**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 18 02:59:56 2008
Jun 18 14:51:32 <tonymy01> oh wow
Jun 18 14:51:50 <tonymy01> didn't realise that a whole bunch of media playback stuff was logged to the serial port!
Jun 18 14:52:09 <tonymy01> @@@@@ PID 68, Tid 4101 -smbmount_simple() - Beyonwiz:beyonwiz1@//192.168.0.120/beyonwiztoolchain on /tmp/mnt/smb/TONYSPC/beyonwiztoolchain -o iocharset=utf8,unicode,lfs,codepage=euc-kr,rw
Jun 18 14:52:15 <tonymy01> DISABLE_DTS_DECODING = 0
Jun 18 14:52:15 <tonymy01> m2t
Jun 18 14:52:15 <tonymy01> stream 0/2 (pid 514 [0x202] subId   0 [0x00] type   3 [0x03])
Jun 18 14:52:15 <tonymy01> system audio mpeg1
Jun 18 14:52:15 <tonymy01> stream 1/2 (pid 516 [0x204] subId   0 [0x00] type 136 [0x88])
Jun 18 14:52:16 <tonymy01> system audio dts
Jun 18 14:52:18 <tonymy01> ignore this audio stream, another one was already found
Jun 18 14:52:20 <tonymy01> stream 2/2 (pid 513 [0x201] subId   0 [0x00] type   2 [0x02])
Jun 18 14:52:22 <tonymy01> system video mpeg12
Jun 18 14:52:24 <tonymy01> video type is mpeg2 HD
Jun 18 14:52:26 <tonymy01> audio type is mpeg1
Jun 18 14:53:00 <tonymy01> ****************** open 1/1: task = 0 ******************
Jun 18 14:53:00 <tonymy01> dcc_info[0].demux_task =  44
Jun 18 14:53:00 <tonymy01> duration 596 secs
Jun 18 14:53:00 <tonymy01> ##### RMDCCInfo audio_dec 0 (play_psfdemux.c,6008)
Jun 18 15:12:47 <peteru> Strange.
Jun 18 15:13:05 <tonymy01> lots more where that came from,
Jun 18 15:13:10 <peteru> Looks like a MPEG2 TS, but audio is  (incorrectly) flagged as DTS
Jun 18 15:13:34 <tonymy01> can't remember what that corresponded to
Jun 18 15:14:08 <peteru> One of the HD channels
Jun 18 15:14:19 <tonymy01> i was playing HD stuff quite smoothly now I am hooked up via ethernet (including WMV-HD) and came back to my pc to check the forums out, and wondered what all the junk was in my microcom session!
Jun 18 15:15:13 <tonymy01> i think that file *may* have been a full TS of Nein
Jun 18 15:15:24 <peteru> Paste the whole lot to http://pastebin.ca/ and post the URL here ;-)
Jun 18 15:15:44 <tonymy01> Steve gave me a test f/w a while ago that records the whole ts so I could send them some samples
Jun 18 15:18:46 <peteru> Well, it seems only one video stream was present, but mpeg1 audio with HD?
Jun 18 15:18:48 <tonymy01> http://www.pastebin.ca/1050204
Jun 18 15:20:31 <tonymy01> there was a crash in the middle there, a file just hung up the player (but normally just spits an error, it is an mkv file it refuses to play for some reason)
Jun 18 15:20:49 <tonymy01> all the mount errors is my USB tweak script :-)
Jun 18 15:21:28 <peteru> OK, the rest of the log would indicate that it is a full TS, with two video services
Jun 18 15:21:42 <tonymy01> yep
Jun 18 15:22:08 <tonymy01> it is strange that it logs things sometimes, but not always?
Jun 18 15:23:16 <peteru> Perhaps some code was compiled with DEBUG flag on and other with off and depending on how you get there, the output is either on or off.
