**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 22 02:59:58 2007
Jan 22 07:41:54 <CIA-6> nbd * r6174 /trunk/package/spca5xx/ (Makefile patches/): upgrade spca5xx to latest upstream version
Jan 22 08:15:18 <CIA-6> nbd * r6175 /packages/net/pmacct/Makefile: fix various makefile errors (#1236)
Jan 22 08:16:42 <wigyori> 'morning ;p
Jan 22 08:16:55 <nbd> morning :)
Jan 22 10:32:11 <loswillios> nbd: that CONNMARK-fix doesn't compile: http://pastebin.ca/324459
Jan 22 10:46:18 <nbd> loswillios: ah, found the bug
Jan 22 10:46:23 <nbd> will commit a fix now
Jan 22 10:48:43 <CIA-6> nbd * r6176 /trunk/include/netfilter.mk: fix a typo in my netfilter commit - worked for iptables, didn't work for the kernel modules
Jan 22 10:48:51 <nbd> loswillios: there you go :)
Jan 22 10:57:46 <loswillios> thx nbd
Jan 22 11:01:20 <loswillios> I wonder how that filtering-stuff will affect performance. Currently (w/o qos) with a downloadrate from 1,6MB/s the WGT634U hardly responses (typing, etc.)
Jan 22 11:02:33 <nbd> what filtering stuff?
Jan 22 11:06:20 <loswillios> sorry I mean QOS. (how that l7-thing affects performance)
Jan 22 11:06:59 <[florian]> not that easy to measure
Jan 22 11:08:03 <nbd> loswillios: you definitely shouldn't overuse l7
Jan 22 11:08:33 <nbd> loswillios: most of the time you don't even need more than 1-2 rules using l7 patterns
Jan 22 11:10:39 <loswillios> nbd: I'll try the defaults first. I remember you saying they'll fit for ~95% of users ;-)
Jan 22 11:12:09 <nbd> yeah
Jan 22 11:18:24 <[florian]> yeah, finally received the compex dev kit :)
Jan 22 11:18:46 <wigyori> what's in it? :)
Jan 22 11:21:32 <[florian]> two development boards, and one wp54wrt6b
Jan 22 11:22:10 <[florian]> jtag adaptor, poe adaptor ...
Jan 22 11:22:45 <armijn> Google can't find it
Jan 22 12:48:40 <[florian]> nbd: do you have recent adm5120 patches ?
Jan 22 12:49:14 <nbd> no
Jan 22 12:49:22 <nbd> there is some stuff on the compex page
Jan 22 12:49:25 <[florian]> I found patches for 2.6.12-rc1 which seems correct
Jan 22 12:49:31 <[florian]> nbd: where ?
Jan 22 12:49:40 <nbd> don't remember
Jan 22 12:49:58 <[florian]> I think they changed their site
Jan 22 12:49:58 <nbd> did you also not get any sources for the firmware?
Jan 22 12:50:03 <[florian]> no
Jan 22 12:50:08 <[florian]> no cd-rom and the link is dead
Jan 22 12:50:25 <nbd> is it not at www.compex.com.sg?
Jan 22 12:50:58 <[florian]> it is yes, but there is no source code to download via http
Jan 22 12:51:19 <nbd> hmm
Jan 22 12:51:23 <nbd> annoying
Jan 22 12:51:24 <[florian]> maybe more via ftp
Jan 22 12:51:31 <[florian]> gpl violation ;)
Jan 22 12:53:59 <armijn> hm?
Jan 22 12:54:03 <armijn> stop saying that
Jan 22 12:54:12 <armijn> that triggers something in my subconscious
Jan 22 12:55:01 <wigyori> :)
Jan 22 12:56:46 <[florian]> humm midge has some "unpublished" headers
Jan 22 12:56:49 <[florian]> that's not great
Jan 22 12:56:55 <armijn> nope
Jan 22 12:57:01 <armijn> mail rt@gpl-violations.org :P
Jan 22 14:13:17 <CIA-6> nbd * r6177 /trunk/package/nvram/src/ (17 files in 3 dirs): remove lots of useless junk from the nvram package
Jan 22 14:25:17 <armijn> hm
Jan 22 14:25:17 <armijn> ok
Jan 22 14:25:23 <armijn> does ipkg2 ring a bell here?
Jan 22 14:39:00 <[florian]> less than anita ward does
Jan 22 14:39:12 <armijn> ehr
Jan 22 14:39:31 <[florian]> armijn: where to find ?
