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Feb 08 11:08:49 <joschkopf> now i manually changed it in tmp/work, just to see if it works, and voila, i now have a 128MB-turbo-debianslug running :)
Feb 08 11:09:29 <NAiL> niiiiiice :)
Feb 08 11:09:39 <joschkopf> so i still have to search for the correct place for the command line to make it permanent
Feb 08 11:12:14 <joschkopf> i also had some problems with apt-get and gpgv, but somehow, after changing the mirror to DE, they all went away...
Feb 08 12:21:00 <[g2]> joschkopf are you running LE ?
Feb 08 12:21:18 <joschkopf> right, le :)
Feb 08 12:22:57 <[g2]> did you find the cmdline ?
Feb 08 12:23:19 <joschkopf> i changed it direclty in .confing in the working directory
Feb 08 12:23:25 <joschkopf> i did not yet find the correct place...
Feb 08 12:23:39 <joschkopf> but i just wanted to see if this is actually the problem
Feb 08 12:24:16 <[g2]> what actual problem are you seeing ?
Feb 08 12:24:19 <joschkopf> i have to say that i'm no python guru, so its difficult to understand the bb-things :)
Feb 08 12:24:43 <joschkopf> i didn't get the 128MB ram on my fatslug, only 32 with slugos-le
Feb 08 12:24:53 <[g2]> yeah my python-foo is weak too, but at least the .bb's are pretty readable
Feb 08 12:25:05 <joschkopf> the reason for this is, that slugos overwrites the command line, which it gets from apex
Feb 08 12:25:36 <joschkopf> so i have to add "mem=128MB@0x000000" to the default kernel configuration
Feb 08 12:25:56 <joschkopf> i changed it in den defconfig, but this doesn't help
Feb 08 12:26:00 <dyoung-away> ... or eliminate the mem= bit ?
Feb 08 12:26:10 <joschkopf> hm, where?
Feb 08 12:26:36 <joschkopf> i know how to configure the kernel on a normal system, but i don't (yet) understand how it is done in OE
Feb 08 12:29:26 <[g2]> joschkopf yeah there's an overwrite of the kernel commad line for LE now
Feb 08 12:29:54 <[g2]> I'll have to do a fresh pull to find where that stuff is
Feb 08 12:30:09 <[g2]> joschkopf can you do me a favor 
Feb 08 12:30:15 <joschkopf> sure?
Feb 08 12:30:23 <[g2]> apt-get install bonnie++
Feb 08 12:30:31 <[g2]> and run bonnie on the hd
Feb 08 12:30:34 <joschkopf> bonnie++ ?
Feb 08 12:30:37 <joschkopf> :)
Feb 08 12:30:45 <[g2]> it's a disk performance test
Feb 08 12:30:50 <joschkopf> ah, ok...
Feb 08 12:31:08 <[g2]> I'm seeing errors on may 128M and 256M lofts
Feb 08 12:31:26 <joschkopf> when running this test?
Feb 08 12:31:27 <dyoung-away> openembedded/packages/linux/nslu2-kernel.inc ?
Feb 08 12:31:31 <[g2]> I think it's related to the pci_indirect
Feb 08 12:31:53 <[g2]> when I configure for 64MB on the same hw it works fine
Feb 08 12:32:15 <[g2]> and all 3 of my unit exhibit the same issue, but only under lots of load
Feb 08 12:32:36 <joschkopf> how to run bonnie?
Feb 08 12:32:59 <[g2]> bonnie++ :)
Feb 08 12:33:14 <[g2]> man bonnie++ for a little description
Feb 08 12:33:16 <joschkopf> ah ok... i have to run with a different user 
Feb 08 12:33:28 <[g2]> yeah as a normal user
Feb 08 12:33:30 <joschkopf> i hope it doesn't hurt anything... :-O
Feb 08 12:33:40 <joschkopf> now its writing something
Feb 08 12:34:06 <[g2]> it's a nice teset
Feb 08 12:34:07 <[g2]> test
Feb 08 12:34:25 <[g2]> dyoung-away it's moved to the MAC list stuff iirc
Feb 08 12:34:57 <joschkopf> ok, ii'll be away for a minute, i'll tell you how the test ran in a minute
Feb 08 12:35:01 <[g2]> dyoung-away I commented it out on my version of the Loft's CVS kernel stuff
Feb 08 12:35:22 <[g2]> joschkopf are you aware of the kernel CVS repo ?
