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Sep 10 03:30:26 <johnrw> warning: `smbd' uses 32-bit capabilities (legacy support in use)
Sep 10 03:36:17 <frogonwheels> Anybody know where I could reliably get /usr/share/zoneinfo/  to put into a package?
Sep 10 03:37:54 <sn9> ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/
Sep 10 03:38:05 <frogonwheels> sn9:  thanks.
Sep 10 03:38:10 <frogonwheels> I really should have googled b4 asking.
Sep 10 03:38:12 <frogonwheels> :|
Sep 10 03:38:40 <sn9> i simply looked in /usr/share/doc/tzdata/copyright
Sep 10 03:38:51 <frogonwheels> ah.. well waddya know
Sep 10 03:57:11 <sn9> on the wrt350n v1 under 2.6, ethernet does not work, wifi does not work, AND usb does not work
Sep 10 04:02:45 <sn9> the wifi is understandable, the ethernet is probably some stupid mistake, but there is no excuse for the usb
Sep 10 04:03:43 <rwhitby> frogonwheels: http://repo.or.cz/w/nslu2-linux/optware.git?a=blob;f=make/tz.mk;h=3b4ab616d6039ff3bb370f8e07fd4e3a06ef456b;hb=HEAD
Sep 10 04:03:51 <rwhitby> (for tzdata packaging)
Sep 10 04:04:22 <rwhitby> (though that's from optware, not openwrt)
Sep 10 04:06:42 <frogonwheels> yeah - problem is I think it'll need to be broken up much more than it is.
Sep 10 04:06:56 <frogonwheels> the idea of optware is that it is all on a mounted drive.
Sep 10 04:07:32 <frogonwheels> (I need zoneinfo for timezones in Asterisk voicemail)
Sep 10 04:08:09 <frogonwheels> .. and it's about 1.8 Meg.. so need to break it up.
Sep 10 04:09:10 <frogonwheels> hm.. I could tarball it up - and only extract zones required!
Sep 10 04:09:40 <frogonwheels> 197k is better
Sep 10 04:24:25 <rwhitby> frogonwheels: OE does a minimal tzdata which just has one city per timezone, and then full ones for each region of the world
Sep 10 04:25:00 <rwhitby> http://git.openembedded.net/?p=org.openembedded.dev.git;a=blob;f=packages/tzdata/tzdata_2007k.bb;h=c4a2adee1903a501feed3dc0951747797972a7ad;hb=HEAD
Sep 10 04:25:24 <rwhitby> See the FILES_${PN} for the minimal list of entries
Sep 10 04:25:31 <rwhitby> (at the end of that file)
Sep 10 04:28:23 <frogonwheels> hm.. ok
Sep 10 04:30:05 <frogonwheels> hah. that's funny - the one State capital in Australia they missed was Perth.
Sep 10 04:30:16 <frogonwheels> .. which is where I am :)
Sep 10 04:30:45 <frogonwheels> - but that seems like a reasonable model
Sep 10 04:31:55 <frogonwheels> only problem is making sure that we don't have the same file in two packages.
Sep 10 05:08:58 <rwhitby> frogonwheels: I think Perth shares a timezone with some other city in Asia
Sep 10 05:09:09 <rwhitby> if it doesn't, I can add it to OE ;-)
Sep 10 05:09:15 <rwhitby> (I had to add Adelaide)
Sep 10 05:10:27 <sn9> it only "shares a timezone" in zoneinfo if it has always been in the same timezone throughout the history of timezones
Sep 10 05:10:41 <rwhitby> ah, yes. that's true.
Sep 10 05:13:08 <frogonwheels> and given that WA has only had DST the last few years as a trial, it's probably not correct.
Sep 10 05:14:23 <sn9> there is a mailing list to which to report such things
Sep 10 05:15:05 <frogonwheels> sn9: was more discussing it because I should make timezone packages for openwrt ..
