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Jul 10 12:42:13 <Ramosa> whats the best linux for ARM currently
Jul 10 12:49:17 <Barlow> there is no best linux distro, it's all a matter of preference
Jul 10 12:56:25 <elFidel> 100% right
Jul 10 12:56:39 <Ramosa> does anyone have a fit-pc?
Jul 10 12:57:14 <Ramosa> its atom based, but 8W at full load, which is kind of like the dreamplug i think
Jul 10 12:57:43 <Ramosa> i dont care if its ARM or x86, the most important to me is the watt usage and the supported OS options
Jul 10 12:58:10 <Ramosa> and I think x86 has far wider support, right?
Jul 10 12:59:21 <elFidel> regarding support: i guess so
Jul 10 12:59:34 <elFidel> but no experiences with fit-pcs on my side
Jul 10 13:00:38 <Ramosa> company who makes fit-pc's is coming with a fit-pc3 based on AMD Fusion and a trim slice which is ARM 9
Jul 10 13:00:57 <kerio> Ramosa: debian has full armel support
Jul 10 13:01:25 <Ramosa> kerio, but not for newer ARM's such as 9 right?
Jul 10 13:01:42 <kerio> i don't see why not
Jul 10 13:01:57 <kerio> ubuntu is the one being stupid
Jul 10 13:02:57 <Ramosa> what is AMD Fusion classified as?
Jul 10 13:03:00 <Ramosa> they call it an APU
Jul 10 13:57:23 <Ramosa> what about an embedded linux solution like this http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=112
Jul 10 13:59:57 <Ramosa> ah its not even cheaper than dreamplug :)
Jul 10 14:10:45 <kerio> Ramosa: i'd say it's the same as a dreamplug
Jul 10 14:10:52 <kerio> -ish
Jul 10 14:11:08 <Ramosa> right.. but I dont want HDD.. takes too much power
Jul 10 14:11:31 <Ramosa> my windows home server with is also atom based speds about 45W idle
Jul 10 14:11:38 <Ramosa> guess it must be the 4 HDD's
Jul 10 14:11:42 <kerio> the dreamplug doesn't have an hdd
Jul 10 14:11:46 <Ramosa> i know
Jul 10 14:12:18 <kerio> is the dplug bootloader upgradeable?
Jul 10 14:12:49 <kerio> and is the internal µSD accessible?
Jul 10 14:13:18 <Ramosa> you lost me there
Jul 10 14:14:04 <Ramosa> you got the dreamplug right?
Jul 10 14:17:16 <kerio> no, i have a sheevaplug
Jul 10 14:17:55 <kerio> internal flash <3
Jul 10 14:23:09 <Ramosa> which of these you got: http://www.newit.co.uk/shop/products.php?cat=5
Jul 10 14:26:09 <Ramosa> and what OS you run
Jul 10 14:42:54 <kerio> the original one
Jul 10 14:43:30 <kerio> and i'm running debian testing now
Jul 10 14:54:56 <Ramosa> im looking for a sheeva vs dream comparison, but hard to find
Jul 10 14:55:28 <kerio> the dream is better :)
Jul 10 14:55:36 <kerio> but it's more expensive
Jul 10 14:56:23 <Ramosa> its 135 pounds compared to these prices http://www.newit.co.uk/shop/products.php?cat=5
Jul 10 14:56:31 <Ramosa> so the question is price vs performance
Jul 10 14:56:43 <kerio> well, what do you need?
Jul 10 14:57:20 <Ramosa> for web app development.. server stuff
Jul 10 14:57:50 <Ramosa> node.js, mongodb
Jul 10 14:58:54 <kerio> do you think you can get by with a sheevaplug?
Jul 10 14:59:18 <Ramosa> depends.. I would like a comparison chart
Jul 10 14:59:26 <Ramosa> and so many versions of sheeva
Jul 10 15:00:53 <Ramosa> found something here http://www.newit.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1121.0.html
Jul 10 15:03:04 <Ramosa> 1 GB NAND and 800 MHz ram is better
Jul 10 15:03:08 <Ramosa> dont need wifi or BT2.1
Jul 10 15:04:20 <Ramosa> what is the NAND used for?
Jul 10 15:15:10 <Ramosa> im guessing for installing the OS
Jul 10 15:15:25 <Ramosa> sheeva comes with ubuntu 9, so i guess it works on ubuntu
Jul 10 15:15:30 <Ramosa> wonder what would happen if installed ubuntu 11
Jul 10 15:28:22 <Ramosa> i could also run a virtual machine, but none of them are lightweight enough
Jul 10 15:28:28 <Ramosa> I think..