Feb 08 12:35:35 <joschkopf> nope?
Feb 08 12:35:55 <[g2]> it's the kernel trunk on the nslu project at sf.net
Feb 08 12:36:11 <joschkopf> and the kernel development takes place there?
Feb 08 12:36:16 <[g2]> you can just point your OE build tool chain and build just the kernel and modules
Feb 08 12:36:32 <[g2]> it's the staging area for pushing stuff upstream
Feb 08 12:36:39 <joschkopf> ah, ok
Feb 08 12:36:57 <joschkopf> so how does this help my problem?
Feb 08 12:37:07 <dyoung-away> the CMDLINE is in the file I mentioned.
Feb 08 12:37:21 <[g2]> it would be really long lived, but for you buliding kernels it'll make things a lot easier
Feb 08 12:37:37 <[g2]> dyoung-away yes, but I think it's overwritten at runtime
Feb 08 12:38:27 <dyoung-away> on a nslu2?
Feb 08 12:38:37 <dyoung-away> I'm pretty sure thats what gets passed.
Feb 08 12:38:58 <dyoung-away> remember it works under openslug. but not debianslug for joschkopf 
Feb 08 12:40:00 <[g2]> dyoung-away I think jbowler switched the patching of the command line 
Feb 08 12:40:10 <[g2]> I know it was there for the Loft
Feb 08 12:40:15 <dyoung-away> ok
Feb 08 12:40:20 <[g2]> I had to undo those changes
Feb 08 12:40:23 <dyoung-away> I only got my builder working yesterday
Feb 08 12:40:34 <dyoung-away> it had been offline since november.
Feb 08 12:40:53 <[g2]> 94-loft-setup.patch
Feb 08 12:41:25 <[g2]> dyoung-away you are absolutely correct that it was there for nearly 1.5 years :)
Feb 08 12:41:56 <dyoung-away> Hmm
Feb 08 12:42:16 <dyoung-away> teh 91-foo series of patch doesnt do anything to with the mem= bit though.
Feb 08 12:42:50 <dyoung-away> heh in fact:
Feb 08 12:42:55 <dyoung-away> +       /* The NSLU2 has one bank of 32MByte memory.
Feb 08 12:42:56 <dyoung-away> +        * NOTE: to make a 'fatslug' work append the appropriate
Feb 08 12:42:56 <dyoung-away> +        * mem= to the CONFIG_CMDLINE - this will override the
Feb 08 12:42:56 <dyoung-away> +        * setting below.
Feb 08 12:43:43 <[g2]> right it passes in the mem ATAG
Feb 08 12:45:05 <[g2]> dyoung-away it's probably either nslu2-kernel.inc as you mentioned or ixp4xx-kernel.inc
Feb 08 12:47:58 <dyoung-away> yep, joschkopf lookit one of those. :-)
Feb 08 13:01:19 <joschkopf> SCHLAUBI:/etc/samba/drivers# bonnie++ -u 2000 
Feb 08 13:01:19 <joschkopf> Using uid:2000, gid:2000. 
Feb 08 13:01:19 <joschkopf> Writing with putc()...done 
Feb 08 13:01:19 <joschkopf> Writing intelligently...done 
Feb 08 13:01:19 <joschkopf> Rewriting...done 
Feb 08 13:01:52 <dyoung-away> oops
Feb 08 13:01:56 <[g2]> heh
Feb 08 13:02:08 <[g2]> wb
Feb 08 13:02:41 <[g2]> bouncey bouncey
Feb 08 13:03:10 <joschkopf> hm, i get disconneted when i send my results :-/
Feb 08 13:03:14 <[g2]> wb again
Feb 08 13:03:19 <joschkopf> but there were no errors with bonnie
Feb 08 13:03:22 <[g2]> yeah you're flooding
Feb 08 13:03:27 <[g2]> cool
Feb 08 13:03:36 <[g2]> this is with 128MB
Feb 08 13:03:47 <joschkopf> yeah
Feb 08 13:03:51 <[g2]> great
Feb 08 13:03:54 <[g2]> THX
Feb 08 13:03:57 <joschkopf> no prob
Feb 08 13:04:22 <joschkopf> if you find something with the command line this would be great
Feb 08 13:04:31 <joschkopf> i have to leave now, have to look for a new flat :)
Feb 08 13:04:33 <joschkopf> cu, thanks :)
Feb 08 13:04:44 <[g2]> happy hunting
Feb 08 13:07:38 <kami22> hey can anyone tell me what equipment i need to fatslug my nslu?
