**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 30 02:59:56 2007 Sep 30 04:55:36 dhr: sounds good - i feel asleep and just woke up again Sep 30 09:13:33 * rwhitby changes the Freecom FSG-3 support status from WiP to Kamikaze. Sep 30 09:13:54 (that's my contribution to the WiP day) Sep 30 09:15:00 as it's still WIP-Day, I'd like to point to #2439. The ar7 work has made huge progress and I have updated the wiki for the Speedport W701V regularly. However, the one showstopper is still #2439 and I would be happy to upgrade the wiki again :) Sep 30 09:16:53 loswillios: don't get over-worked Sep 30 09:17:27 rwhitby: this freecom thing is that one of those with a hd inside? Sep 30 09:21:30 I just can't figure out, why I can reach the internet only from the router. I have seen this issues with my WGT634U also, but nbd fixed it and I have no idea where to look other than ip_forward containing 1 Sep 30 11:02:06 glp_home: yes, FSG-3 - 10/100 WAN, 4 x 10/100 LAN, 4 x USB 2.0, eSATA, internal PATA disk, internal miniPCI (comes with Broadcom, but I replaced it with Atheros) Sep 30 11:02:48 64MB RAM is the main thing about it :-) Sep 30 11:03:07 I consider it to be *the* most feature-rich consumer device on which OpenWrt runs. Sep 30 11:03:41 of course, it has a commensurate price tag too :-) Sep 30 11:04:47 nice Sep 30 11:05:43 that's even better than the D-Link DSM-G600 Sep 30 11:06:07 rwhitby: pretty 'bas-ass' piece of hardware Sep 30 11:06:23 bas-ass = bad-ass Sep 30 11:07:10 Freecom are quite open-source friendly too. They sent me their latest 2.6 kernel source code ahead of their corresponding firmware release. Sep 30 11:07:40 and they published the serial and jtag locations and pinouts on their vendor community site. Sep 30 11:08:40 It's also made in Germany, so it's solid, heavy, and well built. Sep 30 11:09:45 rwhitby: did you approach freecom, when you found the device or? Sep 30 11:10:43 yes. they sent three devices to nslu2-linux so we could port optware to them. I used one of them to port openwrt to it. Sep 30 11:11:13 (this was well after they had their community site up and running) Sep 30 11:11:30 rwhitby: did they say why they wanted optware ported? Sep 30 11:12:01 oh, I presented that proposal to them. Sep 30 11:12:14 (pointing to the nslu2 success) Sep 30 11:12:59 rwhitby: was it difficult to get through with the proposal? Sep 30 11:13:49 not really. The product marketing manager is very open source aware. And we had all the nslu2 community figures to back it up. Sep 30 11:14:45 rwhitby: the Data Tank GateWay WLAN also looks quite interesting? Sep 30 11:14:47 they are not cheap devices (~USD$350 with 500GB disk), so shipping three of those around the world for free was a big investment Sep 30 11:15:16 yes, it runs basically the same firmware as far as I know. I have a request in for one of them, but budget is tight :-) Sep 30 11:15:28 rwhitby: what do you think freecom has gotten out of it until now? Sep 30 11:16:13 a package repository with over 750 packages in it - they even include ipkg and the configuration of our optware repository in their latest vendor firmware. Sep 30 11:17:29 they also just sent me three untested fsg3 PCBs that they had lying around the test lab, cause he couldn't get the budget for more boxed devices. Sep 30 11:17:46 wow Sep 30 11:17:50 the spam on the ticketing system seems to be getting worse :( Can any devs confirm if the panelway.cn spam is comming from the same IP/ or subnet? Sep 30 11:18:11 (so when I get them to work I can use them to maintain the port without upsetting the one that I use as my home internet gateway Sep 30 11:18:50 rwhitby: could you imagine that freecom would be interested in based their products on openwrt? Sep 30 11:20:08 dunno - they seem to have a knowledgeable kernel and firmware team - it's not like Linksys where they just buy a reference design and firmware from south east asia. Sep 30 11:20:55 (e.g. they have kernel mods which disable netfilter for packets coming in on the LAN, so that they can get the maximum possible