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Mar 09 08:50:48 <CIA-13> mbm * r6541 /trunk/package/mtd/src/mtd.c: fallback when devfs names aren't found
Mar 09 16:53:02 <rmax> [florian]: are you here?
Mar 09 17:03:17 <ejka> Well, cpmac driver is mostly finished, and tomorrow I hopefully finish vlynq rework.
Mar 09 17:21:40 <[florian]> rmax: yes I am
Mar 09 17:21:52 <[florian]> ejka: great
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 09 17:26:12 2007
Mar 09 17:26:13 <rmax> Yes, I noticed that
Mar 09 17:26:24 <rmax> it doesn't even compile for 6345
Mar 09 17:26:47 <[florian]> ah, you mean, choosing 6345 in kernel's menuconfig ?
Mar 09 17:26:58 <rmax> But I thought the CPUs are mostly identical and only the DSL part is different.
Mar 09 17:27:21 <rmax> Yes, I changed the kernel to build for 6345.
Mar 09 17:27:52 <[florian]> well the CPU is the same, but there are some memory mappings that are different, and I did not yet thought about making it runtime compatible
Mar 09 17:28:18 <[florian]> I mean, the SoC in its whole is not really the same
Mar 09 17:28:29 <rmax> yes, of course.
Mar 09 17:29:13 <[florian]> I will probably open an official brcm63xx-2.6.8.1 which *should* be binary drivers compatible
Mar 09 17:29:24 <[florian]> sorry, unofficial
Mar 09 17:30:25 <rmax> BTW compilation fails somewhere in time.c. It seems the respective header file for 45 is lacking some definitions and/or the section of time.c that needs them is not properly ifdef'ed to be only built for 48
Mar 09 17:30:56 <[florian]> we could probably workaround this by using some generic mips code instead of broadcom
Mar 09 17:31:21 <rmax> The missing definitions are: PLL_N1_MASK, PLL_N1_SHFT, PLL_N2_MASK, PLL_N2_SHFT, PLL_M1_CPU_MASK, PLL_M1_CPU_SHFT.
Mar 09 17:31:49 <[florian]> thanks
Mar 09 17:32:20 <[florian]> rmax: I am not especially working on brcm63xx stuff right now, but I will try to make a runtime workaround for detecting boards this weekend
Mar 09 17:32:59 <rmax> BTW, I have a board.c for the dynalink models, in case you are interested.
Mar 09 17:33:16 <[florian]> how much does it differs ?
Mar 09 17:33:32 <armijn> *cough* license *cough*
Mar 09 17:33:36 <[florian]> board.c is not that much useful it only provides functions used by other drivers
Mar 09 17:33:57 <armijn> sorry, please continue :P
Mar 09 17:34:04 <rmax> Ah - sorry. It's not board.c. I mean the one that contains the board definitions.
Mar 09 17:34:25 <[florian]> boardparams I guess ?
Mar 09 17:34:26 <armijn> dynalink, the aussie company, or the dutch one?
Mar 09 17:34:42 <rmax> [florian]: right, that was the name.
Mar 09 17:34:50 <rmax> armijn: the aussie ones.
Mar 09 17:35:45 <rmax> The SE515 is identical to the dynalik RTA770, except that the USB port is missing.
Mar 09 17:36:24 <armijn> on the board, or in the casing?
Mar 09 17:36:34 <armijn> because then it could just be added
Mar 09 17:37:06 <Kaloz> wondering when we see at least one gpl compüliant bcm63xx
Mar 09 17:37:34 <rmax> The boad has the wiring, but besides the connector some other parts are missing.
Mar 09 17:37:57 <nbd> Kaloz: i don't think that's likely to happen soon
Mar 09 17:38:18 <rmax> So, I'd need a closeup photo from that area on a RTA770 to be able to add a USB port to the SE515.
Mar 09 17:38:45 <rmax> Have you guys looked at the Sources from Siemens I put online recently?