Feb 08 13:09:36 <[g2]> kami22 are you very good with SMT soldering ?
Feb 08 13:09:50 <[g2]> or have access to hotair guns and reflow stations ?
Feb 08 13:15:55 <kami22> no :)
Feb 08 13:16:03 <kami22> i think this is my Problem :)
Feb 08 13:16:19 <kami22> but is there any chance to fatslug my system?
Feb 08 15:33:25 <kitno455> morning VoodooZ, EvilDevil 
Feb 08 15:34:35 <VoodooZ> morning 
Feb 08 15:34:50 <VoodooZ> Glad to see i'm not alone in here. :)
Feb 08 15:39:59 <kitno455> it is very quiet some days
Feb 08 15:40:19 <kitno455> until jbowler/nail show up especially
Feb 08 15:40:32 <kitno455> how is initng
Feb 08 15:43:14 <VoodooZ> yeah. it seems most of the guys are working on the opposite shift.
Feb 08 15:43:43 <VoodooZ> I couldn't get initng to compile as it's looking for a FORTIFY_SOURCE define that doesn't exist.
Feb 08 15:43:52 <VoodooZ> Probably our GCC is too old?
Feb 08 15:44:02 <VoodooZ> I read it was a new feature of GCC.
Feb 08 15:45:17 <NAiL> (just to "show up") :-P
Feb 08 15:45:27 <VoodooZ> heheh
Feb 08 15:45:35 <VoodooZ> Always to have you around.
Feb 08 15:45:47 <VoodooZ> oops. insert "Good" after Always.
Feb 08 15:46:00 <NAiL> hehe
Feb 08 15:46:27 <NAiL> Today I'm not gonna do much though. Waiting for three feeds to build, which is gonna take a fair while
Feb 08 15:47:37 <VoodooZ> I noticed jbowler has been cranking out the checkins. Is the release closer than I though?
Feb 08 15:47:44 <kitno455> you rebuilding entire feed?
Feb 08 15:47:55 <EvilDevil> morning kitno455
Feb 08 15:48:24 <joschkopf> kami22: i did it with a normal soldering iron and a good magnifying glass
Feb 08 15:49:19 <kitno455> EvilDevil, i suppose it is evening for you?
Feb 08 15:49:39 <joschkopf> for desoldering, i first soldered a silver wire to each side of the old chip and then heated up this wire with the soldering iron, so all pins on one side got hot
Feb 08 15:49:52 <EvilDevil> kitno455 4:50 pm
Feb 08 15:50:05 <joschkopf> here too 4:50pm :)
Feb 08 15:50:24 <VoodooZ> here: 10:50am (EST canada)
Feb 08 15:50:31 <EvilDevil> gmt+1 germany
Feb 08 15:50:43 <kitno455> hmm, you guys dont use 24hr time in europe?
Feb 08 15:50:44 <VoodooZ> gmt-5
Feb 08 15:50:56 <kitno455> VoodooZ, same here, EST US
Feb 08 15:51:12 <EvilDevil> kitno455 we use 24hr time here... i just wanted to make it better readable for you :-P
Feb 08 15:51:19 <kitno455> ahah
Feb 08 15:51:25 <kitno455> i thought so
Feb 08 15:51:46 <kitno455> i can convert. i can also use metric somewhat :)
Feb 08 15:52:12 <kitno455> hmm- i dont seem to have dns resolution on my slug
Feb 08 15:52:24 <EvilDevil> metric is better anyway ;-)
Feb 08 15:53:56 <kitno455> agreed on the metric
Feb 08 15:54:06 <kitno455> at least as far as math goes
Feb 08 15:54:26 <EvilDevil> it contains more logical components ;)
Feb 08 15:54:43 <VoodooZ> kitno455, good. I thought I was the only one on this continent. :)
Feb 08 15:54:55 <kitno455> logic- whats that? i am an american. we dont use logic :)
Feb 08 15:55:06 <VoodooZ> I'm totally metric.
Feb 08 15:55:16 <kitno455> darn queer euros and their logic...
