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Feb 26 23:00:35 <rwhitby-n800> Morning
Feb 26 23:01:12 <peteru> Top of the morning to you.
Feb 26 23:01:33 <peteru> Is it cold and dark over there?
Feb 26 23:08:27 <rwhitby-n800> Sunny and a bit chilly
Feb 26 23:10:13 <peteru> I have not had a chance to hack on the Beyonwiz for a few days - flat out with work.
Feb 26 23:10:41 <peteru> I take it that a proper toolchain is still eluding everyone?
Feb 26 23:13:32 <peteru> I noticed that Eric is suggesting using gcc4, but I think that the existing kernel is built with gcc2.95 - I wonder whether the different versions could have ABI incompatibilities. The x86 versions of gcc are not binary compatible between 2.95 and 4.x
Feb 26 23:15:54 <rwhitby> I guess we need an official toolchain from Beyonwiz to be sure.
Feb 26 23:16:59 <peteru> Yeah. Andrew Choi is the CTO - perhaps send a request to him?
Feb 26 23:17:16 <rwhitby> bbiab
Feb 27 00:31:05 <tonymy01> what exactly is a "toolchain"
Feb 27 00:31:11 <tonymy01> is this more than just a compiler
Feb 27 00:31:36 <tonymy01> because the compiler i am running runs fine, based on 2.95 GCC
Feb 27 00:31:54 <tonymy01> makes apps that run on the Wiz fine
Feb 27 00:32:19 <tonymy01> i am guessing the toolchain is the whole environment to create the kernel also?
Feb 27 00:32:43 <rwhitby> compiler, linker, shared libraries, kernel ABI, ...
Feb 27 00:33:10 <rwhitby> since everything so far is staticly linked on the wiz, that's probably why it's working.
Feb 27 00:33:31 <tonymy01> yeah, sorry, for me, linker and compiler go hand in hand
Feb 27 00:34:10 <rwhitby> for optware packages we often have to match gcc, glibc and binutils versions so we can reuse vendor shared libraries.
Feb 27 00:34:21 <tonymy01> the big hassle with building a 86XX kernel is when you do a configure, you get 1000 questions, and many of them are quite specific to the hardware, memory config, flash config etc.
Feb 27 00:35:42 <tonymy01> i already found that out trying to install the toolchain that Eric linked to (based on an 86XX box).   I had to downgrade my gcc to 3.1 to compile it without errors, similarly for my (working) Asus router toolchain
Feb 27 00:35:44 <rwhitby> tonymy01: "make oldconfig"
Feb 27 00:36:07 <rwhitby> (assuming you have a vendor .config file)
Feb 27 00:36:13 <tonymy01> ahh, thanks for that
Feb 27 00:37:09 <tonymy01> maybe i should start again for the 3rd time with that install then :-)
Feb 27 00:37:33 <tonymy01> although I am not really the person to be messing with the kernel nuts & bolts anyway
Feb 27 00:38:09 <tonymy01> If I can tick boxes that say "enable ext2" then this is fine (which I did for the Asus), but anything else  is really beyond my abilities kernel wise.
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