Mar 09 17:39:10 <rmax> They are more complete than the ones they have on their official download site.
Mar 09 17:39:26 <rmax> ... but still contain somem binary drivers.
Mar 09 17:39:53 <armijn> rmax: give me all the dirt
Mar 09 17:39:59 <Kaloz> rmax: does the dsl still do the s/EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL/EXPORT_SYMBOL/ trick?
Mar 09 17:40:11 <rmax> At least, it allows me to re-build the simens firmware out of the box.
Mar 09 17:40:21 <rmax> Kaloz: I haven't checked that.
Mar 09 17:40:26 <Kaloz> :)
Mar 09 17:40:29 <nbd> i'm sure it does
Mar 09 17:40:33 <armijn> rmax: or rather, mail it to us at rt@gpl-violations.org with a CC to Shane at ftf@fsfeurope.org
Mar 09 17:40:37 <nbd> broadcom does it in their reference codebase
Mar 09 17:40:39 <Kaloz> anyways, it would be the first 63xx firmware that compiles, too
Mar 09 17:40:42 <Kaloz> :P
Mar 09 17:40:55 <armijn> we have direct contacts these days with the Siemens people and they are willing to help
Mar 09 17:41:20 <wigyori> Kaloz: the first one? lol ;p
Mar 09 17:41:26 <Kaloz> wigyori: yeah
Mar 09 17:41:38 <Kaloz> wigyori: no 63xx tarballs built ever
Mar 09 17:41:47 <armijn> Kaloz: did you already receive the Siemens stuff?
Mar 09 17:41:53 <Kaloz> armijn: not yet
Mar 09 17:42:04 <armijn> they should be shipped today at the latest
Mar 09 17:42:23 <rmax> armijn: I got the sources from a former colleague who now works for Siemens in a department that has the job to help the company be GPL complient.
Mar 09 17:43:03 <armijn> rmax: ok
Mar 09 17:43:10 <armijn> rmax: give us the dirt anyway :P
Mar 09 17:43:16 <rmax> http://tclers.tk/SE515/
Mar 09 17:43:25 <rmax> ... had to search for the URL.
Mar 09 17:43:26 <armijn> (where us == gpl-violations.org)
Mar 09 17:43:50 <rmax> armijn: I had talked to Harald about this before, but he seemed not interested.
Mar 09 17:44:15 <armijn> rmax: Harald is completely swamped with work
Mar 09 17:44:49 <rmax> BTW, the cross-tools in that dir are identical tro the ones in the official Siemens tarball, so if you have them already, you can save my server some bandwidth ;)
Mar 09 17:45:19 <armijn> rmax: but just last week the Freedom Task Force of the FSF Europe (with whom we work together) had Siemens fix stuff
Mar 09 17:45:32 <armijn> rmax: I'm not really interested in sources, just a list of things that need to be fixed :)
Mar 09 17:45:33 <rmax> cool
Mar 09 17:46:11 <armijn> sigh, why can't my bladder cope with 2 litres of tea...
Mar 09 17:47:39 <nbd> ah, another tea addict
Mar 09 17:47:52 <nbd> :)
Mar 09 17:47:53 <murb> armijn: wrong tea?
Mar 09 17:48:04 * rmax prefers coffee and beer, depending on  the time of day...
Mar 09 17:48:05 <murb> I need to buy some more tea.
Mar 09 17:48:13 <Kaloz> and how do you call me who happily drinks 2l tea after 2l capucchino or 2l rum? :P
Mar 09 17:48:24 <murb> i only drink coffee near beer i think.
Mar 09 17:48:43 <nbd> Kaloz: a crazy person :)
Mar 09 17:48:49 <Kaloz> nbd: bah :)
Mar 09 17:48:50 <nbd> Kaloz: like me :)
Mar 09 17:48:54 <Kaloz> :))
Mar 09 17:49:27 * Kaloz goes to drink a lapacho tea
Mar 09 17:49:33 <rmax> BTW, do you guys know if anybody ever payed the $10 to get the source CD from dynalink?