switching and media serving speed for their commercial product. Sep 30 11:21:26 their latest 2.6-based beta firmware is running ARM EABI BE (which is about as bleeding edge as you can get) Sep 30 11:22:07 So I doubt they are looking to outsource development. Sep 30 11:22:25 rwhitby: and the headquartet is in berlin? Sep 30 11:22:44 headquartet = headquarter Sep 30 11:22:48 I believe so. Sep 30 11:23:56 rwhitby: very interesting story - makes me want to hear more (and buy one of those devices) Sep 30 11:24:59 I'm now looking for a companion travel device. Something with at least 32MB of RAM, 8MB of flash, usb 2.0 ports, runs openwrt with 2.6 kernel, has some sort of internal wifi, and is as small as possible. Sep 30 11:25:47 rwhitby: i jsut got me an asus wl500gp Sep 30 11:25:56 glp_home: I just finished helping modlv get a no-hardware-mod-required procedure for openwrt installation on the fsg3. Sep 30 11:26:31 yeah, the wl500gP is the leading contender at the moment. Sep 30 11:27:11 is it stable with 2.6.latest and a replacement atheros card? Sep 30 11:28:07 (for this purpose, I currently use an ObeseSlug (NSLU2 with mods for 16MB flash and 256MB RAM), and plug usb dongles in for wifi and bluetooth. Sep 30 11:29:24 rwhitby: i still have the brcm wifi - but it should be stable with atheros Sep 30 11:30:21 glp_home: so the "random segfaults" for 2.6 and atheros is out of date on http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Hardware/Asus/WL500GP ? Sep 30 11:30:41 (that's the only thing stopping me buying one right now) Sep 30 11:30:54 the problem is still there Sep 30 11:31:00 it's just less severe Sep 30 11:31:18 rwhitby: there you ahd your answer - i had understood that is was fixed? Sep 30 11:31:44 as soon as i have a wl-500gP, i will work on fixing this again Sep 30 11:38:08 Bartman007: pong Sep 30 11:42:56 Kaloz: if it's about Bartman007's ping from last night - then it was about the state of the wiki Sep 30 11:43:24 i see Sep 30 11:45:14 Kaloz: the wiki is unstable, responds with at lot of error messages and several pages which are un-editable despite that they should be open for editing Sep 30 11:45:22 Is there a reason why the procps package doesn't use update-alternatives to switch 'free' and 'top' from busybox to it, instead of erroring out on ipkg install? Sep 30 11:45:53 or are alternatives not used at all in openwrt? Sep 30 11:47:13 glp_home: this is why we want to switch to mediawiki Sep 30 11:47:22 glp_home: moinmoin is pita Sep 30 11:51:22 Kaloz: do you have an E.T.A on the switch to mediawiki? Sep 30 11:53:30 probably will happen when we'll changing servers Sep 30 11:55:27 Kaloz: heard you lost a disk for the server while in transit Sep 30 11:56:26 yup, and still have to get another 5, another cpu, another psu and a different raid card Sep 30 11:56:29 :p Sep 30 11:57:53 Kaloz: what raid card are you looking for? Sep 30 11:58:41 e400i (cureently it has an e200i) Sep 30 11:59:48 Kaloz: a an hp one Sep 30 12:00:00 yup, the server is a dl360 g5 Sep 30 12:02:17 Kaloz: are the things in order? Sep 30 12:02:43 UPS - I forgot to announce that WIP-Day now is officially over Sep 30 12:03:45 I've had a really good 24 hours, and will as prior write a little summary and post it on openwrt-devel :-) Sep 30 12:03:54 glp_home: yeah, just it's not that easy to get them here :) also, it's quite some money, as the box takes 2.5" sas disks Sep 30 12:05:14 Kaloz: or the things are soemwhere in transit ;-) Sep 30 12:05:52 well, the distributor said "3-4 weeks" :p Sep 30 12:08:24 Kaloz: I'll write the aspect of the new server + switch to mediawiki into the summary - so that people know what's going on and why they should slow their horses down fro a few days Sep 30 12:09:28 nah, it's not needed to slow down.. just accep the fact that moinmoin will go Sep 30 12:09:36 but they have to live with it for some time, still Sep 30 12:13:40 Kaloz: i'll just mention, so that people know why things are like they are :) Sep 30 12:14:02 fine, just don't say "few days" :) Sep 30 12:15:21 Kaloz: it's