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Jul 22 00:39:41 <ingeba> Made tha latest Openslug image, but it fails to come up. Symptoms are: Beeps, but LED goes red, Ethernet LED works, Power off button works, DHCP not started so cannot ping. I have no serial cable (though I've brought the pins out). I would guess the problem to be in the init scripts somewhere, as it looks as the kernel works. Is that a reasonable conclusion?
Jul 22 00:40:44 <ingeba> To be more presise: Power LED is initially green, it seems to boot, then it beeps one time and the power LED goes red.
Jul 22 03:43:46 <DaKa2> jbowler: ah, missed that in vlan, did you do anything about it, or should I?
Jul 22 05:56:14 <DaKa2> jbowler: I just commited a fix for vlan-1.8, hopefully that will work
Jul 22 06:49:13 <[g2]> DaKa2, hey change boy!
Jul 22 06:49:23 <DaKa2> hey :-)
Jul 22 06:49:25 <[g2]> Or is that Mr. DaKa2 Dev now :)
Jul 22 06:49:56 <DaKa2> :)
Jul 22 06:50:13 <[g2]> congrats.... 
Jul 22 06:50:15 <DaKa2> my first commit, and nothing broke (yet)
Jul 22 06:51:35 <DaKa2> and the u-a thing is slowly getting done, a few more packages, a few more rounds in #OE and its could be committed to
Jul 22 06:52:28 <[g2]> one step at at time 
Jul 22 06:53:10 <DaKa2> yup...
Jul 22 06:54:11 <DaKa2> then there is the native build stuff, that probably needs a bit more talking, and then someone just have to put the pieces together
Jul 22 06:54:50 <[g2]> rwhitby-asleep, mentioned updating the NativeCompile wiki page
Jul 22 06:55:05 * dyoung-zzzz cant sleep.
Jul 22 06:55:29 <DaKa2> [g2]: I updated HowTo/OpenSlugNativeCompileEnvironment
Jul 22 06:55:58 <[g2]> yeah... that's what I'm looking at now
Jul 22 06:56:10 <DaKa2> dyoung-zzzz: thats no good, how about counting slugs or something, bug fluffy white slugs
Jul 22 06:58:08 <[g2]> what's on your mind dyoung-zzzz ?
Jul 22 06:59:42 <dyoung-zzzz> DaKa2, do you read stuff in #oe ?
Jul 22 06:59:51 <DaKa2> dyoung-zzzz: some
Jul 22 07:00:27 <DaKa2> something was said there I should read?
Jul 22 07:00:33 <dyoung-zzzz> well the ciabot's database got polluted/infected with that nightmare 3-head unmergable bit they experienced around 6 housr ago.
Jul 22 07:00:52 <dyoung-zzzz> so I'm sorry to say that your first commit will not be reported by CIA unless I enter it manually.
Jul 22 07:01:07 <dyoung-zzzz> and in reality, its easier for me just to say,
Jul 22 07:01:23 <DaKa2> hehe, well, no problem, just it got in the db everything is ok
Jul 22 07:02:28 <dyoung-zzzz> DaKa2 org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * foomatic openembedded/packages/vlan-foo bar changed some foo stuff
Jul 22 07:02:42 <DaKa2> their cia got it atleast :-)
Jul 22 07:11:48 <dyoung-zzzz> Fluffy white slugs....
Jul 22 07:32:20 <ingeba-toandfrom> Is BitBake Build Tool Core version 1.3.0, bitbake version 1.3.1 good enough to build OpenSlug?
Jul 22 07:34:03 <ingeba-toandfrom> Ok: Let's put it like this: Does anyone use these versions to build openslug now and are able to build bootable images of R13?
Jul 22 07:37:24 <DaKa2> ingeba-toandfrom: thats what Im using, dunno about builting R13, but it has worked so far..
Jul 22 07:37:48 <DaKa2> thats what I think Im using atleast..
Jul 22 07:38:05 <ingeba-toandfrom> Ok - when did you last build an image that booted?
Jul 22 07:38:18 <ingeba-toandfrom> Sorry: Thanks DaKa2 ! :-)
Jul 22 07:38:29 <ingeba-toandfrom> Just stressed getting things up and running
Jul 22 07:43:15 <DaKa2> :)
Jul 22 07:53:51 <ingeba-toandfrom> DaKa2: Do you know it there are there any newer binary images or tested snapshots that are not on Berlios newer than 2.0beta from 22/6?