Mar 09 17:49:44 <armijn> murb: nope, not the wrong tea
Mar 09 17:50:23 <rmax> (... and made the content available for download)
Mar 09 17:50:56 <rmax> whoops, gotta run home, but will come back here from there...
Mar 09 17:51:01 * nbd drinks some snowflower flavoured earl grey donated by moonwatcher
Mar 09 17:51:27 <wigyori> ah, maybe even more important than boards themselves.. ;)
Mar 09 17:51:46 <armijn> ambootia darjeeling white tea here
Mar 09 17:51:58 <nbd> ooh, sounds nice
Mar 09 17:52:00 <[florian]> armijn: nice
Mar 09 17:52:16 <armijn> it also cost me EUR 15 for 100 grams
Mar 09 17:52:18 <armijn> but, meh
Mar 09 17:52:21 <[florian]> I am usually drinking "rouge bourbon"
Mar 09 17:52:23 <armijn> normally I go for chinese white tea
Mar 09 17:52:32 <rmax> BTW, sometimes, I call my beer "hobbs blossom tea" ;)
Mar 09 17:52:33 <[florian]> armijn: these are the ones I prefer
Mar 09 17:52:38 <armijn> my taste is just too expensive
Mar 09 17:52:42 <nbd> armijn: if it's as good as i imagine, it's probably worth it :)
Mar 09 17:52:57 <[florian]> armijn: there is a tea which is pretty good : small balls of tea flowers with ginseng inside
Mar 09 17:53:07 <rmax> later...
Mar 09 17:53:22 <armijn> nbd: normal chinese white tea (bai mu dan) isn't too expensive, EUR 4 per 100 grams or so
Mar 09 17:53:26 <armijn> but really worth it
Mar 09 17:53:37 <armijn> takes a bit of experience to steep it properly though :)
Mar 09 17:54:13 * nbd will buy a lot of tea on his next taiwan visit
Mar 09 17:54:34 <armijn> nbd: you can get most stuff here as well, probably cheaper ;-)
Mar 09 17:54:38 <Kaloz> thought you said you'll buy taiwanese girls
Mar 09 17:54:39 <Kaloz> :p
Mar 09 17:54:54 <armijn> :o
Mar 09 17:55:06 <armijn>  /msg nbd can you bring one or two girls for me then?
Mar 09 17:55:07 <armijn> oops
Mar 09 17:55:17 <wigyori> better get a whole container for them
Mar 09 17:55:17 <nbd> lol
Mar 09 17:55:37 <nbd> exporting girls in a container isn't exactly a nice thing to do
Mar 09 17:55:45 <armijn> nbd: but cheaper
Mar 09 17:55:53 <nbd> lol
Mar 09 17:55:56 <wigyori> nbd: who said we're nice? :)
Mar 09 17:56:07 <Kaloz> /msg nbd but you've said they work cheap and you can get extra on selling them in europe
Mar 09 17:56:10 <Kaloz> oooooooooooooooooooooooooops
Mar 09 17:56:10 <Kaloz> :)
Mar 09 17:56:17 <armijn> Kaloz: you meanie
Mar 09 17:56:26 <[florian]> was not yesterday supposed to be the day of the woman ?
Mar 09 17:56:33 <armijn> [florian]: yes, it was...
Mar 09 17:56:33 <[florian]> it was yesterday anyway
Mar 09 17:56:36 <Kaloz> [florian]: exactly. it _was_ yesterday
Mar 09 17:56:38 <armijn> so we're one day late
Mar 09 17:56:40 <wigyori> [florian]: it was, we celebrated it with women ;)
Mar 09 17:56:52 <[florian]> wigyori: really :)
Mar 09 17:57:00 <armijn> hm, netgear eva8000
Mar 09 17:57:10 <armijn> want one.