Jul 10 15:57:17 <noidea> Ramosa: you cant
Jul 10 15:57:40 <noidea> There are no longer ubuntu builds for arm
Jul 10 15:57:46 <noidea> they stopped with ubuntu 9.04
Jul 10 15:57:46 <Ramosa> ok
Jul 10 15:58:04 <noidea> So you could try debian, which is similar
Jul 10 15:58:26 <noidea> or stick with ubuntu 9.04, which is now 2 years old and probably has security risks
Jul 10 15:58:41 <noidea> and I think there is an arch build called plugbox?
Jul 10 15:58:44 <Ramosa> oh no, i wanna ride the front wave :)
Jul 10 15:58:46 <noidea> idk I I cant remember
Jul 10 15:59:08 <noidea> Tootoot222: you there?
Jul 10 15:59:18 <Ramosa> noidea, which one you got?
Jul 10 15:59:32 <noidea> Ramosa: I had a sheeva before it fried :/
Jul 10 15:59:45 <noidea> I didnt get another one though
Jul 10 16:00:00 <noidea> I built an htpc because I wanted to be able to show movies etc
Jul 10 16:00:13 <noidea> but I can say that I loved the sheeva while I had it
Jul 10 16:00:20 <noidea> I got it towards the end of '09
Jul 10 16:00:34 <noidea> died in the summer of '10
Jul 10 16:00:50 <Ramosa> just bought an acer eee box for someone, as desktop pc.. running windows it's not fast enough for 1080 video as advertised
Jul 10 16:01:22 <fulgore> i've got a sheeva running ubuntu 9.04 too
Jul 10 16:01:24 <noidea> mmm. does it have that nvidia ion and what not?
Jul 10 16:01:27 <fulgore> its pretty sweet
Jul 10 16:01:28 <Ramosa> yes ion
Jul 10 16:01:38 <Ramosa> i think second generation
Jul 10 16:01:51 <Ramosa> it runs 1080, but barely.. cant run other things and shouldnt move the mouse :p
Jul 10 16:02:11 <noidea> My htpc has an nvidia 430
Jul 10 16:02:23 <noidea> but I dont have a 1080p to test it out on
Jul 10 16:02:30 <noidea> 1080p tv*
Jul 10 16:02:49 <noidea> it does run 720p very well tho
Jul 10 16:03:32 <noidea> Ramosa: Tootoot222 has a sheeva, a guru, and the dream plug. So if you're looking for a comparison, Im sure hes the guy to do it
Jul 10 16:03:33 <Ramosa> according to http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/low_end_gpus.html
Jul 10 16:03:40 <Ramosa> I think ION is 2 times better than 430
Jul 10 16:03:41 <noidea> Ramosa: Tootoot222 has a sheeva, a guru, and the dream plug. So if you're looking for a comparison, Im sure hes the guy to do it
Jul 10 16:03:44 <noidea> Hes probably at work atm.*
Jul 10 16:03:47 <noidea> Sorry
Jul 10 16:04:07 <Ramosa> im really looking for a comparison with everything on the market :)
Jul 10 16:04:46 <noidea> oh. then idk.
Jul 10 16:04:54 <noidea> also the 430 isnt on that list :/
Jul 10 16:05:02 <noidea> Hostname: htpc - OS: Linux 2.6.35-25-generic/i686 - Distro: Ubuntu 10.10 - CPU: 2 x Pentium Dual-Core (2133.000 MHz) - Processes: 181 - Uptime: 1d 19h 9m - Users: 4 - Load Average: 0.44 - Memory Usage: 414.82MB/2011.09MB (20.63%) - Disk Usage: 810.76GB/914.80GB (88.63%)
Jul 10 16:05:02 <Ramosa> ok
Jul 10 16:05:15 <fulgore> sheeva/guru are about the best price/performance tiny computers out there.
Jul 10 16:05:29 <fulgore> i haven't played with a dreamplug yet
Jul 10 16:05:51 <Ramosa> main problem is that ARM puts a limit on OS availability
Jul 10 16:05:57 <fulgore> yep
Jul 10 16:06:12 <fulgore> debian runs fine on them
Jul 10 16:06:25 <fulgore> which is my os of choice
Jul 10 16:07:03 <noidea> arm also puts a limit on the amount of packages you can get
Jul 10 16:07:06 <noidea> in a repo
Jul 10 16:07:06 <Ramosa> my main OS of choice is whatever is best for the task any given day :)
Jul 10 16:07:23 <noidea> I remember that when i was trying to install webcam software for my sheeva
Jul 10 16:07:32 <noidea> with a cheapy webcam
Jul 10 16:07:35 <Ramosa> oh, thats even worse
Jul 10 16:07:44 <noidea> No one had built arm packages for it
Jul 10 16:07:46 <noidea> Right.
Jul 10 16:08:19 <fulgore> get a mac mini then :p
Jul 10 16:08:27 <Ramosa> so to get full compatibility, x86 is the only way? and to get low watt at the same time I guess only choice is Atom, right?