all about how you understand "few days" :P Sep 30 12:19:31 :P Sep 30 12:30:11 Kaloz: ttyl - I have a few things to attend to (like grocery shopping) Sep 30 14:57:18 hi Sep 30 14:57:28 witchdoc? Sep 30 18:16:04 short question: why does http://downloads.openwrt.org/kamikaze/7.06/ixp4xx-2.6/md5sums mention a openwrt-nslu2-2.6-squashfs.bin while there's no such file? Sep 30 18:45:34 <{Nico}> bwalle: it was erroneous and has been removed after release Sep 30 19:07:01 Is there anyone here who can check code in? Can I convince you to fix a bug in diag.c? As I posted on the mailing list yesterday, one more test needs to be added to an "if" so that my router (Motorola WR850G version 2) is correctly identified. Sep 30 19:10:10 {Nico}: thanks for the answer Sep 30 19:17:32 <{Nico}> bwalle: np Sep 30 19:29:29 olli * r9079 /packages/net/ctorrent/Makefile: ctorrent: make use of g++-uc Sep 30 19:33:02 I've added the diag.c problem and proposed fix to https://dev.openwrt.org/ticket/1936 Sep 30 19:34:12 {Nico}, isn't CXX the right flag for ctorrent? Sep 30 19:36:09 <{Nico}> forum2006_: let me check Sep 30 19:37:16 now it links against libstdc++ Sep 30 19:38:27 <{Nico}> forum2006_: try CXX="g++-uc" & CXXFLAGS="$$$$CXXFLAGS -fno-rtti" and remove CPPFLAGS & LIBS Sep 30 19:38:50 <{Nico}> it will use uClibc++ wrapper Sep 30 19:39:35 -CXXFLAGS="$$$$CXX_CFLAGS -fno-rtti" \ Sep 30 19:39:37 +CXXFLAGS="$$$$CXXFLAGS -fno-rtti" \ Sep 30 19:39:39 ah Sep 30 19:40:19 <{Nico}> wrong, i think it is caused by the default Build/Compile (like the other time) Sep 30 19:40:42 <{Nico}> but you can using the wrapper is Right Way To Do It (tm) Sep 30 19:41:41 still libstdc++ Sep 30 19:41:49 hmm Sep 30 19:42:26 the other time .. do you remeber the package? Sep 30 19:43:09 ah got it Sep 30 19:43:11 <{Nico}> forum2006_: http://pastebin.com/m53eb61d1 Sep 30 19:45:10 :) Sep 30 19:46:30 {Nico}, g++-uc is just a wrapper? Sep 30 19:48:03 olli * r9080 /packages/net/ctorrent/Makefile: Sep 30 19:48:03 ctorrent: Sep 30 19:48:03 * Add libtool fixes Sep 30 19:48:03 * Use the g++-uc wrapper the right way (thanks nico) Sep 30 19:51:44 <{Nico}> forum2006_: yep, look at $(STAGING_DIR)//usr/bin/g++-uc Sep 30 19:52:05 <{Nico}> it will call g++ with the appropriate options to link against uClibc++ only Sep 30 19:52:17 cool Sep 30 19:53:30 staging_dir_mips/usr/bin/g++-uc heavy script. you must be a real guru :) Sep 30 19:56:35 <{Nico}> i'm not, it's provided by the uClibc++ upstream package ;) Sep 30 19:57:07 Oh Sep 30 19:57:22 * nbd uploads 7.09 Sep 30 19:57:25 <{Nico}> i wish i found it earlier, instead of those crappy CPPFLAGS/CXXFLAGS/LDFLAGS combinations Sep 30 19:58:02 nbd, heh Sep 30 19:58:38 <{Nico}> nbd: i have a b43 module (old bcm43xx-mac80211) building fine here Sep 30 19:58:39 nbd: hurry, september is almost over Sep 30 19:58:54 <{Nico}> it needs some testing now Sep 30 19:59:19 nbd, anyway to upload a full package repo for broadcom 2.4 and atheros 2.6? Sep 30 19:59:35 forum2006: no need to. i got the packages build for all architectures Sep 30 20:00:08 nbd, with revision of /packages? Sep 30 20:00:13 s/with/which/ Sep 30 20:00:30 yesterday's Sep 30 20:00:32 iirc Sep 30 20:00:45 Ok Sep 30 20:04:03 nbd, so packages should be r9045? Sep 30 20:04:22 or 9073? Sep 30 20:05:06 9073 Sep 30 20:05:52 very good. hopefully stops the unofficial repos (including mine) Sep 30 20:08:13 :) Sep 30 20:09:24 nbd, do you also upload ib and sdk for i686? Sep 30 20:09:36 will do that later Sep 30 20:09:44 cool :) Sep 30 20:09:50 i need to build that stuff first Sep 30 20:10:09 yeah, no worries... Sep 30 21:13:15 nbd * r9081 /packages/net/ntpclient/files/ntpclient.hotplug: use ps instead of ps x in the ntpclient hotplug script - busybox doesn't process the x Sep 30 21:13:35 nbd * r9082 /packages/net/ntpclient/Makefile: bump ntpclient version number Sep 30 21:29:57 nbd * r9083 /trunk/package/base-files/Makefile: fix path to the snapshot packages (snapshot build/upload needs to be fixed as well) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 01 02:59:56 2007