**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 15 02:59:58 2006 Jan 15 03:10:37 hey sluggers. Jan 15 03:11:05 has anyone had a look at the sc101 ( another netgear NAS ) ? Jan 15 03:17:08 hmm Jan 15 03:17:15 uses a TI mips chip Jan 15 03:21:37 there is linux for mips thought isn't there? Jan 15 03:23:02 NAiL: i want to run bacula and prefer the whole toaster thing rather than two devices. Jan 15 03:30:51 yeah, looks neater Jan 15 03:31:15 but it doesn't look like it has a lot of either flash nor ram Jan 15 03:35:04 Well, if it's hackable, it looks good ;) Jan 15 03:35:08 very little RAM in that one. Jan 15 03:35:19 how much? Jan 15 03:36:38 Can't find a page with flash/ram specs. And I've got no idea whether it'll actually run linux ;) Jan 15 03:39:24 I think we decompiled the kernel, and from the cmdline found it only had 16MB of RAM or something. Jan 15 03:39:29 (that's from memory) Jan 15 03:39:58 rwhitby: boom tish :) Jan 15 03:40:13 heh Jan 15 03:41:33 rwhitby: two drive bays means I can have 400 Gb of network storage, JOY! Jan 15 03:42:05 annoying that you have to have windows to use it in the original version Jan 15 03:42:38 NAiL: yah, no nfs/webdav , which seems really stoopid to me. Jan 15 03:43:12 it doesn't exactly have a lot of ram, so it kinda makes sense :P Jan 15 03:44:01 should be fine to run a webserver and a backup server. Jan 15 03:45:05 That's what I'm hopĂing I can use my ds101 for later Jan 15 03:46:11 ds101, iomega thingo , same kind of thing , yeah ? Jan 15 03:46:25 synology, and it's kinda the same as the slug Jan 15 03:46:34 it's a box with room for one disk Jan 15 03:46:38 ds101 and nas100d are close enough to the same thing. Jan 15 03:46:40 twice the ram&flash of a slug Jan 15 03:46:56 ah, yeah, the lude Jan 15 03:47:32 I guess I should be testing the lude kernel on the ds101 again Jan 15 03:48:35 ludeos-image builds Jan 15 03:50:16 hey man , got any ludes Jan 15 03:58:09 argh Jan 15 03:58:27 the zd1211 problem I'm having is apparently not endian related Jan 15 04:01:12 hi; I sent #10838 to nslu2-linux about an idea for adding SDRAM on nslu2 i discussed with ka6sox (openjtag, 01.14, 07Z); anybody knows for sure it will not work? Jan 15 04:15:57 koen|sleep, philips, dyoung and whoever else is interested Jan 15 04:16:21 just wanted to let you know that I tried to use my usb audio card on debianslug yesterday Jan 15 04:16:38 didn't work either, so apparently this is not an endianness problem Jan 15 04:17:03 it could still be related to timing or initialisation (as the device works under FC4) Jan 15 04:17:29 will probably continue to work on this after next week (out of town for a week) Jan 15 04:17:59 if any of you finds out something please drop me an email or leave a msg in the group (i'll check waht eFfeM-log has picked up when I'm back) Jan 15 07:35:18 I've just installed DebianSlug and while it *is* up and running it is not quite right. It boots and I can ssh in but (1) /.recovery is not deleted (despite the rm -f /.recovery line inserted as suggested) and maybe diagnostically (2) when I ssh into the NSLU2 it takes about 30s to bring up the login: prompt and dns does not seem to resolve (i.e. apt-get fails on lookup of ftp.debian.org) --... Jan 15 07:35:19 ...any thoughts? Jan 15 07:38:13 emm_is, didn't time it, but I had the idea that it took less than 30 s for me to boot Jan 15 07:38:48 i also had the .recovery issue (actually did not try to resolve it). Jan 15 07:39:13 apt-get worked fine with me; can you go to other websites, or is e.g. your gateway not defined Jan 15 07:41:08 30s is not time to boot but time from putty initate ssh connection to the 'login' prompt apprearing in the putty screen - it should be near instant Jan 15 07:42:19 if you didn't resolve the .recovery issue what did you do, I manually delete it after each boot (obviusly I could delete it in an init.d file) Jan 15 07:43:28 emm_is, for me the ssh connection is indeed near instant Jan 15 07:43:55 i installed debian yesterday and until now I have deleted it manually every time Jan 15 07:45:28 will probably move back to openslug for now (i could not get dbus installed on debian). might try again in a few weeks when I have more time Jan 15 07:46:21 hmm, I'll give it to the end of the day! Jan 15 07:47:09 can you access other web sites (by name or by ip) Jan 15 07:47:49 e.g. does ping 4.79.142.202 work for you (and if it does, does ping www.grc.com work for you)? Jan 15 08:19:05 rwhitby, Tiersten, I was trying to do a little bit of cleanup duty on the wiki. started off by trying to delete the unused OpenSlug/InPreparation page. Jan 15 08:19:31 normally in pmwiki one can delete a page by replacing the text of the page by the single word "delete' Jan 15 08:19:59 I've used this in the past to delete another obsolete page without problems. However today it won't work any more for me. Jan 15 08:20:14 Is this a known issue? Can this be fixed? Can someone else delete this page ? Jan 15 09:24:44 eFfeM: I'm also out of town for a week :) Jan 15 09:24:59 * koen is abusing an open accesspouint in his hotel Jan 15 09:40:39 koen, that's where these APs are for :-) Jan 15 09:40:51 done that also on some occasions Jan 15 09:41:08 don't think my hotel next week will have free internet Jan 15 09:41:33 if you ever stay in 'het wapen van Elst'.... :) Jan 15 09:43:02 lol, some people will stay everywhere .... Jan 15 09:43:17 Grand Ashok, Bangalore for me next week Jan 15 09:43:36 Hi! can i use ipk in debianslug? Jan 15 09:45:22 EvilDevil, yes if you want to install own created packages (like kernel modules), there is no debianslug feed afaik (and probably this is not the right channel to ask this) Jan 15 09:46:36 i need to add a kernel-module (pl2303 usb-to-serial) to my debianslug. it's built by make debianslug-image, but it ends up as a .ipk... Jan 15 09:47:15 yeah, I know, use ipkg install xx.ipk to install it Jan 15 09:47:22 dpkg can handle ipk files Jan 15 09:47:27 actually I had to copy ipkg from /initrd and friends Jan 15 09:47:28 same format Jan 15 09:47:35 ah, didn't know that, thanks koen Jan 15 09:47:52 (someone mentioned dpkg before but I assumed it was different) Jan 15 09:48:10 koen thanks :-) that wouldn't have come into my mind at all Jan 15 09:48:38 it used to be different ~2 years ago or so Jan 15 09:49:14 ok. i'll try it Jan 15 09:49:16 brb Jan 15 09:58:00 added the dpkg info from koen to the wiki Jan 15 09:58:27 koen, do you have to stay in Elst for a week .... Jan 15 09:59:57 eFfeM: till thursday Jan 15 10:00:14 the police needs new bulletproff vest and we are going to measure all police officers Jan 15 10:00:28 se we sleep in elst and travel to arnhem, nijmegen, tiel, etc Jan 15 10:00:35 s/se/so/ Jan 15 10:00:36 koen meant: so we sleep in elst and travel to arnhem, nijmegen, tiel, etc Jan 15 10:03:09 whatta job Jan 15 10:04:36 koen, you're not into darts? are we the only 2 dutch people not watching tv now ? Jan 15 10:06:21 hm, someone here thinks either koen is rushing off to see the darts game or his usage of the open AP has been discovered .... Jan 15 10:06:39 koen, just wrote: Jan 15 10:06:40 hm, someone here thinks either koen is rushing off to see the darts game or his usage of the open AP has been discovered .... Jan 15 10:07:05 you're on a wanadoo line Jan 15 10:07:51 the line is a bit flaky Jan 15 10:08:33 this happens if you are too far away or the router is busy Jan 15 10:09:02 seen this with wrt54g, apparently sometimes it is too busy to send beacons Jan 15 10:11:27 food time Jan 15 10:11:35 enjoy Jan 15 10:11:38 thanks Jan 15 10:11:45 * koen|food moves to the restaurant Jan 15 10:11:51 have fun in india Jan 15 10:11:56 tnx Jan 15 12:18:24 does anyone know the state of DebianSlug -- I am wondering whether the current sources in monotone produce a working build? Jan 15 12:30:27 emm_is, the sources of a day or two ago did Jan 15 12:32:38 the sources two days ago built and installed for me but I had the slow/problematic network as described, so I rebuilt from today's but that set doesn't even seem to boot. Jan 15 13:02:12 anyone ever used UHCI ? Jan 15 13:06:38 koen, philips, dyoung and all others interested in audio playback Jan 15 13:06:55 I've done some experimenting and comparing things between slug and FC4 Jan 15 13:07:04 my hw works fine on FC4 and not on slug Jan 15 13:07:18 I've traced the usb commands and the same commands are sent Jan 15 13:07:28 LE or BE also does not seem to cause a problem Jan 15 13:07:44 and as usb commands are synchronous that should not be a problem either. Jan 15 13:07:55 Found a difference though: Jan 15 13:08:22 If I connect the device to FC4 it uses an UHCI device driver, whereas the slug will use OHCI Jan 15 13:09:00 This is the only difference I could find. Jan 15 13:09:20 