Jan 22 14:39:45 <armijn> [florian]: BT home hub code
Jan 22 14:40:10 <armijn> http://www.btopenworld.com/broadband/adhoc_pages/hub_firmware.html
Jan 22 14:42:30 <armijn> I can't extract stuff from the firmware, as it seems to be signed or so :S
Jan 22 14:42:34 <[florian]> hum
Jan 22 14:43:13 <armijn> but I just need to know whether or not I didn't accidentily made a brainfart
Jan 22 14:43:29 <armijn> s/made/had/
Jan 22 14:46:01 <[florian]> how could you know
Jan 22 14:46:34 <armijn> well
Jan 22 14:46:53 <armijn> ipkg2_sign(in=7=6239807[byte], out=1=6240151[byte]) (ipkg2-header=344[byte])
Jan 22 14:46:59 <armijn> that is a hint
Jan 22 14:47:11 <armijn> also can't spot any zip, lzma, bz2, or any other headers
Jan 22 16:31:18 <loswillios> nbd: your qos works like a charm - and that's without even configuring it
Jan 22 16:38:54 <loswillios> it's kind of magic ;-)
Jan 22 16:42:34 <CIA-6> nico * r6178 /packages/net/linuxigd/files/upnpd.conf: change prerouting_chain_name to prerouting_wan (closes: #1180), thanks to loswillios
Jan 22 16:43:43 <crazy_imp> loswillios: guess nbd sacrifices something everyday to keep it working - it's black magic ;)
Jan 22 16:51:14 <CIA-6> nico * r6179 /packages/ipv6/mrd6/patches/02-missing_netlink_defs.patch: fix mrd6 compilation on linux 2.4 (remove @LINUX_2_6 from DEPENDS to test it)
Jan 22 17:00:07 <CIA-6> nico * r6180 / (31 files in 31 dirs): cosmetic change: rename PKG_BUILDDEP to PKG_BUILD_DEPENDS
Jan 22 17:27:35 <armijn> hm
Jan 22 17:27:50 <armijn> new busybox has no more e2fsprogs?
Jan 22 17:28:15 <armijn> wicked.
Jan 22 17:34:12 <crazy_imp> hm, building kamikaze fails after package'ing ncurses -> http://pastebin.ca/324815  :/
Jan 22 17:42:47 <crazy_imp> hm, guess ipkh-build died, no ncurses package in bin/packages
Jan 22 17:42:57 <crazy_imp> s/ipkh/ipkg/
Jan 22 17:46:09 <crazy_imp> but libncurses is there, the last action from ipkg, and it doesn't looks broken, tar extracts everything without nagging about file ends
Jan 22 17:46:34 * crazy_imp is confused
Jan 22 17:50:04 <[mbm]> pastebin doesn't show anything useful
Jan 22 17:50:23 <crazy_imp> [mbm]: so i should post more? wait
Jan 22 17:51:03 <[mbm]> all I said was that there was nothing useful in the paste; I'm sure that you could paste even more and still not have anything useful
Jan 22 17:51:34 <crazy_imp> hm, ok
Jan 22 17:52:12 <crazy_imp> [mbm]: some ideas where i should take a look?
Jan 22 17:52:49 <[mbm]> make sure you aren't trying to do a parallel build
Jan 22 17:54:36 <crazy_imp> [mbm]: it was set to two jobs, changed it back to one. dunno why it worked yesterday with the same configuration....
Jan 22 17:56:58 <[mbm]> I just mean for the purposes of debugging
Jan 22 17:57:35 <[mbm]> when you set it to multiple everything prints to the screen at once and it's difficult to match errors with their cause
Jan 22 18:01:00 <crazy_imp> [mbm]: it's working now :) thanks
Jan 22 18:01:11 <[mbm]> weird.
Jan 22 18:04:27 <crazy_imp> true
Jan 22 18:13:40 * crazy_imp is hungry and looks at gummibaerchen 
Jan 22 18:14:20 <armijn> ehr
Jan 22 18:17:49 <crazy_imp> armijn: what? i'm sure it is legal here to eat gummibaerchen :D
Jan 22 18:18:11 <armijn> yeah, well...
Jan 22 18:18:16 <armijn> but they contain gelatin
Jan 22 18:18:28 <armijn> so it would not be suitable for vagetarians
Jan 22 18:18:29 <armijn> or jews
Jan 22 18:18:31 <armijn> or muslems
Jan 22 18:18:36 <armijn> ehr
Jan 22 18:18:45 <armijn> vegetarians
Jan 22 18:18:46 <armijn> sorry
Jan 22 18:18:55 <Kaloz> i'm neither.. may i get some? :P
Jan 22 18:19:02 <armijn> my brain is kinda...fried today
Jan 22 18:19:07 <Kaloz> with tequila flavor please :p
Jan 22 18:20:34 * crazy_imp remembers the day where he told his sister that gelatine is in gummibaerchen :D
Jan 22 18:21:45 <armijn> sigh
Jan 22 18:22:08 <[mbm]> soylent.
