**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 27 02:59:57 2011 Jun 27 18:23:43 hello all Jun 27 18:24:07 hoi Sheeva_fried_Tom Jun 27 18:24:18 I'm in trouble with my sheevaplug Jun 27 18:25:20 2 days ago, it stopped working, I have hte green led ok, the two ethernet port leds (orange and green) on and not blinking Jun 27 18:25:34 and impossible to get connexion through usb port Jun 27 18:25:51 I tried the reset switch, power it off and on... Jun 27 18:26:03 still no response from the device Jun 27 18:26:19 not even detected by a dmesg on my desktop Jun 27 18:26:39 Sheeva_fried_Tom: were you running an unpowered usb device off of it? Jun 27 18:26:50 no, a SD card Jun 27 18:27:05 and the power unit seems to be ok Jun 27 18:27:58 but the AG10 cell battery has a bad looking... Jun 27 18:28:32 (I just removed it) Jun 27 18:29:23 did it leak corrosion on the board? Jun 27 18:30:49 no, except on its own connector Jun 27 21:52:10 there's a #sheevaplug channel too.. im new with plug computers, just browsing the market Jun 27 21:52:16 DreamPlug is the successor of sheevaplug? Jun 27 21:54:48 Ramosa: dreamplug is the successor of the guruplug which was the successor of the sheevaplug Jun 27 21:54:51 so, yes Jun 27 21:55:50 ok, is it a channel about these 3 primarily? or about all low-power microservers ? Jun 27 21:56:21 the discussion is pretty much about those three, yeah Jun 27 21:56:34 although others are welcome, as we have a general knowledge of embedded devices Jun 27 21:58:19 only company I found in my country that sells this stuff is www.opencompany.dk .. they got fit-pc's (heard a 3 is on the way) dreamplug, sheevaplug and Trim Slice. I think Trim Slice is the first based on Tegra 2 but they have a big warning when you click Purchase on their website :) http://trimslice.com/web/read-before-ordering Jun 27 21:58:56 seems that tegra hardware not supported well by linux yet.. so I'm guessing if it's the same with all ARM based processors Jun 27 22:02:01 just is interesting for me if I can add graphics and still be around 5W Jun 27 22:12:51 Ramosa: have you seen if newit will ship to your country? Jun 27 22:12:57 they ship to all of europe iirc Jun 27 22:13:28 i think they will, but not sure if their power plugs will fit here Jun 27 22:14:05 Ramosa: nobody ever uses the actual plug anyway Jun 27 22:14:11 but what they have that opencompany.dk doesn't? Jun 27 22:14:15 everyone just plugs a standard figure-8 cable in Jun 27 22:14:33 and newIT plugs are the de-facto standard Jun 27 22:14:39 because they're just globalscale plugs Jun 27 22:15:02 ok.. well they are a bit cheaper than here Jun 27 22:15:45 if not using the plug isnt it kinda in the way? or can it be removed Jun 27 22:16:16 Ramosa: Usblink? Jun 27 22:16:32 Ramosa: it can be removed, usually Jun 27 22:16:43 down with globalscale Jun 27 22:16:53 dreamplugs have removable PSUs, the other ones just have a figure-8 port Jun 27 22:17:34 I wonder why its either failtrain psu non removable or ok psu removable Jun 27 22:18:08 not sure I know what a figure-8 port is Jun 27 22:18:15 ahh duh, yes I know :) Jun 27 22:18:34 we have 220V here Jun 27 22:19:56 and yeah, globalscale fucked up badly with the sheeva/guru PSUs Jun 27 22:23:06 is the ARM causing trouble with popular linux distros such as ubuntu? Jun 27 22:29:05 well, ubuntu doesn't support ARM Jun 27 22:29:09 so... yes? Jun 27 22:29:12 no? Jun 27 22:29:18 it depends on how you see it Jun 27 22:29:23 debian works Jun 27 22:37:12 ubuntu doesnt support armv5 they do have some arm support Jun 27 22:37:30 I see, and is debian 100% compatible or does it take extra tweaking as if you would run debian on x86 or something Jun 27 22:37:55 only troublesome thing can be the uBoot Jun 27 22:38:10 Upgrading that not related to debian though, 100% Jun 27 22:39:25 i like the looks of this :) http://xi3.org/ reminds of SpaceCube Jun 27 22:39:36 i think this will come with chromeOS Jun 27 22:42:25 but for compatibility i guess fit-pc is a better option for me then, as it is atom based.. but they also cost twice as much as plugs Jun 27 22:52:13 comradekingu, yeah 2 users just reported problems with uboot on #sheevaplug :) Jun 27 22:53:31 get one that works, stick with it. Jun 27 22:53:48 thats why I do research Jun 27 22:54:51 i think thats x86 Jun 27 22:55:40 yes