Jun 18 15:24:29 <tonymy01> see it uses its own smbmount also
Jun 18 15:25:00 <tonymy01> great, now you know my password
Jun 18 15:25:20 <tonymy01> oh well, it is only smb, i don't provide access to the outside world for that protocol
Jun 18 15:26:01 <peteru> I tend to ignore such things - years of practice as sysadmin - ignore passwords.
Jun 18 15:26:28 <peteru> I suppose it's the opposite of being a black hat cracker - look for passwords.
Jun 18 15:27:25 <tonymy01> interesting news about ice
Jun 18 15:28:04 <peteru> The code must be a real mess. AVI handler prints the filename, MKV does not.
Jun 18 15:28:05 <tonymy01> the wiz seems to be chopping my 1920x1080p samples to 960x544
Jun 18 15:28:41 <peteru> What line in the log?
Jun 18 15:29:25 <tonymy01> actually, that may not be correct
Jun 18 15:29:39 <tonymy01> it is showing avi for that splitter, but the file is a ts
Jun 18 15:29:56 <tonymy01> line 147
Jun 18 15:30:19 <peteru> It says it was Matroska
Jun 18 15:30:37 <tonymy01> strange?
Jun 18 15:31:02 <peteru> 6 channel 96kHz AAC audio
Jun 18 15:31:09 <peteru> H.264 video
Jun 18 15:31:11 <tonymy01> i wish my remote had range to drive the wiz from here, i could do all this again and take note of the behaviour
Jun 18 15:31:17 <peteru> Sounds like a BD rip
Jun 18 15:31:39 <peteru> or perhaps HDDVD rip.
Jun 18 15:31:42 <peteru> With video scaled down.
Jun 18 15:32:13 <tonymy01> i downloaded a bunch of 1920x1080 MPEG test patterns, EVO files etc, had to rename the EVO to ts
Jun 18 15:32:40 <tonymy01> was mucking about playing them
Jun 18 15:33:30 <peteru> I always wonder about the quality of code when I see that the source files have 6000+ lines of code.
Jun 18 15:34:05 <tonymy01> which source?  or is there a line number in there somewhere
Jun 18 15:34:11 <peteru> Make that 7100+ lines (log line 235)
Jun 18 15:34:37 <tonymy01> ahh, that is a line number you think
Jun 18 15:34:58 <peteru> Yep, guaranteed.
Jun 18 15:35:20 <peteru> Standard logging practice is to dump the name of the source file and the line number.
Jun 18 15:35:34 <tonymy01> and that is just one small routine (play_psfdemux.c)
Jun 18 15:36:50 <peteru> The Windows media decoder goes back to 2005.
Jun 18 15:37:06 <tonymy01> is that WMA, or the full decoder
Jun 18 15:37:47 <peteru> Seems to be WMA
Jun 18 15:38:53 <peteru> but then again, there are references to WMV in the log as well.
Jun 18 15:39:08 <tonymy01> the mkv that won't play doesn't give a decent log:
Jun 18 15:39:09 <tonymy01> # DISABLE_DTS_DECODING = 0
Jun 18 15:39:09 <tonymy01> quitting due to error RM_ERROR (9)...
Jun 18 15:39:09 <tonymy01> ##### RMDCCInfo NULL (play_matroska.c,4309)
Jun 18 15:39:33 <tonymy01> actually, mkv is open source i think, so maybe i can correlate that errror to something
Jun 18 15:40:19 <tonymy01> when i renamed the mkv to avi, the ac3 audio plays, but no vid:
Jun 18 15:40:27 <tonymy01> # DISABLE_DTS_DECODING = 0
Jun 18 15:40:27 <tonymy01> audio
Jun 18 15:40:27 <tonymy01> audio type is ac3
Jun 18 15:40:27 <tonymy01> duration 348 secs
Jun 18 15:40:27 <tonymy01> prebuffering
Jun 18 15:40:28 <tonymy01> now playing
Jun 18 15:40:30 <tonymy01> File ready 1 times, waiting for EOS
Jun 18 15:41:26 <peteru> So the file is MKV, but if you rename to AVI, you get more success?