Feb 08 15:55:29 <EvilDevil> kitno455 :-O
Feb 08 15:55:33 <VoodooZ> hehehe
Feb 08 15:55:48 <kitno455> i have a complete set of metric and standard tools
Feb 08 15:55:57 <EvilDevil> there are only 10 people who understand binary... :-)
Feb 08 15:55:59 <kitno455> it can be very expensive
Feb 08 15:56:06 <VoodooZ> For engineering it makes so much more sense.
Feb 08 15:56:12 <kitno455> no- there are only 10 kinds of people in the world
Feb 08 15:56:14 <NAiL> VoodooZ: The release needs to be tested a bit, before we let it go. There has been a few issues that needed to be solved.
Feb 08 15:56:39 <VoodooZ> NAiL, cool. It's looking good. Let me know and I can be your guinea pig.
Feb 08 15:56:52 <EvilDevil> well.. enough conversation about metric
Feb 08 15:57:08 <NAiL> kitno455: I'm currently building the openslug, debianslug and slugos-ltu feeds ;)
Feb 08 15:58:01 <kitno455> yeah, you're making me jealous with all the base10 talk
Feb 08 15:58:03 <kami22> VoodooZ: hi can you tell me with which soldering iron you did this?
Feb 08 15:58:47 <VoodooZ> kami22, euh? what are you refering to exactly? The fattening  thing? I didn't do it yet.
Feb 08 15:59:28 <joschkopf> kami22: i actually used 2 different irons :)
Feb 08 15:59:53 <joschkopf> i have a big one with i think 40watts, i used this for desoldering
Feb 08 16:00:05 <joschkopf> for soldering the new chips i used a very small one with 10 watts only
Feb 08 16:00:12 <EvilDevil> i guess my 5 euro soldering iron wouldn't fit the requirements ;)
Feb 08 16:00:34 <kitno455> wow- 5 euros? i pulled mine from a trashcan
Feb 08 16:00:50 <VoodooZ> I stole mine from my old job! oops! :)
Feb 08 16:00:56 <kami22> i am using a ersa station to solder iron 
Feb 08 16:01:37 <joschkopf> i didn't buy ersa because i was too expensive :)
Feb 08 16:01:54 <joschkopf> mine is "star tec" 
Feb 08 16:02:51 <EvilDevil> VoodooZ that reminds me of http://www.bash.org/?258908 ;-)
Feb 08 16:02:57 <VoodooZ> mine is one of those entry-level ones from a good company I can't remember the name.
Feb 08 16:03:16 <VoodooZ> I need to buy some tips for it though. It doesn't have temperature control unfortunately
Feb 08 16:04:02 <VoodooZ> hehehe
Feb 08 16:04:05 <EvilDevil> temperature control? mine is binary... cold or hot ;)
Feb 08 16:04:09 <kitno455> ok- having trouble getting dns resolution to work on ucslugc built late yesterday HEAD
Feb 08 16:04:20 <VoodooZ> hehehe mine too. pretty much.
Feb 08 16:04:27 <VoodooZ> Ah! I remember now. It's a Weller.
Feb 08 16:04:41 <kitno455> old wellers are very nice
Feb 08 16:04:49 <NAiL> kitno455: did you ipkg upgrade? That kills /etc/resolv.conf ;)
Feb 08 16:04:52 <VoodooZ> yep. It's old too! :)
Feb 08 16:05:05 <kitno455> new wellers not so good, they got bought out iirc
Feb 08 16:05:17 <kitno455> NAiL, /etc/resolv.conf looks goo
Feb 08 16:05:36 <kitno455> NAiL, if i tcpdump on my dns server, i can see that it responds to slug
Feb 08 16:05:46 <NAiL> ah, so it's something else
Feb 08 16:05:58 <kitno455> yeah- slug not like response?
Feb 08 16:06:40 <EvilDevil> joschkopf are you going to offer some slug-fattenig service? :-)
Feb 08 16:06:48 <joschkopf> hehe
Feb 08 16:06:53 <EvilDevil> in this case, i would be interested
Feb 08 16:06:55 <kitno455> hmm- i can ping the host by ip, just can resolve it
Feb 08 16:07:05 <VoodooZ> Me too!
Feb 08 16:07:07 <joschkopf> hm
Feb 08 16:07:08 <joschkopf> :)
Feb 08 16:07:21 <VoodooZ> kitno455, do you have iptables running?
Feb 08 16:07:23 <joschkopf> i don't think its worth sending the slug from us to germany and back :)
Feb 08 16:07:34 <VoodooZ> yeah. good point
Feb 08 16:07:36 <joschkopf> but evildevil, where are you exactly?