Sep 10 05:15:15 <frogonwheels> they are required by Asterisk voicemail
Sep 10 05:15:37 <frogonwheels> ..well for asterisk Time reporting - which is needed by voicemail
Sep 10 05:16:21 <sn9> heh, the sipura stuff uses the non-zoneinfo timezone defs that openwrt uses
Sep 10 05:16:22 <rwhitby> sn9: tzdata has Perth in it - the question is whether to put it in the minimal subset package
Sep 10 05:17:05 <frogonwheels> yeah - we were looking at openembedded  - they have a 'minimal' timezones packages
Sep 10 05:17:10 <frogonwheels> s/s//
Sep 10 05:17:34 <rwhitby> ... which will soon include Perth in it ;-)
Sep 10 05:17:41 <frogonwheels> :)
Sep 10 05:55:07 <rwhitby> frogonwheels: http://git.openembedded.net/?p=org.openembedded.dev.git;a=commit;h=11f988576d63fc3a82c193534a5cfc11d8f1d37e
Sep 10 05:59:46 <frogonwheels> lol - love the comment
Sep 10 06:00:50 <rwhitby> From http://www.virtualoceania.net/australia/states/westernaustralia.shtml: "The state is approximately 5 times the size of Texas and after the Sakha Republic in Russia, the second largest subnational entity (statoid) in the world."
Sep 10 06:01:45 <sn9> how many alaskas is that?
Sep 10 06:05:44 <frogonwheels> enough..   "he capital city Perth is one of the most isolated metropolitan areas on Earth. The nearest city to Perth with a population over 1 million is Adelaide in South Australia, which is 2,104 kilometres (1,307 mi) away"
Sep 10 06:07:06 <sn9> what about half a million?
Sep 10 06:10:18 <rwhitby> same distance
Sep 10 06:13:15 <rwhitby> in fact, the closest city is only 75000 people
Sep 10 06:13:46 <rwhitby> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Australia_by_population
Sep 10 09:15:16 <frogonwheels> omg what happened to xmail!?
Sep 10 09:15:57 <frogonwheels> ah.. relocated.
Sep 10 09:32:53 <frogonwheels> oh.. awkward.  trying to make a timezone package.. and it needs 2 downloads.
Sep 10 09:33:06 <frogonwheels> - and it's not really designed for 2 downloads :(
Sep 10 09:33:13 <frogonwheels> - the build system, that is.
Sep 10 09:35:59 <{Nico}> frogonwheels: you can look at trunk/package/acx/Makefile to see how it's actually done
Sep 10 09:36:58 <sn9> {Nico}: hi
Sep 10 09:37:06 <{Nico}> 'lo
Sep 10 09:37:51 <sn9> i've been trying to get tg3 to work on brcm47xx
Sep 10 09:37:59 <sn9> not much luck
Sep 10 09:38:54 <sn9> ideas?
Sep 10 09:39:20 <frogonwheels> thanks {Nico}
Sep 10 09:40:27 <{Nico}> sn9: tg3 as in Tigon3?
Sep 10 09:40:53 <nbd> frogonwheels: the build system can handle two downloads just fine
Sep 10 09:40:57 <sn9> yes, wrt350n v1
Sep 10 09:41:14 <frogonwheels> ok - I just need to work out how.
Sep 10 09:41:23 <nbd> frogonwheels: take a look at the mac80211 package
Sep 10 09:41:56 <frogonwheels> ah - that looks nicer
Sep 10 09:43:06 <frogonwheels> nbd: can I specify 2 urls?
Sep 10 09:43:18 <frogonwheels> the main one seems only to have the latest.
Sep 10 09:43:26 <nbd> you add one Download/* section for each file
Sep 10 09:43:40 <frogonwheels> yeah -I got that.
Sep 10 09:43:51 <frogonwheels> I mean 2 different urls for the one file
Sep 10 09:43:54 <frogonwheels> (or for each)
Sep 10 09:44:10 <nbd> yeah
Sep 10 09:44:13 <{Nico}> oh, didn't notice we had that already
Sep 10 09:44:23 <frogonwheels> I guess they end up getting put on the openwrt cache anyway..
Sep 10 09:44:24 <nbd> actually PKG_SOURCE_URL uses a Download/ template internally
Sep 10 09:44:27 <nbd> it's just a wrapper
Sep 10 09:44:28 <nbd> now
Sep 10 09:44:48 <{Nico}> i'll update others packages with clumsy workarounds then
Sep 10 09:45:06 <nbd> so everything in terms of downloads that can be done with variables on the top can be done with Download templates as well
Sep 10 09:45:06 <frogonwheels> nbd: I assume if I'm compiling something that runs only on the host system, I use host-build.mk ??
Sep 10 09:45:26 <nbd> at the moment that's not supported for extra packages
Sep 10 09:45:32 <nbd> i'll sort it out when i have time
Sep 10 09:45:48 <frogonwheels> nbd, you mean host-build?