Jun 18 15:41:58 <tonymy01> well, it doesn't reject it with "unsupported format", i instead get a black screen with perfect AC3 audio
Jun 18 15:42:47 <peteru> That is weird.
Jun 18 15:45:03 <peteru> The conspiracy plot thickens: http://business.smh.com.au/tivo-launch-imminent-minus-monthly-fee-20080521-2gvx.html
Jun 18 15:45:16 <tonymy01> i am going to give it a go with tsmuxer (which converts mkv to ts)
Jun 18 15:45:25 <tonymy01> but not now, bed time i think
Jun 18 15:46:44 <peteru> This is becoming pretty clear to me now. EPG only on TiVo, with TiVo providing an advertising channel to the broadcasters.
Jun 18 15:47:01 <tonymy01> yeah, it seemed that this was the writing on the wall
Jun 18 15:47:25 <peteru> Creating a monopoly, where technically it is FTA, but in practice, it's the same as Foxtel.
Jun 18 15:47:45 <tonymy01> funny how seven got pissed off at unwired's early announcement of tivo partnership
Jun 18 15:48:14 <tonymy01> nine and ten in there too hey, wow
Jun 18 15:48:26 <peteru> It's just that these guys will get the infrastructure (access to the channels) for free, as opposed to having to string cables through the streets.
Jun 18 15:48:45 <peteru> The bloody government sold us (the consumers) out.
Jun 18 15:48:57 <tonymy01> oh yes
Jun 18 15:49:12 <tonymy01> fta is going to be so screwed
Jun 18 15:49:34 <peteru> And it's no surprise. The TV networks can break the government if they put their mind to it.
Jun 18 15:50:00 <tonymy01> media control of politics has certainly happened in the past in a lot of countries
Jun 18 15:50:25 <peteru> The pollies are not going to do anything that would upset all the commercial TV stations
Jun 18 15:50:35 <peteru> No matter how right or wrong it is.
Jun 18 15:51:00 <tonymy01> i am about to go ADSL2 now
Jun 18 15:51:05 <tonymy01> perfect timing i think
Jun 18 15:51:23 <tonymy01> get my fave shows that the braodcasters are fucking around with
Jun 18 15:51:40 <peteru> Just goes to show that an open source PVR is really a very important tool.
Jun 18 15:52:27 <peteru> Once you remove the commercial interests, you gain freedom to build alternative systems.
Jun 18 15:52:28 <tonymy01> yeah, i have this horrible thought that beyonwiz won't open it up to allow 3rd party epg uploads (and timer uploads) and we will be stuck with a setup like pre- ICE Interactive
Jun 18 15:52:57 <tonymy01> maybe with no FTA guide at all?
Jun 18 15:54:53 <peteru> It's all a bit depressing, because the whole environment is a closed loop. Even if device manufacturers want to do a bit better, they are constrained by the chipset vendors who are influenced by the studios.
Jun 18 15:55:41 <peteru> and studios want to protect the old school model, while at the same time creating a new model, where they have tighter control and lower distribution costs.
Jun 18 15:56:17 <tonymy01> it has to be against the dvb-t standards to start encrypting everything isn't it?
Jun 18 15:56:30 <peteru> They want the consumer to pay for the distribution (downloads), yet restrict the consumption, so that you pay over and over and over for the same thing.
Jun 18 15:57:04 <peteru> Nope, DVB is designed to provide encryption throughout.
Jun 18 15:57:33 <tonymy01> including epg?