Jul 22 07:55:09 <DaKa2> 2.3beta was just made, and put in svn, but I dont think there are any binary images yet
Jul 22 07:55:13 <Tiersten> There are no official binary releases apart from the ones that are at openslug.org.  Any unofficial ones shouldn't be distributed.
Jul 22 07:55:34 <ingeba-toandfrom> Fair enough, but all svn snapshots are on the dead Berlios site?
Jul 22 07:55:43 <ingeba-toandfrom> Or?
Jul 22 07:56:12 <DaKa2> you can pull the 2.3beta from monotone somehow.. don't rememeber how...
Jul 22 07:56:25 <hanjo> inegba, do you have a devel setup with monotone?
Jul 22 07:56:27 <ingeba-toandfrom> Yes
Jul 22 07:56:38 <DaKa2> whats up with berlios anyway?
Jul 22 07:57:04 <ingeba-toandfrom> Donno - "connection refused" since yesterday morning, but I hope it is only bitbake that resides there.
Jul 22 07:57:56 <hanjo> monotone --db=monotone/nslu2-linux.db co --revision=t:OpenSlug-2.3-beta --branch=org.openembedded.nslu2-linux OpenSlug-2.3-beta 
Jul 22 07:58:06 <hanjo> that has worked for me
Jul 22 07:58:13 <ingeba-toandfrom> hanjo: You're the best!
Jul 22 07:58:37 <hanjo> no, the thanks have to go to rwhitby
Jul 22 07:58:59 <DaKa2> I think there was a problem with the source for something in there, that was only fixed in svn
Jul 22 07:59:00 <hanjo> i just acted as a temp repository of his wisdom :)
Jul 22 07:59:11 <ingeba-toandfrom> :-)
Jul 22 08:00:41 <ingeba-toandfrom> DaKa2: Do you remember what the problem was?
Jul 22 08:01:54 <DaKa2> I think some of the nis utilities, yp-something
Jul 22 08:02:08 <ingeba-toandfrom> Ah  - ok - good. np - :-) Thanks!
Jul 22 10:46:15 <[g2]> DaKa2, NAiL ping
Jul 22 10:46:40 <[g2]> we should move some extra stuff out of openslug packages
Jul 22 10:46:55 <[g2]> and create an openslug-extra
Jul 22 10:47:03 <[g2]> stuff like monotone
Jul 22 10:47:19 <[g2]> and possibly perl
Jul 22 10:48:22 <DaKa2> well, perl shouldn't be in openslug-packages, not for cross build, why move monotone away?
Jul 22 10:49:34 <[g2]> first off it's the wrong version 19
Jul 22 10:49:47 <DaKa2> :) well, that should be fixed
Jul 22 10:49:52 <[g2]> second I don't think anyone uses it 
Jul 22 10:50:00 <[g2]> it take forever on my P4
Jul 22 10:50:09 <DaKa2> we will, for the native build environ, probably, maybe
Jul 22 10:50:37 <[g2]> maybe only witht he loft that's got the 422 (md5/sha1 in hw)
Jul 22 10:50:56 <DaKa2> wget the db and use monotone on that, no revs to check, just unpack the source
Jul 22 10:51:15 <[g2]> I really doubt it 
Jul 22 10:51:33 <[g2]> you'd update the db then wget the file
Jul 22 10:52:04 <[g2]> If we had a tiny monotone db for natve then maybe
Jul 22 10:52:23 <DaKa2> on some other host, update the db and gzip every 10 minutes, on the native wget that, unpack and run monotone
Jul 22 10:52:35 <DaKa2> might work, or not
Jul 22 10:53:12 <[g2]> the packages are getting to a stable point
Jul 22 10:53:24 <[g2]> it's not like we are change the be stuff that often
Jul 22 10:53:50 <[g2]> and at a 4-5 hour turn time for the whole she'bang
Jul 22 10:54:00 <[g2]> I don't know how useful it is
Jul 22 10:54:05 <[g2]> btw it just upgraded to 21
Jul 22 10:55:11 <[g2]> I think on the slug using a checked out known db is the most likely thing for non-hardcore like us
Jul 22 10:55:41 <[g2]> it makes me laught those guys trying to run qemu for the i386 on the slug
Jul 22 10:55:45 <[g2]> laugn
Jul 22 10:55:49 <[g2]> laugh
Jul 22 10:56:58 <DaKa2> hehe, well, they will get a ~20-30Mhz i386
Jul 22 10:57:10 <Tiersten> That's a very generous estimate
Jul 22 10:57:14 <DaKa2> yes..
