**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 29 02:59:57 2010
Nov 29 03:27:21 <snowsnakes> 23:32:13 up 87 days, 27 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.13, 0.14, 0.09
Nov 29 03:27:50 <snowsnakes> plug deployed in production
Nov 29 03:32:49 <muedhiver> what's running on ?
Nov 29 03:54:36 <snowsnakes> ssh
Nov 29 04:12:51 <luke-jr> SSH isn't production :P
Nov 29 04:27:57 <snowsnakes> in this context it is
Nov 29 04:28:07 <snowsnakes> permanent connection for a data pipe
Nov 29 18:53:00 <paulk_> hello! I'm probably gonna buy a SheevaPlug but I'd like to know what's the mini-usb connector (next to the sd card reader). Is it used as usb host or device ?
Nov 29 18:54:56 <tbm> paulk_: no, it will give you a serial console for debugging
Nov 29 18:55:47 <paulk_> tbm: so it will do something as adding a TTYUSB device on the computer connected to the sheevaplug ?
Nov 29 18:56:23 <mdm2k> paulk_: yes
Nov 29 18:56:50 <paulk_> great. can I use it with both u-boot and the installed OS ?
Nov 29 18:56:59 <mdm2k> yes
Nov 29 18:57:09 <paulk_> thank-you :)
Nov 29 18:57:14 <kerio> it's a ftdi usbserial device
Nov 29 18:57:26 <kerio> seen as ttyS0 by the installed linux
Nov 29 18:57:54 <paulk_> another thing : is there any proprietary code necessary to make the plug work ?
Nov 29 18:58:25 <kerio> huh... no?
Nov 29 18:58:42 <kerio> uboot is opensource, linux is opensource
Nov 29 18:58:54 <paulk_> okay
Nov 29 18:59:05 <paulk_> so it seems that I'm really gonna enjoy it :)
Nov 29 18:59:14 <kerio> and there's nothing resembling a firmware worth noting inside of it
Nov 29 18:59:19 <kerio> maybe the said serial chip?
Nov 29 18:59:28 <kerio> the NAND is a raw nand, so no firmware there
Nov 29 18:59:48 <kerio> maybe the ethernet's PHY
Nov 29 19:00:02 * kerio will stop now
Nov 29 19:00:06 <mdm2k> the guruplug has wireless firmware that I think is just blobs
Nov 29 19:00:18 <kerio> PROPRIETARY BLOBS
Nov 29 19:00:30 <kerio> hatehatehatehatehate
Nov 29 19:00:43 <paulk_> anyway if the software side is 100% free software, that's good enough for me :)
Nov 29 19:02:48 <kerio> i suggest you to ditch the preinstalled, outdated 'buntu
Nov 29 19:03:05 <paulk_> of course, I guess i'll put a debian instead
Nov 29 19:03:18 <kerio> http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/install.html
Nov 29 19:03:30 <paulk_> but I read about SD speed problems… Are they now solved on recent kernels ?
Nov 29 19:03:40 <kerio> use the internal NAND
Nov 29 19:03:43 <kerio> also... idk
Nov 29 19:03:56 <kerio> it's not like you'll hold that much data on the nand or the sd
Nov 29 19:04:05 <kerio> well, with a bigass sdhc...
Nov 29 19:04:07 * kerio ponders
Nov 29 19:04:35 <paulk_> kerio: well I already have 4gb data for the sheevaplug to serve so i'll obviously need an SD card
Nov 29 19:04:38 <paulk_> at least for data
Nov 29 19:05:27 <paulk_> I'll probably buy some 16 or 8 gb sdhc class 4 card
Nov 29 19:06:13 <kerio> i'd just buy a 2tb usb drive
Nov 29 19:06:14 <kerio> :P
Nov 29 19:06:19 <kerio> better make sure you have enough space
Nov 29 19:07:09 <paulk_> what bout power consumption with a large usb drive ?
Nov 29 19:07:17 <paulk_> about*
Nov 29 19:07:52 <kerio> meh
Nov 29 19:08:32 <kerio> http://www.plugcomputer.org/plugwiki/index.php/Installing_Debian_To_Flash <- best guide, imo
Nov 29 19:08:34 <paulk_> I guess you don't care about that but I do :p
Nov 29 19:09:08 <kerio> oh of course
Nov 29 19:12:55 <kerio> paulk_: you could also buy a dockstar
Nov 29 19:14:32 <paulk_> insted of the sheeva or in addition ?
Nov 29 19:15:08 <kerio> instead of the sheeva
Nov 29 19:15:15 <kerio> well, it's pretty much a sheevaplug
Nov 29 19:15:31 <paulk_> can I install debian using 100% free software on it ?
Nov 29 19:15:46 <kerio> yup
Nov 29 19:15:51 <kerio> it's smaller, too
Nov 29 19:16:02 <kerio> although it's a bit uglier if you don't buy the matching usb drive
Nov 29 19:16:10 <kerio> (if you do, it looks *way* cooler)
Nov 29 19:16:18 <kerio> no sd slot, no serial
Nov 29 19:16:21 <kerio> but you do get 4 usb ports
Nov 29 19:17:33 <paulk_> Well I don't know… I think the sheevaplug is the perfect home server for me :p
Nov 29 19:17:58 <kerio> well the dockstar is a bit more limited
Nov 29 19:18:15 <kerio> as i said, though - it looks way cooler
Nov 29 19:20:11 <paulk_> no, I read a few about it and I think the sheevaplug is more what I'm searching for :p
Nov 29 19:20:28 <paulk_> Well, I have to leave, bye !