Jan 22 18:22:09 <armijn> does anyone know where I can find any version of the Moreton Bay DHCP server?
Jan 22 18:22:16 <armijn> busybox website doesn't have it anymore
Jan 22 18:22:42 <armijn> or is it in busybox these days?
Jan 22 18:24:15 <armijn> ok, nvrmnd
Jan 22 18:28:45 <jr-> armijn. http://dy.fi/k80
Jan 22 18:29:10 <armijn> yeah, I already spotted it in some busybox sources too
Jan 22 18:29:15 <armijn> at least, enough to work with
Jan 22 18:29:56 <armijn> so...how am I going to tell the companies that thought they were safe "noooo, your product *does* violate the GPL"
Jan 22 18:29:59 <armijn> gah
Jan 22 18:35:36 <[mbm]> armijn: pretty much exactly like that
Jan 22 18:36:21 <armijn> that's true
Jan 22 18:36:22 * armijn mails
Jan 22 18:37:36 <[mbm]> if the company isn't gpl compliant, I doubt they have anyone on staff to handle opensource issues, in which case you probably won't hear a reply until you really push them
Jan 22 18:40:29 <armijn> I'm planning on doing that
Jan 22 18:40:41 <armijn> the interesting issue is that this is some weird embedded thing
Jan 22 18:40:51 <armijn> no Linux
Jan 22 18:40:54 <armijn> no BSD
Jan 22 18:40:58 <armijn> no VxWorks
Jan 22 18:41:01 <armijn> but NASbasic or so
Jan 22 18:41:17 <armijn> and I know I will get a reply from some of the companies
Jan 22 18:46:06 <jr-> armijn. i have some rdc based nas like device. i think it has 'nasbasic' firmware
Jan 22 18:49:27 <Kaloz> armijn: msg
Jan 22 18:51:08 <armijn> jr-: that one
Jan 22 19:02:19 <armijn> more baerchen
Jan 22 19:02:26 <armijn> for all you hungry people
Jan 22 19:03:22 <crazy_imp> hehe
Jan 22 19:05:56 <crazy_imp> hm, what should i use in the Makefiles to pass options to the configure script? there are two ways i've seen so far, first one from http://wiki.openwrt.org/BuildingPackagesHowTo using: ./configure \ bla (guess this is the older way) and the second one: $(call Build/Configure/Default, \ bla (thats what i'm using at the moment because i think it's the newer one).
Jan 22 19:06:56 <armijn> isn't there $DWIM for that?
Jan 22 19:07:13 <crazy_imp> armijn: ?
Jan 22 19:08:47 <armijn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DWIM
Jan 22 19:10:11 <crazy_imp> :D
Jan 22 19:14:06 <Kaloz> hmz, anyone familiar in brussels?
Jan 22 19:14:21 * armijn waves
Jan 22 19:14:25 <armijn> well, familiar...
Jan 22 19:14:44 <armijn> I think they are weird there
Jan 22 19:14:50 <Kaloz> :)
Jan 22 19:14:51 <armijn> and too many people are speaking french there
Jan 22 19:15:08 <armijn> and hardly any dutch
Jan 22 19:15:17 <armijn> while it is officially a bilingual city
Jan 22 19:15:30 <Kaloz> where cna i find a damn map to figure out how far are the hotels from fosdem?
Jan 22 19:15:34 <armijn> now it is mainly french + language of country $person came from
Jan 22 19:16:04 <armijn> so while technically that is bilingual, it is not how it is supposed to be
Jan 22 19:32:42 <murb> Kaloz: get a hotel near the grandplatz
Jan 22 19:32:55 <murb> for getting back there after drinking in the evening.
Jan 22 19:33:08 <murb> you don't wany a hotel near the fosdem venue.
Jan 22 19:33:32 <murb> just get one near a tram line that goes in that direction.
Jan 22 19:33:44 <murb> ULB is the stop or 2 before lambda iirc.
Jan 22 19:34:23 <Kaloz> i see.. to near grandplatz i'm set, right?
Jan 22 19:34:35 <murb> yep, when are you arriving?
Jan 22 19:34:47 <Kaloz> probably 23th
Jan 22 19:35:05 <murb> if you wait a moment i'll dig up the details of the hotel i stayed in last year which was conviently next to the tramline going to ULB.
