinker: cool. so do you use debian on your plug? Sep 13 15:56:14 I boot the plug using an external hard drive so I have plenty of room Sep 13 15:56:30 I use the default ubuntu that is on the plug Sep 13 15:56:52 at some point I am going to change it to boot fedora 12 Sep 13 15:57:50 Need to build a recent kernel first though Sep 13 15:57:55 i have a 32G usb key for misc storage currently... but haven't worked out how to store packages there Sep 13 15:58:27 Mack: just set in uboot for the root device passed to linux to load from /dev/sda1 Sep 13 15:59:12 or you can just edit /etc/fstab to mount the usb into /usr Sep 13 15:59:13 or such Sep 13 15:59:32 (you can partition it if you want to have, say, /var, /usr, /home on the plug, but the rest on the nand) Sep 13 15:59:48 i was considering the /etc/fstab method... didn't know if the usb drives get loaded in time Sep 13 16:00:11 yup, that's how i have mine set up Sep 13 16:00:27 it won't need anything under /usr to mount that /usr partition right? Sep 13 16:00:45 anything like that would be in /lib Sep 13 16:01:26 cool. i've got like 9 years experience w/ redhat/fedora... kinda new to debian-style systems Sep 13 16:01:44 and very new to plug computers... still amazed what this $100 thing can do Sep 13 16:02:56 but it's safe to say the packages you need to build c++ apps probably won't fit on the plug's internal storage right? Sep 13 16:03:21 it's got 512MB Sep 13 16:03:33 what, like, 300mb taken up by the default os? Sep 13 16:03:39 should have plenty of room Sep 13 16:03:42 gcc is only like 50mb Sep 13 16:03:58 and libstdc++ Sep 13 16:04:17 whenver i've installed those things i never worried about disk space before Sep 13 16:04:56 i guess i can always just try it... if it runs out of storage i'll worry about moving /usr to the usb drive then Sep 13 16:05:11 Mack: http://www.openplug.org/plugwiki/index.php/U-Boot_Quick_Reference Sep 13 16:05:15 http://packages.debian.org/sid/libstdc++6 Sep 13 16:05:19 says 300kb Sep 13 16:06:04 excellent Sep 13 16:06:53 the first step will be to get my plug on the net... i've been a little afraid to make the jump from wireless AP mode to wireless client Sep 13 16:07:18 but i have it now where i can ssh over the ethernet port if things go wrong Sep 13 16:07:34 Mack: you do have the jtag module right? Sep 13 16:07:38 yup Sep 13 16:07:44 ok Sep 13 16:07:54 i figure that's the last resort Sep 13 16:08:07 we had a guy come in here the other day who didn't have it, but he had set his wireless into client mode Sep 13 16:08:12 and it didn't connect to his network Sep 13 16:08:18 and eth0 wasn't setup for dhcp Sep 13 16:08:41 since i think you need a linux system to create a console over the jtag serial connection Sep 13 16:08:57 nah, you can do it on windows with PuTTY Sep 13 16:09:21 heh.. never noticed the 'serial' option in putty before B^) Sep 13 16:10:21 good to know that's another option for communication Sep 13 16:10:41 and is JTAG the easiest way to flash a new OS onto the plug? Sep 13 16:11:01 yeah Sep 13 16:11:27 combined w/ ESIA? Sep 13 16:11:51 although you can always boot to a USB/eSATA/SD/network/whatever drive and mount the internal nand as a filesystem and setup whatever operating system you want from there Sep 13 16:13:07 sounds like there's a lot of options... ideally i'd like to keep it simple w/o needing the external storage Sep 13 16:14:09 anyway, thanks for all the advice **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 14 02:59:57 2010