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Jul 27 12:48:04 <cbrake> is the nslu2 monotone repo currently being syncronized w/ the main oe repo?
Jul 27 12:48:51 <koen> rwithby said it was, but some evidence points to the contrary
Jul 27 12:49:35 <cbrake> koen: my builds from dev are failing, but I probably need to update my conf files ...
Jul 27 12:52:48 <kitno455> re all
Jul 27 12:53:13 <kitno455> question about udev/hotplug under openslug HEAD:
Jul 27 12:54:07 <kitno455> i see the bootup procedure says something about 'synthesizing hotplug events', but flash drive udev rules dont get run
Jul 27 12:54:27 <kitno455> so flash drives that are plugged in at boot dont get mounted
Jul 27 12:54:43 <kitno455> any ideas where to look?
Jul 27 12:57:37 <koen> cbrake: in doubt, just pull from monotone.openembedded.org
Jul 27 13:12:39 <cbrake> org.openembedded.dev on monotone.nslu2-linux.org has multiple heads if anyone here has write access ...
Jul 27 13:13:44 <koen> write acces should be the same everywhere
Jul 27 13:14:36 <koen> mtn:  bytes in | bytes out | revs in | revs outmtn:   110.5 k |   217.8 k |     9/9 |    39/39
Jul 27 13:14:46 <koen> doesn't look like it's synced much
Jul 27 13:16:56 <koen> cbrake: you could ask the nslu2-linux people to increase the sync frequency
Jul 27 13:18:23 <kitno455> cbrake, i had same issue yesterday. i pulled from monotone.oe.org instead, it works fine
Jul 27 13:19:10 <cbrake> kitno455: ok, I'll give it a try ...
Jul 27 13:20:23 <kitno455> i just modified the update-master section of the makefile
Jul 27 13:20:43 <kitno455> but you could do it by hand too
Jul 27 13:20:59 <cbrake> koen: I tried to push the merged heads to nslu2-linux.org and it did not work -- keep getting I/O failures ...
Jul 27 13:21:26 <cbrake> koen: and I have pushed changes to openembedded.org.
Jul 27 13:22:13 <cbrake> kitno455: sounds good -- I'll give that a try.
Jul 27 13:22:15 <kitno455> you have write perms?
Jul 27 13:23:17 <cbrake> kitno455: I have write perms to main oe repo and I think to nslu2 svn -- not sure what is up w/ the nslu2-linux monotone repo.
Jul 27 13:25:32 <kitno455> cbrake, did you give rod a new key after the recent mtn upgrade?
Jul 27 13:26:31 <cbrake> kitno455: no, I did not
Jul 27 13:27:15 <kitno455> cbrake, i dont know if he kept your old key, he sent some emails about it...
Jul 27 13:27:30 <cbrake> kitno455: ok, I'll take a look ...
Jul 27 13:30:16 <kitno455> think i found a bug in start-stop-daemon, it says it wont start a duplicate process, but it does so anyway.
Jul 27 13:31:16 <kitno455> or at least it seemed to.
Jul 27 13:37:10 <kitno455> no, it seems to happen during an ipkg install, if fails to shutdown the prior running copy
Jul 27 16:15:25 <mr_claus__> is it a good idea to build a software raid with two usb connected disks?
Jul 27 16:15:33 <mr_claus__> or it's better to use rsync?
Jul 27 16:28:19 <kitno455> mr_claus__, depends on the speed you need from the drives when writing
Jul 27 16:28:40 <kitno455> usb is pretty slow if you've got both disks going at once
Jul 27 16:28:48 <mr_claus__> kitno455: the speed is not important, i need to backup the data
Jul 27 16:29:10 <kitno455> raid is not backups
Jul 27 16:29:13 <mr_claus__> kitno455: and i don't know if the software raid is stable with usb disks
Jul 27 16:29:39 <mr_claus__> i want only be sure to not loose the data because a crashed disk
Jul 27 16:29:42 <kitno455> raid1 will protect against single disk failure
Jul 27 16:30:05 <kitno455> but that's not going to help if you mistakenly rm -rf something
Jul 27 16:30:25 <mr_claus__> i know
Jul 27 16:30:31 <mr_claus__> i can write the data to dvd's
Jul 27 16:31:03 <kitno455> will you make a dvd as often as you would rsync?
Jul 27 16:31:49 <kitno455> you have to take a guess, which is more likely, fat finger a command, or lose a disk.
Jul 27 16:32:31 <kitno455> a couple of folks on here have used raid over usb with success
Jul 27 16:34:33 <mr_claus__> i could use raid1 and rsync additional
Jul 27 16:35:00 <kitno455> you got a third disk?
Jul 27 16:35:09 <kitno455> or another machine?
Jul 27 16:35:24 <mr_claus__> i will get as many disks as i need to secure my data
Jul 27 16:35:52 <mr_claus__> there are pictures on it and if i loose it my wife will kill me :D
Jul 27 16:36:04 <kitno455> i love the slug, but get a real machine, and put 3 disks in it
Jul 27 16:36:30 <mr_claus__> i have a normal machine, to noisy
Jul 27 16:36:39 <kitno455> fanless powersupply
Jul 27 16:36:51 <mr_claus__> and the cpu?
Jul 27 16:37:00 <kitno455> Zalman cooler
Jul 27 16:37:05 <kitno455> no fans
Jul 27 16:37:18 <kitno455> or a mini itx machine
Jul 27 16:37:28 <mr_claus__> why not a slug?
Jul 27 16:38:21 <kitno455> quite slow, and the external power bricks and cases and cords for the drives are annoying
Jul 27 16:39:53 <kitno455> it will work, dont get me wrong, just my opinion that its a bit underpowered for raid plus rsync service
Jul 27 16:40:34 <kitno455> and some of the supposed cost savings of the slug is eaten up by the usb HD enclosures
Jul 27 16:40:59 <kitno455> yes, you can get cheap ones of those, but with those, you get what you pay for.
Jul 27 16:45:34 <kitno455> heresy i guess :)
Jul 27 17:02:40 * cbrake is about ready to buy a real computer for his backup server ...
Jul 27 17:03:07 <cbrake> rsync uses gobs of memory, and I can't seem to get it working reliably w/ openslug -- even w/ swap enabled :-\
Jul 27 17:19:15 <tuv> i use rdiff-backup on debianSlug (used it before on debian/NSLU2 too).. it's perfect
Jul 27 17:19:38 <tuv> it maintains a history so that you can restore older snapshots
Jul 27 17:20:15 <tuv> and yet it mirrors the current stat of the data.. 
Jul 27 17:20:21 <tuv> s/stat/state
Jul 27 17:21:47 <cbrake> tuv: thx, I'll give that a try ...
Jul 27 17:34:57 <kitno455> cbrake, why buy- i pull p3 class machines out of the trash all the time
Jul 27 17:54:20 <cbrake> kitno455: lower power and smaller size -- my backup server is located in an associates office, so I like to minimize the disruption.  I'm thinking a $300 mini-itx system.
Jul 27 17:54:42 <cbrake> kitno455: but, you have a good point -- maybe I'll just go w/ a regular system ...
Jul 27 18:44:59 <kitno455> cbrake, if you can find a mini atx compaq, you might like it, because they often dont have a cpu fan.
Jul 27 18:45:26 <kitno455> ok guys- here is something weird- udevsynthesize does not work on first openslug boot. any ideas?
Jul 27 20:37:23 <tuv> i don't think the slug is underpowered for doing backups. it seems to be so for getmail though! whenever it's doing something else, getmail fails
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