Sep 10 09:45:57 <nbd> yup
Sep 10 09:46:01 <frogonwheels> oh. damn
Sep 10 09:46:02 <sn9> {Nico}: clumsy workarounds for tg3?
Sep 10 09:46:43 <{Nico}> sn9: no, i was referring to the Download/ template
Sep 10 09:46:53 <{Nico}> no idea about tg3
Sep 10 11:47:17 <xMff> johnrw: thanks for your feedback
Sep 10 11:48:40 <frogonwheels> nbd: The tarballs I have don't have any directories, how do I tell the unpack to cd to the PKG_BUILD_DIR, rather than it's parent
Sep 10 11:48:52 <nbd> put some commands in Build/Prepare
Sep 10 11:49:35 <frogonwheels> you mean to unpack?
Sep 10 11:50:07 <nbd> yes
Sep 10 11:53:05 <frogonwheels> can I use tar -xzf ?
Sep 10 11:53:14 <frogonwheels> or zcat  | tar
Sep 10 11:57:32 <frogonwheels> nbd, do you use vim as your editor?
Sep 10 11:57:53 <nbd> yes
Sep 10 11:58:09 <frogonwheels> nbd: do you know about 'list' and 'listchars' ?
Sep 10 11:58:19 <nbd> no
Sep 10 11:58:45 <frogonwheels> :set list listchars=eol:?,tab:?·,trail:§,extends:»,precedes:«
Sep 10 11:59:18 <frogonwheels> try that - it shows you what your whitespace is made of :)
Sep 10 12:11:30 <frogonwheels> got it, thanks nbd
Sep 10 12:13:47 <xMff> can anybody apply this patch? http://jow.artofcoding.de/samba3-lfs-support.patch
Sep 10 12:14:05 <xMff> Looks like it enables files greater then 2gb in Samba3
Sep 10 12:17:41 <blogic> xMff: ok
Sep 10 12:19:45 <xMff> blogic: thanks
Sep 10 12:20:57 <blogic> xMff: testing ...
Sep 10 12:21:02 <xMff> k
Sep 10 12:23:41 <blogic> hmmz costs 56bytes in the binary :)
Sep 10 12:24:21 <xMff> oh no far too big then :P
Sep 10 12:24:48 <johnrw> g'morning folks
Sep 10 12:24:55 <CIA-12> blogic * r12564 /packages/net/samba3/Makefile: adds support for files > 2GB to samba3
Sep 10 12:25:37 <johnrw> xMff: thank You!
Sep 10 12:27:03 <xMff> johnrw: np, another opportunity to learn new stuff for me ;)
Sep 10 12:28:59 <johnrw> I did wind up copying the same fille to an external drive, which I plugged into the target machine... and did a cmdline copy to. It worked... so it is not in the filesystem driver... in case you wondered.. :)
Sep 10 12:29:33 <xMff> ok
Sep 10 12:31:42 <johnrw> Ya know... I think it would be better to have tulip as module... as I have more control that way. The kernel grabbed the card... assigned eth0 to a tulip port... and I eventually figured out which one it was.
Sep 10 12:36:44 <johnrw> I use the 3com for upstream, and tulip for essentially a switch which I have not really finished. I should have just bought a cheap switch and a second card. Live and learn for me too
Sep 10 12:41:37 <johnrw> So... what do you want to do about the 4gb limit? Any ideas there?
Sep 10 12:41:41 <johnrw> :)
Sep 10 12:42:19 <blogic> johnrw: lfs in uclibc
Sep 10 12:42:20 <blogic> :)
Sep 10 12:42:25 <blogic> you are using x86 ?
Sep 10 12:42:30 <johnrw> yes
Sep 10 12:42:42 <blogic> ask {Nico} about his multi libc patch
Sep 10 12:43:02 <blogic> uclibc has no large file support enabled per default
Sep 10 12:43:16 <johnrw> aha!
Sep 10 12:43:20 <blogic> you can enable it somewhere in "make menuconfig"
Sep 10 12:43:25 <blogic> dunno if it works
Sep 10 12:43:35 <blogic> might break build, haven't tried it in ages
Sep 10 12:44:25 <johnrw> Well that would be a deal breaker... or a blocker bug if you ask me...