Jun 18 15:57:47 <tonymy01> hey, using tsmuxer worked like a charm
Jun 18 15:58:06 <tonymy01> ****************** open 1/1: task = 0 ******************
Jun 18 15:58:06 <tonymy01> dcc_info[0].demux_task =  44
Jun 18 15:58:06 <tonymy01> duration 1881 secs
Jun 18 15:58:06 <tonymy01> ##### RMDCCInfo audio_dec 0 (play_psfdemux.c,6008)
Jun 18 15:58:06 <tonymy01>    0_PAT: [   0  1f] [   1 100]
Jun 18 15:58:07 <tonymy01> #0001 PMT founded
Jun 18 15:58:09 <tonymy01>    0_PMT: index=1 prog=0x0001 pid=0x100 pcr_pid=0x1001 [0x001b 0x1011] [0x0081 0x1100]
Jun 18 15:58:11 <tonymy01>    m> 0_PmtSetAVList index=1 prog=0x001 pid=0x100
Jun 18 15:58:13 <tonymy01>    m> 2 PES streams:
Jun 18 15:58:15 <tonymy01>    m>   vpid[0]= 0x1011(0x1b)= h264 video
Jun 18 15:58:17 <tonymy01>    m>   ecm_pid=0x1FFF
Jun 18 15:58:19 <tonymy01>    m>   apid[0]= 0x1100(0x81)= ac3    audio
Jun 18 15:58:21 <tonymy01>    m>   ecm_pid=0x1FFF
Jun 18 15:58:23 <tonymy01>    m>   seek file to beginning
Jun 18 15:58:25 <tonymy01>    m>   0_SetPidFilterForAVPlayback vpid[0]= 0x1011(0x1b) apid[0]= 0x1100(0x81) pcrpid= 0x1001
Jun 18 15:58:27 <tonymy01> this is an mkv that gives unsupported format, remuxed with tsmuxer
Jun 18 15:58:46 <peteru> I suspect that the TiVo version of EPG will be delivered in a different format. More interactive, so that they can advertise right there on the guide.
Jun 18 15:59:08 <tonymy01> it would be nice if we had a proper communications channel to beyonwiz where we can openly discuss ALL issues with them without language barrier probs etc also
Jun 18 15:59:39 <tonymy01> probably, that is the guessing on dtvforums anyway
Jun 18 16:00:11 <peteru> MHEG may be one option
Jun 18 16:00:44 <peteru> But given that TiVo are US based, I would not be surprised if they cook their own, or even use something like flash.
Jun 18 16:01:10 <peteru> Did I mention I hate flash with a passion.
Jun 18 16:01:25 <peteru> It's the evil backdoor of the internet.
Jun 18 16:02:11 <tonymy01> lol
Jun 18 16:02:33 <tonymy01> nokia provided flash support finally on the nokian95, but it is buggy as hell
Jun 18 16:02:44 <peteru> Actually, from a technology point of view, using the same virtual machine as BlueRay for delivering extra payload for IPTV and the "new FTA" would make sense.
Jun 18 16:03:37 <peteru> But technologically sensible solutions are the least likely to be chosen.
Jun 18 16:03:39 <tonymy01> when i Remote Desktop Share into my home pc to surf sites that my work would likely frown upon, there is nothing worse than hitting a flash site, as it grinds my connection to a halt as windows attempts to keep pumping the graphics over the RDS link
Jun 18 16:04:07 <peteru> Use firefox with the NoScript add-on.
Jun 18 16:04:33 <tonymy01> i probably should try firefox one day :-)
Jun 18 16:04:55 <peteru> 3.0 was released today.
Jun 18 16:05:17 <tonymy01> i see everyone at work using it, but i figure "may as well use what is avail without filling the HDD up any more"
Jun 18 16:05:30 <peteru> It looks like they are going to hit over 7.5 Million downloads in the first 24 hours.
Jun 18 16:06:55 <tonymy01> ok, really is bed time
Jun 18 16:06:59 <tonymy01> zzz, see you
Jun 18 16:07:03 <peteru> It poops all over IE, give Firefox a week and tweak it - you won't go back to IE.
Jun 18 16:07:08 <peteru> Night.
Jun 18 16:07:17 <tonymy01> will do
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