Jul 22 10:57:57 <[g2]> a much better idea in my mind were the guys gettin a 200Mhz ARM on the 2.8/3G P4
Jul 22 10:58:14 <[g2]> 233 iirc
Jul 22 10:58:24 <DaKa2> hehe, why not just buy a slug and get 266? :-)
Jul 22 10:58:33 <[g2]> for debugging
Jul 22 10:58:49 <[g2]> fully synchronous
Jul 22 10:59:05 <DaKa2> oh, that might be good...
Jul 22 10:59:10 <[g2]> and full machine state/ core dump all in one :)
Jul 22 10:59:44 <[g2]> for driver debugging oh yeah....
Jul 22 10:59:48 <[g2]> and kernel testing
Jul 22 10:59:51 <Tiersten> What is the point of qemu on the slug actually?  I can't think of anything useful that you'd run on it
Jul 22 11:00:00 <Tiersten> it's neat but....
Jul 22 11:00:07 <[g2]> Tiersten, yes neat
Jul 22 11:00:29 <Tiersten> You wouldn't get alignment problems I guess :)
Jul 22 11:01:43 <[g2]> depends on how good the emulation is
Jul 22 11:01:51 <[g2]> I think you would get those
Jul 22 11:02:25 <Tiersten> It should work with no alignment problems since if it did then qemu would fail very early on
Jul 22 11:03:51 <[g2]> I don't know what the status of the arm system emulation is. I know they've been working on it
Jul 22 11:04:08 <[g2]> I'd imagine it'd trap out just like in the real hw
Jul 22 11:04:18 <Tiersten> yeah
Jul 22 11:04:52 <Tiersten> Okay.  No endian issues since it would appear to be a x86 and most code is written assuming that :)
Jul 22 11:04:55 <[g2]> but they'd be a *lot* easier to find :)
Jul 22 11:05:13 <Tiersten> woohoo.  1 reason! :)
Jul 22 11:05:30 <[g2]> but that's for ARM on the x86 not the other way around
Jul 22 11:28:26 <[g2]> hanjo, are you serving up nfs3+tcp from the slugs ?
Jul 22 11:28:46 <[g2]> last I heard nfsv4 was still green
Jul 22 11:29:08 <[g2]> Ill check the logs later
Jul 22 11:29:09 <[g2]> cheers
Jul 22 11:45:35 <hannesr> NAiL , I just sent you a patch to cross-compile screen
Jul 22 15:40:37 <jbowler> DaKa2: I didn't do anything to vlan in the end, it builds ok from the non-safe make target (the default), just with 'safe' I set HOME=/dev/null and cc doesn't like -I/dev/null/linux/include...
Jul 22 15:51:04 <rwhitby-asleep> [g2]: perl should be removed from openslug-packages, but only cause it doesn't work and has been replaced by the native build.  Nothing else which builds and runs should *ever* be removed from openslug-packages.  If you need a stable subset, then create a new .bb - openslug-packages.bb is defined to be *all* packages which we know at least build (and preferably run) on openslug.
Jul 22 19:29:29 <DaKa2> rwhitby-away: oh, forgot to say, u-a is ready for the next inspection and round of review, all needed packages for openslug atleast are fixed
Jul 22 19:31:33 <DaKa2> jbowler: well, I ended up cleaning up the vlan bb a bit anyway, it had some more problems too. It was my one of my first bb packages made :-)
Jul 22 19:32:31 <rwhitby-away> DaKa2: perhaps we can do that at the same 24hr time as we last did (tonight my time)
Jul 22 19:33:36 <DaKa2> rwhitby-away: that would work for me
Jul 22 19:35:42 <rwhitby-away> ok - feel free to start it without me if I'm not around.  Just make sure some of the main #oe guys are there
Jul 22 19:39:18 <DaKa2> rwhitby-away: ok, but I'll probably wait for you, somehow it feels better having you around :-)
Jul 22 19:39:34 <rwhitby-away> safety in numbers :-)
Jul 22 19:40:00 <DaKa2> hehe, yeah, bring in the nslu2 army :)
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