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Oct 29 03:48:51 <root____> exit
Oct 29 04:12:32 <VoodooZ> help
Oct 29 13:50:32 <NAiL> osas: ping?
Oct 29 13:50:46 <NAiL> I've sent you a mail re dircproxy. Doesn't compile on HEAD.
Oct 29 13:51:05 <NAiL> morning koen ;)
Oct 29 13:51:33 <NAiL> koen: do you know what package provides something like libc6-dev?
Oct 29 13:54:16 <koen> glibc and uclibc would be my guess
Oct 29 13:54:29 <koen> if something RDEPENDS on libc6-dev, that's a but
Oct 29 13:54:47 <koen> (R)DEPEND on glibc-dev instead, OE will take care of the renaming
Oct 29 13:56:50 <NAiL> nothing provides dependency glibc-dev, libc-dev or libc6-dev (if I try to bb manually)
Oct 29 14:13:14 <osas> NAiL: I will check
Oct 29 16:33:52 <NAiL> koen: would angström work as a replacement for slugos? Ie, can it be as slim as slugos is?
Oct 29 16:34:45 * NAiL is thinking about starting slugos from scratch
Oct 29 16:38:49 <NAiL> or is there a guide I can use for making a new distro? :)
Oct 29 16:38:55 <VoodooZ> from scratch??? you mean a redesign?
Oct 29 16:39:12 <VoodooZ> Just the infrastructure? That might be a good idea.
Oct 29 16:44:21 <NAiL> a redesign, yes
Oct 29 16:54:59 <VoodooZ> and why do you feel it's required?
Oct 29 16:55:07 * VoodooZ is just curious
Oct 29 16:56:39 <VoodooZ> I should probably do the same thing for my robot. slugbot distro
Oct 29 17:10:58 <VoodooZ> NAiL: I'm willing to help you if it gets glibc 2.5 working.
Oct 29 17:11:11 <NAiL> that is also kind of the point ;)
Oct 29 17:11:57 <VoodooZ> oh. I see. That's why I wasn't sure why you wanted to redo it.
Oct 29 17:12:21 <VoodooZ> I was close to doing something similar based on a better working model angstrom.
Oct 29 17:13:21 <NAiL> yeah
Oct 29 17:13:51 <NAiL> I'm not sure how to start, and since I've got way too little time at the moment, reading up on everything is going to kill me ;-)
Oct 29 17:14:00 <VoodooZ> I don't know if it's considered a "good" model but it appears to work.
Oct 29 17:15:01 <NAiL> I'm not sure how much stuff angstrom includes by default, and how easy it is to modify
Oct 29 17:15:05 <VoodooZ> Yeah, I'm more the type to hack at it semi-randomly until it works. (which it rarely)
Oct 29 17:15:53 <VoodooZ> The best thing is probably just to copy the angstrom distro file and comment out stuff one by one and rebuilding in between.
Oct 29 17:16:22 <VoodooZ> then again, I have no idea what I'm talking about! :(
Oct 29 17:17:50 <VoodooZ> Is that what koen and others suggested to fix the glibc thing?
Oct 29 17:19:21 <NAiL> well, koen didn't suggest exactly that
Oct 29 17:19:30 <NAiL> but he mentioned that slugos is overly complicated
Oct 29 17:20:44 <NAiL> and if a rewrite is what is necessary to get glibc 2.5, then I guess a rewrite is in order
Oct 29 17:20:55 <VoodooZ> well, it might be but it's because it's trying to satisfy a growing number of platforms.
Oct 29 17:21:23 <NAiL> Anyway, I'd like to build an image for the thecus n2100 too. That'd require some rework
Oct 29 17:21:40 <VoodooZ> I just had a quick browse of the angstrom distro conf and there's lots of stuff that could be commented right from the start (X windows stuff)
Oct 29 17:22:15 <VoodooZ> I'd love to try the upstart init replacement package too eventually to  speed things up
Oct 29 17:22:25 <NAiL> yeah, all graphical stuff (and bootloader) is unnessecary
Oct 29 17:22:51 <NAiL> unnecessary
Oct 29 17:23:04 <VoodooZ> once you have a working barebone then it's easier to add stuff in.
Oct 29 17:23:15 <NAiL> yeah
Oct 29 17:23:36 <NAiL> get it to build a working toolchain and kernel, and make an image. All the details can come later ;)
Oct 29 17:23:45 <VoodooZ> yep
Oct 29 17:25:48 <VoodooZ> This way we would have all the EABI stuff already in.
