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Mar 24 05:25:08 <rwhitby> hey MattH, Yuv422
Mar 24 05:27:15 <Yuv422> Hi Rod
Mar 24 05:27:20 <Yuv422> How's things?
Mar 24 05:27:41 <tonymy01> hey eric, rod just forwarded me an interesting app
Mar 24 05:27:49 <tonymy01> perlTGD ported to use wizremote
Mar 24 05:27:59 <rwhitby> wiztimerd?
Mar 24 05:28:23 <tonymy01> just about to put it thru its paces
Mar 24 05:28:30 <rwhitby> jim just contacted me, and I replied to him and you seeing whether this should be a single app which does both topfield and beyonwiz?
Mar 24 05:28:33 <tonymy01> now there is 5 things at once i am working on
Mar 24 05:28:58 <Yuv422> Hey tony
Mar 24 05:29:00 <Yuv422> cool
Mar 24 05:29:06 <rwhitby> tonymy01: should we merge perltgd and wiztimerd, or keep them separate?
Mar 24 05:29:16 <tonymy01> i would prefer combined, and have it split timers for wiz to be HD channels and timers for Topfield for SD channels
Mar 24 05:29:49 <rwhitby> tonymy01: can you reply to my email, saying that, and include eric on the reply (I forgot to include him)
Mar 24 05:30:06 <tonymy01> i need to work out how it works first
Mar 24 05:31:11 <rwhitby> we could call it "Timer Epg Downloader Suite 2" (TEDS2) ;-)
Mar 24 05:32:53 <tonymy01> no way
Mar 24 05:33:04 <tonymy01> i don't want to continue to associate with ted if i can
Mar 24 05:33:20 <tonymy01> i hate that windows visual dialog script app
Mar 24 05:36:16 <rwhitby> :-)
Mar 24 05:36:39 <rwhitby> we need to think of a new name which includes timers and epg for topfield and beyonwiz
Mar 24 05:36:47 <rwhitby> topwiztimers
Mar 24 05:37:07 <Yuv422> pvrtimers
Mar 24 05:37:18 <rwhitby> pvrtivo
Mar 24 05:37:37 <rwhitby> (possible trademark problems though)
Mar 24 05:37:51 <tonymy01> oops, it has a little something missing:
Mar 24 05:37:52 <tonymy01>      Function to transfer timers to the unit
Mar 24 05:37:58 <rwhitby> pvrtimerd ?
Mar 24 05:39:18 <tonymy01> it is just a basic framework.. .drats.   I was hoping he had nutted out the comms
Mar 24 05:39:47 <tonymy01> i was going to disable aes and give it a go, but I didn't find a simple way of using AES with perl
Mar 24 05:41:39 <Yuv422> I'm sure there are lots of AES implementations for perl.
Mar 24 05:45:37 <tonymy01> back to wiztimerd, i see why he broke it away from perlTGD, this is because he searches the xml file rather than the TGD files.
Mar 24 05:46:34 <rwhitby> what I want to ascertain, is whether there is a group of people who are interested in collaborating in a central svn repository on such an application, as opposed to multiple people going off in multiple directions on their own machines at the same time.
Mar 24 05:47:47 <rwhitby> For instance, I'm not sure of jim16's stance on that at the moment.  It takes people who are willing to give up full control of every aspect of the application and allow others to make changes which fit a certain broad strategy ...
Mar 24 05:49:28 <rwhitby> to do such a thing, you need a situation where the latest code is *always* up to date in the svn repo - i.e. people work directly from the repo and check in regularly as the application inches forward in functionality
Mar 24 05:50:17 <tonymy01> i have never worked in this environ before, so don't know the logistics of it all
Mar 24 05:51:00 <rwhitby> tonymy01: yeah, it takes a real mindset change, and not everyone is prepared to give it a go - you need to trust the other people who are working on the same app.
Mar 24 05:51:30 <rwhitby> but you can get real multiplication of development effort when it works well
Mar 24 05:53:30 <rwhitby> it also needs people who are able to refer to "our application" rather than "my application" :-)
Mar 24 05:53:42 <tonymy01> i have made it work with the current perlTGD directory structure already
Mar 24 05:54:42 <rwhitby> tonymy01: right - if we were working in SVN I'd be able to see exactly what you did right now
Mar 24 05:54:48 <tonymy01> it builds a wiz.timers file ok with all my timers using my existing faves
Mar 24 05:55:38 <tonymy01> i didn't do anything expect change the shell script to call it in my xmltv directory, and change the prefs to use the listings.xml file rather than xmltv.xml (and also use the ice channel name rather than whatever Jim had)
Mar 24 05:55:43 <tonymy01> accept
Mar 24 05:55:52 <tonymy01> except
Mar 24 05:55:59 <tonymy01> not expect...