Sep 10 12:47:20 <xMff> johnrw: unfortunately the lvm partition hasn't survived the compilation yesterday, have to setup another buildroot
Sep 10 12:48:29 <johnrw> blogic... Thanks for that information... (keeps me and xMff from chasing our tails...)
Sep 10 12:49:03 <blogic> johnrw: sure
Sep 10 12:49:57 <johnrw> xMff: Well that plain sucks... Ya know... I think this is not an air conditioner... but a freakin heat pump... now I know I am gonna move out of this apt...
Sep 10 12:50:15 <johnrw> So it was a bad hardware day... after all
Sep 10 12:50:22 <johnrw> :)
Sep 10 12:51:21 <johnrw> You didn't lose your patch I hope!
Sep 10 12:54:56 <johnrw> Might there be a way of setting the Cross compiler  to use the native build tools... in the x86 case?
Sep 10 12:55:58 <xMff> johnrw: patch is now upstream, so nothing lost et all
Sep 10 12:56:46 <johnrw> I think the cross compiler is way cool and all... but in the x86 case where I am building on the box I intend to use it on... it's like alot of extra work :)
Sep 10 12:56:49 <johnrw> cool
Sep 10 13:00:10 <johnrw> blogic... Do you know if/are most of the packages setup to honor the uclib filesize limit? Ie is it hardcoded in them too.
Sep 10 13:00:27 <blogic> johnrw: sureno idea
Sep 10 13:00:32 <blogic> no idea
Sep 10 13:01:30 <johnrw> Ok... well thanks for the info.
Sep 10 13:02:08 <xMff> johnrw: per default they do 32bit addressing i think
Sep 10 13:02:19 <xMff> johnrw: so they hit the 2gb barrier
Sep 10 13:02:41 <xMff> johnrw: if you compile them with lfs support they will hit the uclibc limit
Sep 10 13:02:47 <xMff> but I don't think it's hardcoded
Sep 10 13:02:51 <xMff> would make no sense
Sep 10 13:04:07 <johnrw> xMff: Well on x86... there is no reason to live with those limits... I am gonna do some googling today. :)
Sep 10 13:06:01 <xMff> johnrw: there was an option for global cflags
Sep 10 13:06:22 <xMff> johnrw: ... in maenuconf, you could just put the defines there and recompile
Sep 10 13:06:48 <xMff> at least that is the thing I would try
Sep 10 13:10:38 <johnrw> Damn... I knew I should have given the guy the 35 he wanted for that piece of crap p3... at least I would have had a second build machine. Well I am sure blogic knows from experience that there is a problem with uclib... I think he mentioned it before... back when I was doing the big build.
Sep 10 13:42:08 <aoz> johnrw: what's your rough locale?
Sep 10 13:42:29 <johnrw> new york
Sep 10 13:42:39 <johnrw> New jersey actually
Sep 10 13:43:00 <aoz> if you were midwest, I'd have worked out a deal to get you one of my spare 1.2GHz Celerons
Sep 10 13:43:29 <johnrw> aaah... thanks...
Sep 10 13:43:51 <aoz> my dev box is a dual P-III, but it's really just too small
Sep 10 13:44:06 <aoz> looking for the budget to build a proper dev system @ home
Sep 10 13:45:26 <johnrw> I think I am gonna have my wife buy that guy's machine... It's across town... but now I have to check into uclib... and see how come in this day and age... it is still 32 bit.
Sep 10 13:46:26 <johnrw> Throws a big monkey wrench into my plans... or aspirations really.
Sep 10 13:47:27 <aoz> is it really?
Sep 10 13:50:07 <johnrw> yes... I was trying to make a nas/terminal server kind of box using openwrt. Well eventually. :)
Sep 10 13:53:12 <aoz> t3h bite
Sep 10 13:57:46 <johnrw> aoz, come again?
Sep 10 16:11:10 <x-alina> blogic: hast Du Dir schon wegen der Firewall Gedanken gemacht, also wie sich da am besten init.d-Scripte mit eintragen koennen sollen?
Sep 10 16:15:08 <blogic> nö
Sep 10 16:55:10 <danage> CyrusFF: do you write luci?
Sep 10 16:55:23 <x-alina> blogic: Koennen wir mal ne Loesung dafuer suchen?
