**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 30 02:59:57 2006
Jan 30 05:13:44 <kami22>  hi can anyone help me i make yesterday a ipkg update and than the server cant send me the files udev, slugos-init, busybox. and than i cant relogin with SSHd? because shell was missing.
Jan 30 05:14:09 <kami22>  and now i cant start back from the HDD?
Jan 30 08:39:07 <kami22> hi anyone here?
Jan 30 08:42:44 <eFfeM> hi
Jan 30 08:43:10 <kami22> ohh
Jan 30 08:43:11 <kami22> hi
Jan 30 08:43:12 <kami22> :)
Jan 30 08:43:25 <kami22> created yesterday a big problem :)
Jan 30 08:43:43 <kami22> i made a ipkg upgrade and some package where missing on the servers..
Jan 30 08:44:06 <eFfeM> read about it; reboot without harddisk, connect hd, mount hd somewhere, do a chroot, install missing packages ...
Jan 30 08:44:18 <eFfeM> (don't have much time right now)
Jan 30 08:44:36 <kami22> and now i had to reflash the slug but cant start now from the hdd
Jan 30 08:45:13 <eFfeM> nope, you'll need to do what I just wrote or re-unsling
Jan 30 08:45:14 <kami22> the problem was that on the slug the chroot command was missing to
Jan 30 08:45:20 <eFfeM> eh that is turnup
Jan 30 08:45:35 <kami22> but than i lose all my data?
Jan 30 08:46:03 <eFfeM> chroot is on the flash fs in /usr/sbin
Jan 30 08:46:15 <eFfeM> only turnup -i looses data
Jan 30 08:46:21 <eFfeM> you can also set things away
Jan 30 08:46:56 <kami22> so you mean i can turnup the hdd without losing data?
Jan 30 08:48:23 <eFfeM> i think so
Jan 30 08:48:50 <kami22> but when i do this all data will be lost : turnup disk -i <DEVICE> -t ext3
Jan 30 08:50:04 <eFfeM> don't do -i, -i will indeed initialise
Jan 30 08:50:20 <eFfeM> but why not chroot and install the missing packages
Jan 30 08:50:43 <eFfeM> or just mount the disk and copy the missing files from the flash fs to the hd
Jan 30 08:51:07 <eFfeM> (hey you could even copy the whole usr dir from flash to hd)
Jan 30 08:51:20 <eFfeM> plenty of ways to resolve this....
Jan 30 08:51:42 <kami22> i did this but before i had to flash the openslug image and now the hdd is complete with all package but i cant start it?
Jan 30 08:53:01 <eFfeM> if you cannot start from the hd check if the root of the hd contains a file .recovery
Jan 30 08:53:04 <eFfeM> if it is there remove it
Jan 30 08:53:27 <kami22> yes i did this before there is no .recovery file
Jan 30 08:53:29 <kami22> :(
Jan 30 08:54:30 <eFfeM> if you reflashed you should also do the turnup (without -i)
Jan 30 08:54:47 <eFfeM> that writes a file to the flash which tells where the rootfs is
Jan 30 08:55:16 <kami22> okay i will try thanks :)
Jan 30 08:55:58 <eFfeM> good luck
Jan 30 08:56:03 * eFfeM is back to work ...
Jan 30 08:57:01 <kami22> cu
Jan 30 10:04:51 <kitno455> i just built the kernel again, and i find that it makes lots of ipk's for all the modules. i dont recall it doing that before. am i blind?
Jan 30 10:08:45 <eFfeM> kitno455, normally it does
Jan 30 10:09:14 <eFfeM> for every module there is a different .ipk so if you have many m's in your defconfig you'll get a lot of modules
Jan 30 10:09:27 <eFfeM> (and yes the # of modules in openslug has grown over time...
Jan 30 10:11:02 <kitno455> weird, i guess i never noticed it before.
Jan 30 10:11:22 <kitno455> just getting the new beep code now
Jan 30 10:11:31 <kitno455> seems to require ncurses?
Jan 30 10:22:15 <andrea_> hi to all guys
Jan 30 10:22:37 <andrea_> can someone help me with a openlug network problem ?
