**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 19 02:59:57 2011 Oct 19 05:25:49 Hey guys Oct 19 05:26:24 I upgraded my guruplug and dreamplug using aptitude and the default distro Oct 19 05:26:31 (debian lenny i presume) Oct 19 05:26:50 i think this killed something with the networking features Oct 19 05:26:56 i now get the following: Oct 19 05:26:57 sheevaplug-debian:~# arp -a Oct 19 05:26:57 sheevaplug-debian:~# Oct 19 05:27:00 cool story bro Oct 19 05:27:13 any hints would be appreciated :) Oct 19 05:27:47 check /etc/network/interfaces i guess Oct 19 05:28:29 okie doke i'll look into it / read about it Oct 19 05:28:37 newb here obviously, but willing to learn Oct 19 05:34:33 yep that was it :) Oct 19 05:34:40 thanks kerio Oct 19 09:13:12 Hi @ all! Is there a specialiced wiki/forum for the DreamPlug? Oct 19 09:29:47 Andy1978: The newit forum is pretty good www.newit.co.uk/forum Oct 19 09:42:14 leighbb: Hey thank you very much Oct 20 01:28:32 hello Oct 20 01:28:56 Greetings. Oct 20 01:32:46 i have a pogoplug, i don't really know anything about linux, i want to install ubuntu 9.0.4 on it as painfree as possible, where do you recommend i start? Oct 20 01:33:16 Is there a reason you want to install Ubuntu? Oct 20 01:33:23 Ubuntu has stopped supporting the ARM architecture. Oct 20 01:33:40 Debian, on which Ubuntu is based, still supports ARM and is a better choice in my opinion. It's what I use on my Sheevaplugs. Oct 20 01:33:58 i have archarmlinux on my pogoplug and i can't get it to support my printer Oct 20 01:34:11 my brother told me to stop screwing around with cups and install ubuntu Oct 20 01:34:25 as it should have good printer support Oct 20 01:34:34 It's dead-end on ARM now, so I wouldn't recommend it. Oct 20 01:34:37 kbot Oct 20 01:34:48 yes Oct 20 01:34:53 kbot: ubuntu uses cups as well Oct 20 01:35:00 that too. Oct 20 01:35:11 kbot: cus is very simple to set up Oct 20 01:35:15 cups Oct 20 01:35:22 some printers just aren't well supported by Linux. Oct 20 01:35:47 PhotoJim: I have actually found printer support on Linux to better than Windows Oct 20 01:35:51 idk i can't get it to work at all Oct 20 01:36:06 my brother said ubuntu should make the printer just work Oct 20 01:36:25 i don't really care which operating system i end up using as long as it works Oct 20 01:36:46 tinker-f595: it depends on the printer. the inkjet I have in the basement will not work under Linux at all. however, my Brother laser is very well supported under Linux. that suits me fine since I rarely use the inkjet. Oct 20 01:36:58 i've a samsung laser Oct 20 01:37:13 kbot: it's not that simple, unfortunately. and like I said, they don't update ARM Ubuntu anymore. support stopped in April, 2011. Oct 20 01:37:16 kbot: samsung laser is supported Oct 20 01:37:30 kbot: how are you trying to access cups? Oct 20 01:37:35 cups admin that is Oct 20 01:37:50 hold on Oct 20 01:37:52 it is on port 631 Oct 20 01:38:15 so if you were on the machine locally it would be http://localhost:631/ Oct 20 01:38:17 http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1657&p=9146&hilit=pogoplug+samsung#p9146 Oct 20 01:38:22 theres stuff that i tried so far Oct 20 01:38:25 (on archarmlinux) Oct 20 01:42:40 so do you think i should just put debian on it? Oct 20 01:42:52 I wouldn't put Ubuntu on it. Oct 20 01:43:06 Debian is similar to Ubuntu in terms of how you administer it, so if you would have liked Ubuntu, you will like Debian. Oct 20 01:43:22 Ubuntu's great on Intel and AMD, and that's about it. Oct 20 01:43:34 Ubuntu is never great ;) Oct 20 01:43:37 Heh. Oct 20 01:43:49 I run Ubuntu on my server, but only because I wanted to try it. I usually ran Debian. Oct 20 01:44:34 okay but if i put debian on it will the printer just work? Oct 20 01:44:51 i shouldn't have to recompile every single driver just to get something to work Oct 20 01:45:03 It's as likely to just work as it would have been with Ubuntu, that's all I can say. Oct 20 01:45:06 kbot: I just looked at the manual for your printer. it supports postscript 3 so any postscript driver should work Oct 20 01:45:14 There you go. Oct 20 01:46:08 i thought that was the delux version of ml2510 or something Oct 20 01:46:44 yep Oct 20 01:46:58 postscript emulation na Oct 20 01:48:31 kbot: what was that? Oct 20 01:48:59 The manual seems to indicate it doesn't support postscript emulation Oct 20 01:49:04 only higher end models do Oct 20 01:49:10 does it do PCL? Oct 20 01:49:14 kbo Oct 20 01:49:42 kbot: I downloaded another version of the manual and it seems you are correct...no PS and no PCL Oct 20 01:50:04 what the heck Oct 20 01:50:09 ya Oct 20 01:50:13 http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/200809/20080926100848859_Guide_English.pdf Oct 20 01:50:16 http://www.retrevo.com/d/df/document.pdf?doc=ebd3be3f1fb14fd4abbebceea70ed83c&ts=1316104633804&rk=0.3961228673443492 Oct 20 01:50:34 should i just use a different printer then Oct 20 01:50:39 kbot: http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/200809/20080926100848859_Guide_English.pdf Oct 20 01:50:43 i have two laser printers i like the samsung better Oct 20 01:51:11 samsung should work let me look at cups on one of my other systems Oct 20 01:52:08 thanks for your help Oct 20 01:52:29 sounds like Samsung is worth avoiding if you care about Linux support Oct 20 01:52:41 I prefer printers with well documented protocols so you don't need to rely on the manufacturer Oct 20 01:52:49 this Brother printer just worked. I was very pleased. Oct 20 01:55:54 you might be able to get your Samsung working too but it will take some learning about Linux. not a beginner's project. Oct 20 01:56:02 i have a brother laser too Oct 20 01:56:10 i want to spend as little time as possible on this Oct 20 01:56:14 check the model and see if it supports PCL or PostScript. Oct 20 01:56:38 my printer wasn't big money. it was only about $130 and it does both wired and WiFi network connections, plus USB if you want. I've never used the USB. Oct 20 01:56:51 you can spend less if you stick to USB, but again, you want PCL or PostScript. Oct 20 01:57:17 PostScript is technically better supported, but PCL under Linux works very well too. slightly slow on some systems but livable. Oct 20 01:59:38 seems to support GDL emulation Oct 20 01:59:42 brother 2140 Oct 20 01:59:51 i mean GDI Oct 20 02:00:51 kbot: see if there is a gdi driver Oct 20 02:00:52 http://www.brother-usa.com/ModelDocuments/Consumer/Users%20Manual/UM_HL_2140_2170W_EN_1160.PDF Oct 20 02:01:12 kbot: gdi offloads all the processing to the OS Oct 20 02:02:21 as Photojim says you can get Brother printers that support postscript for not much cash Oct 20 02:03:53 http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/index.html i don't think theey support linux Oct 20 02:04:01 i have two printers i don't want to buy a third... Oct 20 02:04:13 make a note to buy a compatible printer next time. Oct 20 02:04:22 or find someone to buy the ones you have, and buy a compatible one. Oct 20 02:04:29 get a good compatible printer and you'll have it for a decade or more. Oct 20 02:05:57 so there is nothing i can do to rather painlessly get my printer working? Oct 20 02:05:59 kbot: supposedly this is the driver http://org.downloadcenter.samsung.com/downloadfile/ContentsFile.aspx?CDSite=UNI_CA&CttFileID=2044837&CDCttType=DR&ModelType=N&ModelName=ML-2510&VPath=DR/200902/20090225161105890/UnifiedLinuxDriver.tar.gz Oct 20 02:06:58 quite likely for X86 only if it is gdi though Oct 20 02:07:32 kbot: I am downloading it so I can see what is in the file Oct 20 02:08:34 doesn't seem like it will be painless. Oct 20 02:08:56 not my printer but similar models samsung: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Samsung_ML-2245 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Samsung_ML-2010R Oct 20 02:08:57 I've got a used PostScript printer on my credenza at work I'm giving away. Come to southern Saskatchewan and pick it up :) Oct 20 02:09:10 seemedto able to get their printer working on arm Oct 20 02:09:49 PhotoJim: ha Oct 20 02:11:06 actually nvm that page has rather broken english i'm not sure what hes doing Oct 20 02:17:41 kbot: the "UnifiedLinuxDriver.tar.gz" contains compiled UnifiedLinuxDriver.tar.gz Oct 20 02:17:48 lost my wifi for a minute Oct 20 02:18:24 kbot: the "UnifiedLinuxDriver.tar.gz" contains compiled x86 code ... Oct 20 02:18:46 damn Oct 20 02:20:53 so, i can't get it to work? Oct 20 02:21:22 kbot: I forgot to look and see if cups has a generic GDI driver Oct 20 02:32:13 i can't find anything on it Oct 20 02:32:25 maybe i will just buy a laser multifunction off of ebay Oct 20 02:32:41 might be the thing to do. Oct 20 02:32:46 just make sure it does PCL or PostScript. Oct 20 02:33:52 kbot: I would look for a brother...I much prefer their build quality over hp these days Oct 20 02:34:10 yeah i only like samsung and brother Oct 20 02:34:26 geeze these thigns are all gigantic Oct 20 02:34:50 huh? Oct 20 02:35:02 laser multifunction Oct 20 02:35:13 inkjet multifunctions are really small in comparison Oct 20 02:35:45 kbot: where are you located? Oct 20 02:36:16 detroit/lansing Oct 20 02:36:42 so definitely no Frys there Oct 20 02:39:01 yeah Oct 20 02:39:03 in troy Oct 20 02:39:10 30 min outside of detroit Oct 20 02:39:18 errr Oct 20 02:39:23 microcenter im thinking of Oct 20 02:40:40 laser printers need fusers to work. inkjets just need little tiny printer head nozzles. Oct 20 02:40:43 but lasers are way cheaper to run. Oct 20 02:40:53 so i found a printer that supports pcl but not postscript Oct 20 02:40:53 is that good Oct 20 02:40:54 and they don't get gunk in the heads. they have no heads. Oct 20 02:40:58 PCL is fine. Oct 20 02:41:10 PostScript is better, but for the average user I doubt it would matter. Oct 20 02:41:16 mine doesn't do PS. I manage. Oct 20 02:41:45 yeah refilling cartridges is a pain in the ass Oct 20 02:55:53 is "pcl6" the same as pcl? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Oct 20 02:59:57 2011