I've also tried an el cheapo (conceptronic) usb hub Jan 15 13:09:35 in that case FC4 still works and slug not Jan 15 13:09:56 driver used of course is EHCI as this is a 2.0 hub Jan 15 13:10:23 No idea what we can do with this. Jan 15 13:10:57 I won't have time to work on this in the upcoming week, so I decided to report status here. Jan 15 13:11:07 Maybe it will help one of you Jan 15 13:11:22 (thinking of it, philips have you had a chance to discuss this with Greg? ) Jan 15 13:14:17 Not yet, I wanted to gather some findings before sending it off, and school caught up with me this week. Jan 15 13:14:33 ah, ok, perhaps the above might help Jan 15 13:14:48 If you want to work on a wiki page with what you have found out, and what you did to find it out that would be great. Jan 15 13:15:55 hm. don't know if this is really suitable for a wiki page as it is more search work. could mail to the dev mailing list though Jan 15 13:25:13 eFfeM: ohci and uhci are a bit like ide and scsi Jan 15 13:25:29 a smart, expensive chip and a cheap, dump chip Jan 15 13:25:43 that could account for the difference Jan 15 13:25:55 and I've had my fair share of ehci breakage Jan 15 13:27:10 hrm Jan 15 13:27:22 * koen hates to get mail from the 3warfe daemon Jan 15 13:31:12 koen, did do a quick check on wikipedia Jan 15 13:31:22 that learned this as well Jan 15 13:32:15 might try a different hub, but at the end I might have to go for another sound card (I'm becoming pessimistic about this) Jan 15 13:32:30 slight chance there is something in the ohci driver, but I doubt this Jan 15 13:33:06 almost at the end of my rope here.... Jan 15 13:52:01 emm_is: ping? Jan 15 13:52:11 hello Jan 15 13:52:35 where does it appear to stop booting? (the new build) Jan 15 13:53:50 I take it back, it does boot but does not rm the /.recovery file despite me sliping in a few extras in the surrounding if cases Jan 15 13:53:56 aah Jan 15 13:54:04 I have the same problem Jan 15 13:54:10 openslug? Jan 15 13:54:14 debianslug? Jan 15 13:54:42 I also don't seem to be able to access my nameservers (DebianSlug -- openslug worked just fine) Jan 15 13:55:05 That is, Openslug 2.7 and openslug in the rootfs of DebianSlug Jan 15 13:56:10 So no apt-get, ssh doesn't work even though I give it an IP but I can ssh in! Jan 15 13:57:10 I can ping by laptop on the same subnet using its IP address Jan 15 14:01:23 eFfeM: Could you post a step by step of what you did somewhere and what happened, I want to give it an ol' college try Jan 15 14:02:33 eFfeM: I also have an old Transmeta box here that has OHCI, I am going to test the sound card on that box Jan 15 14:02:43 eFfeM: It may just be an OHCI problem, you never know. Jan 15 14:04:56 Wow. http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/13/fujitsu_expands_harddrive_business/ Jan 15 14:14:08 Gah, getting tired of doing that. Sorry. Jan 15 14:15:17 philips: Just curious, I stumbled across something that got me searching. What's maker of the USB subsystem? Can't readily find it. Jan 15 14:16:39 tkimball: like who defined the standard? Jan 15 14:17:12 No, who's chip is in the slug? Jan 15 14:18:15 wiki/Info/Hardware Jan 15 14:18:39 000:00:01.2 USB Controller: NEC Corporation USB 2.0 (rev 04) Jan 15 14:18:47 or "lspci" :) Jan 15 14:20:14 oops - http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/LinksToHardwareComponentDocumentation Jan 15 14:21:36 philips, was away for a while (phonecall) Jan 15 14:21:50 will try to do a quick wrapup Jan 15 14:22:11 Yes, was about to mention that. Thx. Unfortunately this means I stumbled into a dead end. Jan 15 14:22:26 i'll post in nslu2-developers Jan 15 14:22:28 Though I did find an interesting reference page on OHCI and UHCI. Jan 15 14:23:46 Was hoping to give cross-compile another shot too, but I've been having trouble with a RAID at work all weekend. Jan 15 14:36:34 philips (and everyone else interested). Here is the msg: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-developers/message/504 Jan 15 14:37:38 need to back off now. back in a week but feel free to msg eFfeM-log or leave a msg in the channel. As long as eFfeM-log (aka my slug) is up I'll eventually see it) **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 15 19:05:03 2006 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 16 00:45:19 2006 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jan 16 02:59:58 2006