**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 09 02:59:57 2011
Feb 09 23:12:24 <Blizz_> hey, anyone around?
Feb 09 23:17:45 <kerio> no
Feb 09 23:17:48 <kerio> nobody around
Feb 09 23:18:03 <Blizz_> oh :(
Feb 09 23:18:04 <kerio> i'm just a figment of your imagination
Feb 09 23:18:07 <Blizz_> how unfortunate
Feb 09 23:18:30 <Blizz_> Anyways I want to get a plugpc to run debian
Feb 09 23:18:34 <Blizz_> would sheevaplug do the job?
Feb 09 23:18:45 <kerio> sure
Feb 09 23:18:56 <kerio> but i'd buy at least a standard guruplug
Feb 09 23:19:01 <kerio> it costs the same nowadays
Feb 09 23:19:12 <kerio> the dreamplug should be out really, really soon
Feb 09 23:20:03 <Blizz_> dreamplug?
Feb 09 23:20:04 <Blizz_> hmm
Feb 09 23:20:08 <Blizz_> is it worth the extra money?
Feb 09 23:20:14 <Blizz_> im looking at the page as we speak..
Feb 09 23:20:14 <UnaClocker> I wouldn't get a Guruplug, it's a POS..
Feb 09 23:20:41 <UnaClocker> They should have all been recalled when they didn't work as advertised.
Feb 09 23:20:57 <Blizz_> so what's the verdict then?
Feb 09 23:21:14 <UnaClocker> Sheeva, if it fits your needs, or wait a month for the DreamPlug.
Feb 09 23:21:30 <kerio> the dreamplug is really really cool
Feb 09 23:21:32 <Blizz_> how much will the dreamplug be?
Feb 09 23:21:37 <kerio> 125, afaik
Feb 09 23:21:42 <UnaClocker> $149
Feb 09 23:21:48 <kerio> oh, it's 150? :(
Feb 09 23:22:07 <Blizz_> D:
Feb 09 23:22:33 <UnaClocker> The Sheeva is still $99, and for the truely cheap, there's always the Seagate Dockstar
Feb 09 23:22:52 <kerio> well the dockstar sells for like 70$ now
Feb 09 23:22:54 <Blizz_> well i dont see why I'd need dreamplug over sheeva, they seem very similar
Feb 09 23:23:18 <kerio> Blizz_: two ethernet, wifi, bluetooth, two usb, µSD vs NAND
Feb 09 23:23:29 <UnaClocker> Dreamplug is handy if you're using it as a router, two NIC's.. Tho I route with my Sheeva with a USB-ethernet adapter.. And the onboard SATA is nice..
Feb 09 23:23:49 <kerio> oh right, eSATA too
Feb 09 23:24:15 <Blizz_> my potential plug will be running debian with apache,php,mysql, etc. and host a quake 3 server on occasion for my lan parties
Feb 09 23:24:23 <Blizz_> it needs to be wired though
Feb 09 23:24:40 <kerio> 1998 called, they want their dedicated server back :P
Feb 09 23:24:48 <Blizz_> :C
Feb 09 23:24:54 <kerio> if a sheevaplug is fine, buy a sheevaplug
Feb 09 23:25:01 <kerio> it's cuter anyway ^_^
Feb 09 23:27:08 <Blizz_> lol
Feb 09 23:27:10 <kerio> http://www.plugcomputer.org/plugwiki/index.php/Installing_Debian_To_Flash
Feb 09 23:27:13 <Blizz_> ill put cute stickers on it!
Feb 09 23:27:23 <Blizz_> ah, so it has NAND memory?
Feb 09 23:27:30 <Blizz_> i thought it could boot via sd/usb?
Feb 09 23:28:15 <kerio> that, too
Feb 09 23:28:22 <Blizz_> ah
Feb 09 23:28:33 <kerio> but booting from NAND is always reliable
Feb 09 23:28:38 <kerio> booting from other stuff... isn't
Feb 09 23:29:15 <Blizz_> makes sense
Feb 09 23:29:20 <Blizz_> how much onboard does it have?
Feb 09 23:29:25 <Blizz_> wait im asking stupid questions
Feb 09 23:29:27 <Blizz_> im sure it says
Feb 09 23:29:30 <kerio> 512mb
Feb 09 23:29:48 <Blizz_> is that enough for core debian?
Feb 09 23:29:58 <Blizz_> i guess you could store /home and packages elsewhere
Feb 09 23:30:01 <kerio> are you kidding me
Feb 09 23:30:02 <kerio> it's plenty
Feb 09 23:30:11 <Blizz_> haha, fair enough
Feb 09 23:31:38 <kerio> is it weird that i paid more for my router than for my server?
Feb 09 23:31:51 <Blizz_> yes
Feb 09 23:31:54 <Blizz_> yes it is.
Feb 09 23:33:53 <kerio> but it's a really nice router
Feb 09 23:34:22 <Blizz_> interesting
Feb 09 23:42:00 <Tootoot222> UnaClocker: only the guruplug plus had any problems
Feb 09 23:42:04 <Tootoot222> the standard worked perfectally fine
Feb 09 23:42:26 <Tootoot222> it's still the same price as the sheevaplug but you get wifi, esata, etc
Feb 09 23:42:44 <Tootoot222> i'd personally wait for the dreamplug though, if only for the internal microsd
Feb 09 23:48:28 <kerio> Tootoot222: do we have details about how that works yet?
Feb 09 23:48:34 <kerio> where is uboot installed?
Feb 10 00:03:45 <Tootoot222> kerio: there's a 2mb flash partition
Feb 10 00:04:07 <Tootoot222> they didn't completely remove the flash, just the part for rootfs
Feb 10 00:04:11 <Tootoot222> they give 2mb for storing uboot and settings
Feb 10 00:04:14 <Tootoot222> (plenty of space)
Feb 10 00:05:40 <Tootoot222> the uboot on the older plugs only used 0xa0000 (655kb) for uboot and settings
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