Mar 09 17:57:20 <armijn> I just know it is one GPL disaster
Mar 09 17:57:25 <wigyori> tappitytappitygoogle
Mar 09 17:57:36 <wigyori> hm
Mar 09 17:58:16 <wigyori> i wonder if this is exactly i saw on my boss' table
Mar 09 17:58:55 <[florian]> damn, some xmoto levels are very hard
Mar 09 17:58:58 <armijn> wigyori: could be the eva700
Mar 09 17:59:13 <wigyori> armijn: might be, have to look after on monday
Mar 09 18:13:04 <CIA-13> nbd * r6542 /trunk/target/linux/brcm-2.4/base-files/default/etc/init.d/netconfig: fix up the netconfig script after the devfs=>hotplug2 migration
Mar 09 18:18:57 <rmax> re
Mar 09 18:26:52 <rmax> Do you guys have contact to anybody who owns an RTA770 and could send me a photo of the USB part of the board?
Mar 09 18:31:42 <CIA-13> mbm * r6543 /trunk/target/linux/brcm-2.4/src/jffs2root.c: more devfs related bugs
Mar 09 18:41:17 <rmax> [florian]: do you know if there are sources available for redboot on 63xx?
Mar 09 18:58:56 <[florian]> rmax: I know malbon has some sources, but not for enet for instance
Mar 09 18:59:26 <[florian]> rmax: which is something I was particularly looking for
Mar 09 19:02:24 <rmax> That's unfortunately also not contained in the Siemens tarball I mentioned before.
Mar 09 19:04:01 <rmax> It only contains broadcom-speciffic source code in the drivers/char/bcmboard and drivers/char/bcmser subdirs of the kernel.
Mar 09 19:25:00 <[florian]> rmax: that's right, only board-specific stuff and the uart driver
Mar 09 19:33:13 <rmax> [florian]: ... and some flash driver.
Mar 09 19:34:34 <[florian]> rmax: it does not use the linux mtd subsystem, or very little
Mar 09 19:38:29 <rmax> BTW, what's the "official" way to make modifications like changing the target CPU from 6348 to 6345 for my builds?
Mar 09 19:39:36 <[florian]> it's like that
Mar 09 19:40:52 <[florian]> we do not yet support other brcm63xx SoC
Mar 09 19:41:13 <rmax> Well, I want to help adding that support.
Mar 09 19:41:53 <rmax> ... as far as my time and knowledge permits.
Mar 09 19:47:16 <[florian]> sure
Mar 09 19:47:35 <[florian]> anyway, keep in mind that you will not probably go much furhter than just booting the board and making binary driver oops :)
Mar 09 19:50:21 <rmax> you mean for now or as the final end result?
Mar 09 20:38:16 <[florian]> I mean for now
Mar 09 20:38:30 <[florian]> there might be a solution but I don't know if it is possible yet
Mar 09 21:26:07 <rmax> Yes, I expected this not to be a short-term thing.
Mar 09 21:26:17 <rmax> What's the solution you have in mind?
Mar 09 21:29:14 <rmax> [florian]: BTW, are you aware that www.alphacore.net, which seems to be yours, is currently unreachable?
Mar 09 21:30:57 <[florian]> rmax: yes I am, need to ask for restarting the box, looks like my xen kernel is not stable :/
Mar 09 21:33:26 <roh> tors, the least
Mar 09 21:33:26 <roh>           of which will be an individual's wishlist.  They already know that many people want
Mar 09 21:33:26 <roh>           wifi.  arguing about it isn't going to change their decision very much.  they already
Mar 09 21:33:26 <roh>           know the pros and cons much better than the people arguing about it.
Mar 09 21:34:10 <roh> eek
Mar 09 21:34:50 <roh> sorry... [x] do not bend over notebook when grabbing your router
Mar 09 21:36:09 <rwhitby> roh: nice quote ;-)
Mar 09 21:36:23 <loswillios> hrhr
Mar 09 21:37:13 <loswillios> at least the notebook didn't fell from the table
Mar 09 21:44:04 <roh> its in my lap..and i'm on a sofa in c-base ;)
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