atom? Jun 27 22:59:15 Ramosa: If you want something with graphics you should get one of the arm development boards Jun 27 23:00:27 http://www.origenboard.org/index.php?mid=store_page http://pandaboard.org/ http://store.envizionsinc.com/gamebox-console-powered-by-android-pre-order-developers-android.html Jun 27 23:00:39 going to slumber for a while, will be back Jun 27 23:01:46 ok.. graphics is nice-to-have not need-to-have if at the expense of many watts .. and not really looking for boards and DIY solutions.. server in a box for me :) Jun 27 23:02:41 Ramosa: server in a box = dreamplug imo, i run mine as a router Jun 27 23:02:48 plug one eth into my modem, the other into a wired switch Jun 27 23:02:59 few iptables rules and dnsmasq later, it's a router Jun 27 23:03:39 plus i have my irc and torrent clients running on it, as well as http, irc, ssh (etc) severs Jun 27 23:04:34 nice.. i need a dev server first and foremost Jun 27 23:04:41 but any serving needs might pop up Jun 27 23:05:34 am not used to linux, and would prefer not to be limited in picking distro Jun 27 23:08:12 Ramosa: pretty much the only distros that don't have arm builds is red hat and ubuntu Jun 27 23:08:15 most everything else does Jun 27 23:08:29 i use gentoo on mine, to ensure maximum software compatibility Jun 27 23:08:30 lime has? Jun 27 23:08:48 mint is based on ubuntu Jun 27 23:08:49 so no Jun 27 23:09:50 where did you buy yours Jun 27 23:10:09 globalscale Jun 27 23:10:12 i'm in the usa Jun 27 23:10:26 ok, thought they were the inventors Jun 27 23:12:12 dreamplug came out when? Jun 27 23:13:44 recently Jun 27 23:13:47 month or two ago Jun 27 23:13:54 er maybe more like febuary Jun 27 23:15:57 tegra2 is also ARM? Jun 27 23:16:35 yes Jun 27 23:16:36 arm 9 Jun 27 23:16:40 which means ubuntu will support it Jun 27 23:16:54 oh Jun 27 23:17:05 they dropped arm 6 and below Jun 27 23:17:11 but why this warning? http://trimslice.com/web/read-before-ordering Jun 27 23:17:12 sheeva/guru/dream is arm 5 Jun 27 23:17:20 probably because of nvidia drivers Jun 27 23:17:27 because its a new arm? or because its arm in general Jun 27 23:17:29 it's just saying, it will take some doing to get it to work properly Jun 27 23:17:41 isnt this the same with dreamplug? Jun 27 23:17:42 might not work out of the box, or might have issues if it does Jun 27 23:18:02 nah, the dreamplug pretty much works out of the box.. although almost everybody nukes the default install and puts either a vanilla debian, or another distro Jun 27 23:18:20 the globalscale software guys are a bit silly with their default systems... lol Jun 27 23:18:42 it's made to be totally hackable though Jun 27 23:18:48 so it's trivial to do Jun 27 23:19:26 im ok with trim not working out of the box.. as long as it would work with a vanilla ubuntu or something Jun 27 23:20:32 and it seems to me that the OS can be installed on SD cards.. so you can practically just plug in a new OS Jun 27 23:20:36 yup Jun 27 23:20:48 sd card, usb drive, nfs share, or even the internal memory Jun 27 23:21:21 would you get a trim? Jun 27 23:21:37 a trim? Jun 27 23:21:41 trim slice Jun 27 23:21:52 of what? Jun 27 23:22:03 hah Jun 27 23:22:06 trimslice.com Jun 27 23:22:43 ah Jun 27 23:22:53 well i have a sheevaplug, guruplug, and dreamplug already Jun 27 23:23:11 if anything i need it would be something with graphics, probably Jun 27 23:23:20 thats a trim Jun 27 23:23:47 ah Jun 27 23:24:07 tegra2 = cpu and gpu on same chip Jun 27 23:24:19 ahh, right Jun 27 23:24:32 media server, devserver in one unit.. around 5W, yummie Jun 27 23:25:42 hah just found out its the same company that produce fit-pc Jun 27 23:25:46 http://trimslice.com/web/other-products Jun 27 23:26:02 lol Jun 27 23:27:35 bedtime, see ya **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 28 00:11:47 2011 Jun 28 01:22:35 d2plug is supposed to be armv7 right? Jun 28 01:22:38 which ubuntu supports Jun 28 01:24:24 yup Jun 28 01:29:07 does debian support armv7+? Jun 28 01:30:05 dmb: debian supports arm v5 Jun 28 01:30:16 and afaik most arms are backwards compatible Jun 28 01:30:23 so 7 can run 5 code Jun 28 01:30:25 so, yes Jun 28 01:32:58 oh Jun 28 01:33:28 guess its like i386, 486,586,686 Jun 28 01:34:16 yeah- Jun 28 01:34:20 s/-$// **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 28 02:59:58 2011