Jul 10 16:08:37 <Ramosa> Mac mini is nice, but hardly price vs performance wise
Jul 10 16:08:39 <noidea> no thanks
Jul 10 16:08:44 <noidea> @atom
Jul 10 16:08:49 <noidea> atom is horrible
Jul 10 16:08:51 <fulgore> yar, cost is fail on mac mini
Jul 10 16:09:03 <Ramosa> noidea, because?
Jul 10 16:09:16 <noidea> whats macmini got in it? pent4 and 256MB of ram?
Jul 10 16:09:26 <fulgore> core 2 duo
Jul 10 16:09:26 <Ramosa> who knows, they never give specs :)
Jul 10 16:09:27 <noidea> Ramosa: look at all comparisons with atom
Jul 10 16:09:31 <fulgore> 2 gigs of ram maybe
Jul 10 16:09:52 <noidea> atom's performance is always bad
Jul 10 16:09:55 <Ramosa> noidea.. comparisons is more than bits and bytes... compatibility with OS and repo software counts too.. and watt usage
Jul 10 16:10:02 <noidea> fulgore: thats not bad. How much is it?
Jul 10 16:10:09 <Ramosa> for server i dont need much performance.. ill never use it for production
Jul 10 16:10:10 <fulgore> cost is the problem...
Jul 10 16:10:21 <Ramosa> I just need low watt, in a neat package, at low price :p
Jul 10 16:10:24 <fulgore> start at $699
Jul 10 16:10:39 <noidea> ehhhh..
Jul 10 16:10:50 <fulgore> yeah
Jul 10 16:10:58 <fulgore> i can't possibly justify that
Jul 10 16:11:00 <noidea> Ramosa: I used to run rtorrent, irssi, and irc bot, and other services on my plug
Jul 10 16:11:12 <noidea> Ramosa: I know people that run that + websites off their sheevas
Jul 10 16:11:47 <fulgore> noidea: are you still running ubuntu 9.04 on it?
Jul 10 16:11:56 <noidea> No, its dead
Jul 10 16:12:00 <Ramosa> sheeva is nice, if it wasnt for the ARM limit :) been looking at fit-pc2, but is not cheap enough
Jul 10 16:12:03 <fulgore> ah. sad :(
Jul 10 16:12:14 <noidea> yea :/
Jul 10 16:12:22 <noidea> Actually died about a year ago
Jul 10 16:12:26 <fulgore> i recently got my sheeva back online and realized that 9.04 is end of life
Jul 10 16:12:35 <noidea> yea
Jul 10 16:12:36 <fulgore> can't dist upgrade either
Jul 10 16:12:37 <fulgore> bummer
Jul 10 16:12:50 <fulgore> saw some possibly iffy guides on putting debian on it
Jul 10 16:12:58 <fulgore> don't wanna brick the thing tho
Jul 10 16:13:45 <noidea> A lot of people run debian on it
Jul 10 16:13:52 <noidea> It shouldnt be an issue putting it on
Jul 10 18:20:43 <comradekingu> put debian on it
Jul 11 00:03:58 <tinker-f595> fulgore: fedora arm is alive and well http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM
Jul 11 00:05:06 <tinker-f595> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/arm
Jul 11 02:06:37 <ahigerd1> Success!
Jul 11 02:07:07 <ahigerd1> I posted on the OpenSSL mailing list asking for advice and someone replied back to me with a DIFFERENT OpenSSL engine that doesn't have a cryptodev dependency
Jul 11 02:07:08 <ahigerd1> http://carnivore.it/2011/04/23/openssl_-_af_alg
Jul 11 02:07:20 <ahigerd1> Works like a charm! SSL is up and running with full acceleration.
Jul 11 02:08:39 <ahigerd1> Oh wait. Crap.
Jul 11 02:09:09 <ahigerd1> Never mind, same problem after all. OpenSSL wasn't picking up this engine automatically like it was the cryptodev one, so I was just running in software.
Jul 11 02:12:28 <Tootoot222> lol
Jul 11 02:12:35 <Tootoot222> ahigerd1: so the non-cryptodev one has the same problem?
Jul 11 02:12:47 <ahigerd1> Well, it fails in the same place.
Jul 11 02:12:50 <Tootoot222> must be a problem with openssl itself then, or the hardware chip
Jul 11 02:13:01 <ahigerd1> I'm wondering if it's an error in the Kirkwood drivers in the kernel.
Jul 11 02:13:06 <ahigerd1> Not with OpenSSL or the hardware
Jul 11 02:13:36 <Tootoot222> could be
Jul 11 02:14:19 <ahigerd1> It's not EXACTLY the same failure, though; OpenSSL 1.0.0d was segfaulting with cryptodev-linux but it's just giving me an error message and dropping the connection with af-alg
Jul 11 02:14:45 <ahigerd1> But it's the same error I was getting in 0.9.8n, so... close enough.
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