Nov 29 19:20:33 <kerio> also 25$ vs 100$
Nov 29 19:20:46 <kerio> come back once you buy a *plug - glad to help
Nov 29 19:20:55 <luke-jr> waiting for Plug 3
Nov 29 19:20:57 <paulk_> kerio: thanks :)
Nov 29 19:22:33 <kerio> luke-jr: i still haven't seen a plug2
Nov 29 19:24:14 <luke-jr> Plug2 seems to eat too much power
Nov 29 19:24:26 <luke-jr> I'm leaning toward getting Atom now ☹
Nov 29 19:24:30 <kerio> what's the plug2?
Nov 29 19:24:40 <luke-jr> OpenRD-Ultimate, GuruPlug
Nov 29 19:24:53 <kerio> ooh, i see
Nov 29 19:25:09 <kerio> the guruplug is cool, but heats like a motherfucker
Nov 29 19:25:15 <luke-jr> but they eat like 20W
Nov 29 19:25:22 <Ryvius> i have a slightly used guruplug for sale
Nov 29 19:25:23 <luke-jr> Atom equivalent is only 5W I think
Nov 29 19:25:32 <Ryvius> doesn't get hot at all
Nov 29 19:25:34 <luke-jr> Ryvius: give you $100 for it
Nov 29 19:25:45 <luke-jr> plus shipping
Nov 29 19:26:01 <Ryvius> too low...
Nov 29 19:26:04 <luke-jr> oh well
Nov 29 19:26:04 <kerio> i think my 1tb hd draws more power than my sheevaplug
Nov 29 19:26:06 <mdm2k> kerio: new guruplugs have a fan, they don't get too hot but they're not exactly silent
Nov 29 19:26:16 <luke-jr> kerio: my goal is to turn off the HD when power loss
Nov 29 19:26:51 <kerio> i bet it turns off by itself
Nov 29 19:26:51 * luke-jr wonders if GuruPlug can even do that :x
Nov 29 19:26:55 <kerio> missing power and all
Nov 29 19:26:59 <luke-jr> kerio: with the system on UPS ofc
Nov 29 19:27:03 <kerio> oh
Nov 29 19:27:09 <luke-jr> MicroSD rootfs
Nov 29 19:27:45 <kerio> i should buy a ups
Nov 29 19:28:40 <luke-jr> buy 20 UPS and chain them :P
Nov 29 19:29:29 <kerio> nah, it's just to power router, modem, sheevaplug and hd
Nov 29 19:29:34 <kerio> the printer can go fuck itself
Nov 29 19:30:16 <kerio> my router is =3
Nov 29 19:30:54 <kerio> btw, what could i do with a usb-enabled dd-wrt router?
Nov 29 19:31:00 <luke-jr> …
Nov 29 19:31:12 <luke-jr> I was just thinking plug alone :P
Nov 29 19:31:27 <luke-jr> if I get a plug, it will be my router
Nov 29 19:32:20 <kerio> linksys wrt610n
Nov 29 19:32:40 <kerio> 2.4ghz/5ghz radio, 4+1gigE, 1 usb port
Nov 29 19:32:49 <kerio> it looks really, really cool
Nov 29 19:33:30 <luke-jr> …
Nov 29 19:34:08 <luke-jr> GuruPlug Server Plus, same minus 3 gigE plus 1 USB plus lots of RAM and expandable storage
Nov 29 19:34:17 <luke-jr> and might actually run free software
Nov 29 19:34:39 <kerio> i have two independent wifi interfaces
Nov 29 19:34:40 <luke-jr> if only it wasn't a power hog
Nov 29 19:35:48 <kerio> luke-jr: i have a bigass house, the signal doesn't even reach fully
Nov 29 19:36:13 <kerio> and dd-wrt is *almost* open, come on
Nov 29 19:41:51 <luke-jr> DD-Wrt is also crap
Nov 29 19:44:57 <kerio> wut
Nov 29 20:24:09 <comradekingu> kerio: he means OpenWRT is good, in regards to aspects regarding freedom
Nov 29 20:24:20 <kerio> well duh
Nov 29 20:24:26 <kerio> it also doesn't support the wrt610n
Nov 29 20:24:41 <comradekingu> ok
Nov 29 20:24:43 <kerio> so my choice is either linksys' default firmware - and they stopped trying a long time ago - or ddwrt
Nov 29 20:25:15 <comradekingu> How about an asus RT 16n or netgear router
Nov 29 20:29:13 <comradekingu> There once was a man whos house was so big the wifi signals wouldnt quite reach the perimiters of his grand abode. One day the man was in the outskirts of said conduit and was left without a signal. The man thought to himself, "this is bad", "something must be done". Subsequenty he installed DD-wrt. Even though OpenWRT is all sorts of better.
Nov 29 20:32:53 <kerio> hahaha what
Nov 29 20:35:17 <Barlow> rofl
Nov 29 20:36:18 <kerio> no, the "my house is big" is a response to "why didn't you buy a guruplug to act as a router"
Nov 29 20:49:14 <comradekingu> ok, that is a bro story, cool
Nov 30 01:08:56 <luke-jr> kerio: it doesn't support WRT610N because it sucks
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