Jan 30 10:23:59 <kitno455> andrea_, we can try
Jan 30 10:24:00 <eFfeM> andrea_, policy is just to drop your q, if someone has time & knowledge to help you you'll get an answer
Jan 30 10:24:03 <eFfeM> can take some time
Jan 30 10:24:30 <eFfeM> actually I'm away for 15 mins (watch news on tv)
Jan 30 10:25:10 <andrea_> sure
Jan 30 10:25:13 <andrea_> i post it
Jan 30 10:25:44 <andrea_> i am using the 'pand' utility to to give net access to my slug via bluetooth
Jan 30 10:25:58 <andrea_> this utility creates a virtual interface called bnep0
Jan 30 10:26:16 <andrea_> my problem is that, after the utility has done is job
Jan 30 10:26:20 <andrea_> i ve still to call
Jan 30 10:26:25 <andrea_> ifup bnepo
Jan 30 10:26:26 <andrea_> and
Jan 30 10:26:36 <andrea_> ifconfig bnep0 10.0.0.1 netmask ....
Jan 30 10:27:22 <andrea_> i ask myself if it's possible to auto-configure my virtual interface when it's created..
Jan 30 11:02:59 <VoodooZ_Work> andrea_, Yes it is. I had the same question.
Jan 30 11:04:12 <VoodooZ_Work> I added the bnep0 interface to my my /etc/network/interfaces as in: iface bnep0 inet static
Jan 30 11:04:12 <VoodooZ_Work>         address 192.168.1.77
Jan 30 11:04:12 <VoodooZ_Work>         netmask 255.255.255.0
Jan 30 11:04:12 <VoodooZ_Work>         gateway 192.168.1.1
Jan 30 11:06:02 <VoodooZ_Work> Then, create a folder under /etc/bluetooth called pan.
Jan 30 11:06:43 <VoodooZ_Work> Then create a script in there (don't forget to make it executable after you are done)
Jan 30 11:07:00 <VoodooZ_Work> With this in it:#!/bin/sh
Jan 30 11:07:00 <VoodooZ_Work> ifup bnep0
Jan 30 11:07:50 <VoodooZ_Work> then the pand system will automatically call the script once a pand connection is successful.
Jan 30 11:34:32 <VoodooZ_Work> andrea_, I've added the above steps to automate bnep initialization here: ttp://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/NetworkSlugOverBluetooth
Jan 30 12:15:05 <Sinclair73de_> test
Jan 30 12:16:04 <stein> test ok
Jan 30 12:16:28 <Sinclair73de_> thanks :-)
Jan 30 12:16:50 <stein> no sweat ;-)
Jan 30 12:38:46 <eFfeM> hm, tried ipkg update and got the following errors:
Jan 30 12:38:47 <eFfeM> ipkg_download: ERROR: Command failed with return value 1: `wget --passive-ftp  -q -P /tmp/ipkg-ysKypa http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openslug/cross/unstable/Packages.gz'
Jan 30 12:38:47 <eFfeM> ipkg_download: ERROR: Command failed with return value 1: `wget --passive-ftp  -q -P /tmp/ipkg-ysKypa http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openslug/native/unstable/Packages.gz'
Jan 30 12:38:55 <eFfeM> ping to ipkg.nslu2-linux.org works
Jan 30 12:39:05 <eFfeM> and I can load the file in a browser on my pc
Jan 30 12:39:12 <eFfeM> anyone an idea what could be wrong here ?
Jan 30 12:46:29 <kitno455> eFfeM, can you run the wget manually
Jan 30 12:46:39 <kitno455> maybe without the --passive-ftp
Jan 30 12:46:47 <kitno455> or with some verbose options?
Jan 30 12:49:20 <EvilDevil[A]> man wget and check what return value 1 means ;)
Jan 30 12:53:32 <eFfeM> kitno455, i'm trying that right now
Jan 30 12:54:09 <eFfeM> EvilDevil, man ? man ?? man ??? real hackers don't need man pages, they read the source :-)
Jan 30 12:59:10 <eFfeM> interesting, removed the -q; this gives:
Jan 30 12:59:11 <eFfeM> Connecting to ipkg.nslu2-linux.org[66.159.209.6]:80... failed: Address family not supported by protocol.
Jan 30 12:59:28 <senneth> mmm
Jan 30 13:03:43 <EvilDevil> does anybody wants the directory structure at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Development/MasterMakefile  ? it seems to be *somewhat* outdated... should we remove it or update it?
Jan 30 13:05:43 <NAiL> wouldn't hurt to update
Jan 30 13:07:08 <EvilDevil> ok... i'll try to figure out what is what :)
Jan 30 13:07:20 <eFfeM> hmm. wget on the slug is different than wget on fc4. no -4 option on the slug
Jan 30 13:08:28 <eFfeM> EvilDevil, what is wrong with the dir structure, don't see a problem, can you give an example
Jan 30 13:08:37 <eFfeM> hi koen
Jan 30 13:08:47 <koen> hey eFfeM 
Jan 30 13:09:09 <eFfeM> koen, bad news, snowbike's imic is not working any more ...