Oct 29 17:25:53 <NAiL> yes
Oct 29 17:26:28 <NAiL> I'd like to make a distro that can run on fsg-3, nslu2, dsmg600, nas100d, etc.
Oct 29 17:26:40 <NAiL> and also the n2100
Oct 29 17:27:17 <VoodooZ>  have different OE machine types for each and a generic slugos distro.
Oct 29 17:27:32 <NAiL> yeah
Oct 29 17:27:41 <NAiL> the machines are *mostly* the same
Oct 29 17:27:50 <NAiL> but they'll need different images 
Oct 29 17:27:55 <VoodooZ> i see.
Oct 29 17:28:51 <VoodooZ> The angstrom conf files span only 2-3 files and one is only 4-6 lines.
Oct 29 17:29:56 <VoodooZ> Of course, for my application I prefer a stripped down distro that is lightweight and boots real fast.
Oct 29 17:30:08 <VoodooZ> Then I just add my packages.
Oct 29 17:30:50 <VoodooZ> I'd rather not have to clean the frills but then again I understand I'm a special case so I can't complain.
Oct 29 17:31:07 <NAiL> imho, a stripped down distro is the best
Oct 29 17:31:18 <NAiL> that makes it a lot easier to customize
Oct 29 17:31:29 <VoodooZ> yeah, I could then clone it and call it roboslug! :)
Oct 29 17:31:34 <NAiL> hehe, yeah
Oct 29 17:32:28 <VoodooZ> The thing is I might eventually move to a more powerful processor so I might need to change platform but that is not for a while.
Oct 29 17:32:31 <NAiL> I don't know how much of the automated stuff in OE works though
Oct 29 17:32:45 <VoodooZ> like what?
Oct 29 17:32:58 <NAiL> the bootstrap-stuff
Oct 29 17:33:05 <NAiL> (which apparently is deprecated)
Oct 29 17:33:08 <NAiL> stuff like that
Oct 29 17:33:14 <VoodooZ> ouch.
Oct 29 17:33:15 * NAiL doesn't quite get that bit yet
Oct 29 17:33:40 <VoodooZ> yeah, I need to see the big picture to work and it's hard with OE
Oct 29 17:34:10 <NAiL> I'm trying to check out the website to see if I can understand a bit more
Oct 29 17:34:38 <VoodooZ> Check the URLs i posted a while back on the glibc thread.
Oct 29 17:35:06 <VoodooZ> I started reading the basic stuff which was good but I'm not sure how deep the site goes.
Oct 29 17:35:34 <VoodooZ> angstrom refers to task-bootstrap btw.
Oct 29 17:36:10 <VoodooZ> perhaps the OE guys could recommend a good, more up-to-date distro to use as a foundation.
Oct 29 17:36:22 <NAiL> probably angstrom :p
Oct 29 17:36:27 <VoodooZ> hehehe
Oct 29 17:45:32 <NAiL> *sigh* upgrading monotone is a pain
Oct 29 17:45:49 <NAiL> mtn: calculating rosters to regenerate
Oct 29 17:45:49 <NAiL> mtn: regenerated
Oct 29 17:45:49 <NAiL> mtn:   900/8,994
Oct 29 17:45:57 <NAiL> I've been waiting for like... 15 mins
Oct 29 18:00:17 <VoodooZ> ouch
Oct 29 18:00:27 <VoodooZ> which version are you at now?
Oct 29 18:00:29 <NAiL> 0.30
Oct 29 18:00:35 <NAiL> it requires upgrading the db format
Oct 29 18:00:48 <NAiL> netsync stays the same, so the server doesn't need to be upgraded
Oct 29 18:01:02 <VoodooZ> ummm. fedora core5 only has 0.28
Oct 29 18:01:03 <NAiL> but it's *fast* :)
Oct 29 18:01:28 <NAiL> http://venge.net/monotone/downloads/monotone-0.30-0.mtn.1.fc5.i386.rpm
Oct 29 18:01:35 <VoodooZ> cool. thanks
Oct 29 18:01:40 <NAiL> np :)
Oct 29 18:02:24 <VoodooZ> fast is good!
Oct 29 18:02:40 <NAiL> definitely
Oct 29 18:03:58 <VoodooZ> darn. yum can't satisfy all those libboost deps..