Jan 22 19:35:15 <Kaloz> thanks :)
Jan 22 19:35:18 <armijn> grand platz? :S
Jan 22 19:35:23 <armijn> grand place in french
Jan 22 19:35:26 <armijn> or grote markt in dutch
Jan 22 19:35:57 <Kaloz> Hotel La Madeleine seems to be a clear winner so far then
Jan 22 19:36:10 <Kaloz> unless murb gives a better tip :)
Jan 22 19:36:28 <murb> Kaloz: the hotel i was in was ok, and did a weekend deal which made it cheap.
Jan 22 19:36:41 <murb> but i also choose it because it had parking.
Jan 22 19:36:47 <murb> (although again not cheap)
Jan 22 19:37:01 <murb> this year i'm travelling by train.
Jan 22 19:37:02 <Kaloz> honestly i mostly care about 24hours reception and no lockout
Jan 22 19:37:17 <murb> Kaloz: should be the case with nearly all hotels.
Jan 22 19:37:35 <murb> Kaloz: not to mention hotel bars that stay open late :-)
Jan 22 19:37:37 <Kaloz> i'll go with plane.. hmz, this brings up another question.. is there a site about mass transportation there?
Jan 22 19:37:45 <murb> yes...
Jan 22 19:37:56 <armijn> plane -> train
Jan 22 19:38:02 <armijn> there are trains from the airport
Jan 22 19:38:42 <murb> http://www.stib.irisnet.be
Jan 22 19:40:20 <Kaloz> armijn: i mean some info on what "lines" does it have, how can i go and look around
Jan 22 19:42:26 <armijn> Kaloz: Brussels isn't that big
Jan 22 19:42:35 <murb> Kaloz: centeral brussels is walking distance
Jan 22 19:42:37 <murb> to each part
Jan 22 19:43:33 <Kaloz> hmm.. how far is the ulb from the grand place by foot then?
Jan 22 19:43:34 <murb> you can buy a 10 jourey ticket iirc or a one day(24h?) travel ticket, but make sure you composet(or however it is spelt)
Jan 22 19:43:39 <murb> Kaloz: too far
Jan 22 19:43:44 <murb> you get a tram for that.
Jan 22 19:45:06 <armijn> or a bus
Jan 22 20:16:59 <Bartman007> armijn: I demand you add DWIM to buildroot-ng ASAP.
Jan 22 20:17:12 <Bartman007> ;-)
Jan 22 20:18:57 <thepeople_work> I second that, it would make building webif^2 much easier :-P
Jan 22 20:20:48 <armijn> hmm
Jan 22 20:21:00 <armijn> well, ehr...no? :P
Jan 22 20:31:50 <[mbm]> I think you should take DWIM a step further and DWIT; I need only imagine the device fully configured and have it read my thoughts
Jan 22 20:47:59 <armijn> that...is worrying
Jan 22 20:48:16 <armijn> I think we'll get some beer drinking, pr0n surfing router...
Jan 22 20:48:19 <armijn> :P
Jan 22 20:51:55 <[mbm]> and just what's wrong with that?
Jan 22 20:53:07 <murb> DWIM depends ESP
Jan 22 22:27:48 <CIA-6> florian * r6181 /trunk/package/kernel/modules/wireless.mk: Fix zd1211rw typo and call (#1241)
Jan 22 23:21:58 <CIA-6> florian * r6182 /trunk/ (16 files in 16 dirs): Add chaostable from #1187, also enable netfilter modules for ixp4xx.
Jan 22 23:29:44 <CIA-6> florian * r6183 /trunk/target/linux/ (11 files in 11 dirs): Forgot to add the DELUDE target :/
Jan 22 23:39:59 <Kaloz> murb: we should meet in the Delerium Cafe IMHO :)
Jan 22 23:48:15 * murb will have to find and program his GPS.
Jan 22 23:49:10 <murb> Kaloz: oh i recongise that arcade just from the picutre on http://www.deliriumcafe.be/ :-)
Jan 22 23:50:03 <murb> Kaloz: there is a pub near the university that has 100s of beers and is a lot cheaper than the middle of town, unforutnly i think they tend to be on holiday a this time of the yea r:(
Jan 22 23:53:03 <Kaloz> murb: this one is near the grand place and has 2000 different beers :)
Jan 22 23:53:19 <Kaloz> but i have to sleep now, good night :)
Jan 22 23:57:43 <murb> Kaloz: but it will be a tourist trap.
Jan 22 23:57:47 <murb> good night!
Jan 23 02:44:05 <Bartman007> murb: I'll get on adding support for ESP, I assume Ghostscript is ok?
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