Feb 08 16:08:03 <EvilDevil> joschkopf rh-pf, near homburg/saar
Feb 08 16:08:17 <joschkopf> ah, here near stuttgart
Feb 08 16:08:49 <kami22> can you tell me which size your tips has?
Feb 08 16:09:00 <kami22> i hope this is the right word :)
Feb 08 16:09:33 <EvilDevil> debianslug uses pretty much ram if you're running some standard servers (apache/smbd/proftpd) and some p2p clients :/
Feb 08 16:10:35 <joschkopf> that was the reason for the fattening :)
Feb 08 16:11:13 <joschkopf> kami22: i'm not completely sure, but i think its a 0.5mm tip
Feb 08 16:11:33 <joschkopf> the one i used for desoldering is veeeery big, so no special requirements here
Feb 08 16:11:59 <EvilDevil> pretty small :/ my soldering iron has a 10mm tip :-/
Feb 08 16:12:44 <joschkopf> 10mm?!?!? are you soldering high voltage lines? :-O
Feb 08 16:13:37 <EvilDevil> kind of ;) i needed to solder my own "kaltgerätestecker" to mulit outlet plug ;)
Feb 08 16:14:05 <kami22> i think he is the guy how is stealing voltage from the 400 kV line near my town for his experiments :)
Feb 08 16:14:47 <joschkopf> maybe he is growing some plants in his basement :-P
Feb 08 16:15:00 <VoodooZ> hehehe
Feb 08 16:15:08 <kami22> this must be really big plants 
Feb 08 16:15:10 <kami22> :)
Feb 08 16:15:18 <EvilDevil> joschkopf almost  :-P  http://www.patrickschneider.info/slugcastle.htm
Feb 08 16:15:22 <kitno455> you dont need to connect to the kv line to steal power from it
Feb 08 16:15:31 <kitno455> just lay a wire on the ground under it
Feb 08 16:15:47 <EvilDevil>  inductive power ;)
Feb 08 16:15:55 <kami22> i know but thats doesnt thrilling :)
Feb 08 16:15:59 <kitno455> haha
Feb 08 16:16:07 <kitno455> thrilled to death
Feb 08 16:16:17 <EvilDevil> afk
Feb 08 16:16:26 <kitno455> anything with a multi-meter long insulator scares me
Feb 08 16:16:41 <kami22> better say: thrilled to sand. much more wont be left :)
Feb 08 16:17:17 <kami22> we call this a "Platinenlutscher" :)
Feb 08 16:19:08 <kami22> test
Feb 08 16:34:19 <joschkopf> anyone knows the php-function to determine, how long it took to generate a webpage?
Feb 08 16:59:55 <^herman2^> joschkopf no, but it will be slow ;)
Feb 08 17:00:00 <^herman2^> (just tested it)
Feb 08 17:00:28 <joschkopf> i just installed apache2 + php, we'll see :)
Feb 08 17:00:40 <joschkopf> pure html seems very fast - compared to a normal slug :)
Feb 08 17:03:19 <kitno455> NAiL, my dns resolution problems are getting stranger
Feb 08 17:03:38 <kitno455> ssh out from slug and nslookup from slug cannot resolve the host
Feb 08 17:03:54 <kitno455> but ping and curl can
Feb 08 17:06:22 <kitno455> anyone here running a recent HEAD build of openslug or ucslugc?
Feb 08 17:06:44 <Sinclair73de> joschkopf?
Feb 08 17:06:58 <joschkopf> here
Feb 08 17:07:06 <RealEvilDevil_> damn standy-mode :/
Feb 08 17:07:12 <Sinclair73de> not on yahoo?
Feb 08 17:07:43 <joschkopf> ups
Feb 08 17:15:21 <RealEvilDevil_> anyone tried to do a make update recently?
Feb 08 17:17:12 <EvilDevil_> i always get this error about sharp-sdmmc-support and make update failes (MasterMakefile)
Feb 08 18:01:45 <Sinclair73de> i get the same error when do make update
Feb 08 18:03:17 <EvilDevil> ok, well.. then i'm not the only one :)
Feb 08 18:36:44 <Sinclair73de> now the checkout seems working
Feb 08 20:05:27 * ByronT is away: auto-away after 180m idle
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Feb 09 02:59:52 <McTails> !ping world
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