Oct 29 18:05:48 <VoodooZ> I was supposed to upgrade to Fedora Core6 today but the media test says my CDs are bad when they are not.
Oct 29 18:16:27 <VoodooZ> so how does it affect the HEAD?
Oct 29 18:18:54 <NAiL> the new monotone?
Oct 29 18:19:03 <NAiL> not at all, it's just faster ;)
Oct 29 18:20:11 <VoodooZ> so I just install it and do make update as usual? 
Oct 29 18:20:15 <NAiL> almost
Oct 29 18:20:32 <NAiL> you'll have to do mtn db migrate, then update_rosters
Oct 29 18:20:37 <NAiL> or something like that ;)
Oct 29 18:20:41 <NAiL> it's two commands anyhow
Oct 29 18:21:02 <VoodooZ> ok. I think I remember having to do that a while back.
Oct 29 18:21:28 <VoodooZ> but it doesn't look like I'll be able to get it install anyways.
Oct 29 18:31:04 <NAiL> after ~1 hour, it's <25% of the way
Oct 29 18:33:01 <NAiL> hi kon
Oct 29 18:33:12 <NAiL> s/kon/koen/
Oct 29 18:33:13 <apt> NAiL meant: hi koen
Oct 29 18:33:29 <koen> hey NAiL 
Oct 29 18:33:44 * koen is looking at googlemaps to find out where the hell he is
Oct 29 18:33:55 <NAiL> you don't know where you are? ;)
Oct 29 18:34:21 <koen> I know which city I'm in 
Oct 29 18:34:33 <VoodooZ> And where is that?
Oct 29 18:34:49 <koen> Vlissingen
Oct 29 18:35:15 <koen> 52 degrees 27 minutes N 3 degress 33 minutes E
Oct 29 18:35:37 <VoodooZ> ??? which country is that? germany? (I suck in geography!)
Oct 29 18:35:47 <koen> .nl
Oct 29 18:36:02 <VoodooZ> cool.
Oct 29 18:36:18 <VoodooZ> Where are you located NAiL? I forgot.
Oct 29 18:36:50 <NAiL> Trondheim, .no
Oct 29 18:37:21 <VoodooZ> wow. we're far! :)
Oct 29 18:37:26 <VoodooZ> I'm Ontario, Canada.
Oct 29 18:37:44 <NAiL> that's a bit away, yeah ;)
Oct 29 18:37:49 <joshin> VoodooZ, stop sending your old people here!  (Phoenix, Arizona)
Oct 29 18:38:27 <VoodooZ> hahahaha
Oct 29 18:38:40 <VoodooZ> I guess old people like the warm dry weather. hehe
Oct 29 18:39:19 <VoodooZ> joshin: is there that many canadian in that area? I know a lot of people from Quebec go to Florida.
Oct 29 18:39:52 <joshin> Lots!  I thought about putting up some Harper campaign signs here before your last election.  :p
Oct 29 18:40:28 <VoodooZ> hehehe
Oct 29 18:40:48 <VoodooZ> I hope they are nice and respectful at least. 
Oct 29 18:41:30 <joshin> They are fine.  Well except for leaving their left blinkers on all the time.  :)  Its good for our economy here so I can't complain much.  :)
Oct 29 18:41:51 <VoodooZ> yeah, I bet. with all that retirement money.
Oct 29 18:42:12 <VoodooZ> When I try to migrate the db to mtn 0.30 it says I have to do monotone migrate_workspace
Oct 29 18:42:15 <VoodooZ> is this safe?
Oct 29 18:43:08 <NAiL> yeah
Oct 29 18:45:09 <VoodooZ> ok. migrating...
Oct 29 18:46:51 <VoodooZ> ouch. I see what you meant by slow now!
Oct 29 18:47:03 <VoodooZ> epsecially on an old 600Mhz p3!
Oct 29 18:59:19 <NAiL> koen: brw, can I be added to the oe dev map? :)
Oct 29 19:01:58 <VoodooZ> koen: is angstrom the best model to based a potential slugos redesign on? 
Oct 29 19:51:42 <koen> VoodooZ: I'd say 'yes', but I'm biased :)
Oct 29 20:08:46 <VoodooZ> koen: ok. NAiL and I were wondering about that. thanks for your input.
Oct 30 00:33:06 <anix> howdy?>
Oct 30 00:49:47 <anix> [g2] around?
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