Sep 10 16:55:37 <CyrusFF> danage: yes i am one of the authors
Sep 10 16:55:41 <blogic> x-alina: no time atm
Sep 10 16:55:54 <danage> CyrusFF: i tried it today. it's awesome. great work
Sep 10 16:56:08 <CyrusFF> thank you
Sep 10 16:58:27 <x-alina> blogic: :( Kann ichs denn einfach quick-and-dirty schreiben?
Sep 10 16:58:53 <blogic> x-alina: dunno if it'll make it into svn
Sep 10 17:03:25 <xMff> some ppl weren't that lucky with packages altering the firewall automatically (it's just too much like upnp)
Sep 10 17:03:55 <blogic> xMff: exactly
Sep 10 17:04:10 <blogic> hence, until we have a good idea on how to handle this .....
Sep 10 17:14:11 <CIA-12> lars * r12565 /packages/libs/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Add libogg, libvorbis and libtheora packages.
Sep 10 17:40:03 <Yanira> blogic: http://openwrt.pastebin.com/d759ed034
Sep 10 17:41:46 <Yanira> Linux OpenWrt 2.6.25.16 #1 SMP Tue Sep 9 23:39:18 CEST 2008 i586 unknown
Sep 10 17:42:16 <blogic> Yanira: i assume you already figured out whats worng ?
Sep 10 17:42:35 <blogic> because i cannot reproduce the bug
Sep 10 17:42:41 <blogic> as we discussed yesterday
Sep 10 17:42:52 <blogic> you can of course send me the same stuff on a daily basis
Sep 10 17:43:11 <Yanira> well, you said you are using 2.6.26.2
Sep 10 17:43:18 <blogic> yes
Sep 10 17:43:32 <blogic> which arch are you using ?
Sep 10 17:43:50 <Yanira> tested with kernel 2.6.25.16 on x86 and brcm47xx
Sep 10 17:53:53 <_trine> Madcap if you don’t resolve matters I’m going to write it up and publish it on this channel and let folks know what you have done.
Sep 10 18:28:27 <danage> CyrusFF: luci is not in openwrt trunk feeds? i can't find it in menuconfig
Sep 10 18:29:47 <sn9> it's in there
Sep 10 18:30:10 <danage> sn9: where
Sep 10 18:30:20 <CyrusFF> danage: follow these steps: http://luci.freifunk-halle.net/Installation
Sep 10 18:30:40 <danage> ah i see, great, thank you
Sep 10 18:30:42 <CyrusFF> first paragraph
Sep 10 19:12:59 <giovanni_h> hi
Sep 10 19:13:05 <wrt> hi
Sep 10 19:13:24 <giovanni_h> what's the kernel version in openwrt now?
Sep 10 19:13:51 <giovanni_h> that robot should be improved :)
Sep 10 19:14:29 <Bartman007> giovanni_h: which platform?
Sep 10 19:19:08 <giovanni_h> ixdp425
Sep 10 19:20:28 <Bartman007> 2.6.26 on ixp4xx
Sep 10 19:20:37 <giovanni_h> wow 2.6.26
Sep 10 19:20:43 <giovanni_h> you never stop
Sep 10 19:21:04 <sn9> the show must go on
Sep 10 19:21:15 <sn9> the shoe must go on
Sep 10 19:21:23 <sn9> the kernel must go on
Sep 10 19:21:39 <sn9> need i go on?
Sep 10 19:21:56 <giovanni_h> ok ok
Sep 10 19:21:58 <giovanni_h> :)
Sep 10 19:43:06 * Nix grins
Sep 10 19:57:55 <CIA-12> juhosg * r12566 /trunk/target/linux/generic-2.6/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [kernel] 2.6.26: add gpiommc driver
Sep 11 00:26:18 <matteo> thefonra+ switch is incompatible with the router I have
Sep 11 00:26:30 <matteo> they can't ping themselves
Sep 11 00:40:02 <sn9> could be filtered
Sep 11 00:41:17 <matteo> nope
Sep 11 00:41:28 <matteo> i can ping other machines attached to the same switch
Sep 11 00:41:46 <matteo> FON <==> router <==> avr32
Sep 11 00:42:03 <matteo> fon can't ping router, but can ping avr32
Sep 11 00:42:14 <matteo> router can't ping fon, but can ping avr32
Sep 11 00:42:19 <matteo> avr32 can ping both
Sep 11 00:58:27 <sn9> hmm
Sep 11 00:58:58 <sn9> are all three running openwrt?
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