Mar 24 05:56:19 <tonymy01> slash kill my last 3 messages :-)
Mar 24 05:57:09 <tonymy01> i will go back to fixing epg_uploader now
Mar 24 05:58:30 <rwhitby> I think we need to separate out creation of the epg and timers, from uploading and downloading.
Mar 24 05:59:00 <rwhitby> rather than have it all in the one script like perltgd.  Then people can either use the provided script, or easily script their own variations.
Mar 24 05:59:30 <tonymy01> but perlTGD is very flexible, I call it 3 times to do different things
Mar 24 05:59:51 <tonymy01> one to create tgds, one to create faves, one to upload to topfield
Mar 24 06:00:18 <tonymy01> dog is hassling me again
Mar 24 06:00:22 <tonymy01> see you later
Mar 24 06:00:47 <rwhitby> yeah, perltgd is quite flexible in that respect.
Mar 24 06:01:31 <rwhitby> Yuv422: what do you think?  how do you see wizremote being used by scripts like wiztimerd or perltgd?
Mar 24 06:01:42 <Yuv422> yeah
Mar 24 06:02:17 <Yuv422> I tried to keep the protocol fairly simple for that reason
Mar 24 06:02:33 <Yuv422> so it could be used by other sources
Mar 24 06:03:02 <tonymy01> without aes, i reckon i could knock something up in a day
Mar 24 06:03:19 <tonymy01> i already found a sample perl script to open a tcp port connection and do some comms
Mar 24 06:03:38 <Yuv422> you can run wizremote without aes
Mar 24 06:03:55 <tonymy01> which is my plan if i am going to work on developing this
Mar 24 06:04:56 <Yuv422> I'd want a secure connection myself
Mar 24 06:05:29 <Yuv422> I guess it wouldn't be a prorblem if the connection was over a lan
Mar 24 06:16:55 <rwhitby> Yuv422: definitely want secure if you're coming in from outside the lan
Mar 24 06:17:23 <rwhitby> from the slug to the beyonwiz on the same wired lan, I wouldn't worry.
Mar 24 06:17:36 <rwhitby> from the slug to the beyonwiz over wifi, you might want it secure.
Mar 24 06:18:49 <rwhitby> tonymy01: http://search.cpan.org/~delta/Crypt-Rijndael_PP-0.04/Rijndael_PP.pm
Mar 24 06:19:00 <rwhitby> Yuv422: will that one work?
Mar 24 06:20:03 <Yuv422> looks ok
Mar 24 06:20:30 <Yuv422> speed isn't too important as we only use it to handshake
Mar 24 06:26:46 <rwhitby> so pvrtimers could use that for the wizremote comms
Mar 24 06:28:08 <rwhitby> we need to split wiztimerd into some perl modules
Mar 24 08:49:10 <rwhitby> we need to get prl to do the perl modules for pvrtimers
Mar 24 11:06:21 <MattH> hi all, sorry been busy on some other things
Mar 24 11:50:02 <MattH> rhwitby, I'll try and catch you another time
Mar 24 12:15:04 <CIA-23> openwiz: efry * r14 wizfwtools/trunk/src/svctool.c:
Mar 24 12:15:04 <CIA-23> openwiz: Rewrote the svc loading routine.
Mar 24 12:15:04 <CIA-23> openwiz: Added the ability to rename channels.
Mar 24 12:15:04 <CIA-23> openwiz: Added the ability to write svc.dat files.
Mar 24 12:15:35 <tonymy01> nice eric
Mar 24 12:15:58 <Yuv422> ty
Mar 24 12:16:13 <Yuv422> could someone with a little endian system give it a go? :)
Mar 24 12:16:51 <tonymy01> is ubuntu?  i wouldn't think o
Mar 24 12:16:53 <tonymy01> so
Mar 24 12:17:05 <Yuv422> intel
Mar 24 12:17:07 <tonymy01> cygwin would be, but i hate cygwin
Mar 24 12:17:49 <tonymy01> i run ubuntu in vmware, i have no idea what environ that runs in
Mar 24 12:18:08 <Yuv422> I'd say it would still match your host systems endianness
Mar 24 12:36:25 * rwhitby wonders if we will ever be able to use the Beyonwiz as an ftpd-topfield server ...
Mar 24 12:39:13 <Yuv422> how about a pnp ps3 server?
Mar 24 13:21:30 <Yuv422> I'm off to bed now
Mar 24 13:21:32 <Yuv422> cya
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