Jan 30 13:09:24 <eFfeM> apparently all those things work once or twice then fail
Jan 30 13:09:35 <koen> D'oh
Jan 30 13:11:15 <EvilDevil> eFfeM the directory "openslug" does not exist anymore e.g.
Jan 30 13:11:26 <NAiL> doesn't it?
Jan 30 13:11:41 <eFfeM> wrt my wget problem: the same cmd works under FC4, I'm kinda fearing that the slug's wget is broken (maybe because ipv6 is added)
Jan 30 13:11:42 <NAiL> if you do "make openslug-image", I do believe it is created
Jan 30 13:12:38 <EvilDevil> oops... true :)
Jan 30 13:13:05 <eFfeM> indeed. It is on my sys. also that page is last modified by rwhitby on jan 22; I'm quite sure that if there was an issue Rod would have fixed it
Jan 30 13:17:37 <EvilDevil> ok... wrong example... the "common" directory isn't listed on the wiki
Jan 30 13:18:31 <EvilDevil> same for "debianslug" and so on
Jan 30 13:22:37 <NAiL> that is correct
Jan 30 13:48:29 <rwhitby> EvilDevil: feel free to add the missing directories.
Jan 30 13:50:01 <EvilDevil> rwhitby i'll try to... just need to figure out what directory is used for what...
Jan 30 13:51:36 <eFfeM> rwhitby, are you aware about issues with wget (maybe caused by ipv6?)
Jan 30 13:52:16 <eFfeM> koen, there are 3 of you :-)
Jan 30 13:52:24 <koen> yes
Jan 30 13:52:27 <koen> stupid timeouts
Jan 30 13:53:00 * ByronT shoots the timeouts
Jan 30 13:53:52 * koen can't wait to join jbowler-zzz in his slugos-btu efforts
Jan 30 13:59:56 * kitno455 has just built slugos-btu
Jan 30 14:01:15 <EvilDevil> btu - built to use?
Jan 30 14:02:40 <tkimball> I'm wondering too EvilDevil, since I've been unable to build the whole thing in the defined set.  Or at least the package I'd like to (re)compile.
Jan 30 14:02:54 <kitno455> bigendian/thumb/uclibc
Jan 30 14:04:42 <kitno455> is anyone dialing out from their slug via a modem?
Jan 30 14:05:03 <kitno455> i would like to know what software you are using. i ususally use wvdial
Jan 30 14:05:16 <kitno455> but there is no ipk for it in openslug
Jan 30 14:24:53 <EvilDevil> kitno455 isn't thumb 16 bit? or am i wrong with this?
Jan 30 14:25:28 <EvilDevil> last thing i read about this was in a atmel wlan data-sheet
Jan 30 14:28:16 <kitno455> EvilDevil, it still uses 32 bit data, but uses a reduced size instruction set
Jan 30 14:28:39 <kitno455> i guess the only thing this saves is makes the code segment a little smaller
Jan 30 14:29:41 <EvilDevil> maybe it's a little faster too
Jan 30 14:40:00 <kitno455> supposedly, a regular arm system can execute thumb instructions too, but i dont know if there is a penalty in speed
Jan 30 14:40:35 <eFfeM-log> hm, found my ipkg problem. wget has the ENABLE_V6 flag compiled in.
Jan 30 14:40:44 <eFfeM-log> How did any of you get this working ??
Jan 30 14:41:51 <eFfeM-log> (btw the latest version of wget (1.10.2) does support overruling V6, but we are still at 1.9.1 (and a quick try was not sufficient to get 1.10.2 running)
Jan 30 14:42:50 <EvilDevil> is the ixp4xx a cisc or risc? 
Jan 30 14:43:00 <kitno455> risc
Jan 30 14:43:22 <kitno455> Acorn Risc Machine. ARM
Jan 30 14:43:46 <EvilDevil> okay :)
Jan 30 14:43:51 <kitno455> though the distinction is blurred as of late
Jan 30 14:44:03 <kitno455> what with PPC's altivec, etc
Jan 30 14:44:38 <kitno455> i always thought 'acorn risk' would be a cool name for a band
Jan 30 14:45:07 <EvilDevil> sounds better than acorn cisc ;-)
Jan 30 14:46:16 <kitno455> yeah, and ACM was already taken
Jan 30 14:48:23 <EvilDevil> ;-) well... i have to go... got a meeting tomorrow morning 
Jan 30 14:48:25 <EvilDevil> bye
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