**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 10 02:59:57 2009 Feb 10 16:25:21 florian * r14463 /packages/net/lighttpd/Makefile: [package] correct lighttpd dependencies against libsqlite3 and libxml2, patch from Roberto Riggio Feb 10 16:55:43 mb * r14464 /trunk/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Deprecate the old SPI-GPIO driver. Feb 10 17:17:51 what's up with the SVN? Feb 10 17:18:03 It doesn't complete the transmitting file data sequence Feb 10 17:18:16 But the commit appeared on the list. Feb 10 17:18:21 urghhs Feb 10 17:18:22 But not in CIA-31 bot Feb 10 17:18:31 thats no good Feb 10 17:18:41 * mb__ hides Feb 10 17:19:16 <[florian]> svn works fine, the post-commit hook is just taking some time Feb 10 17:19:18 * mb__ broke the internet Feb 10 17:20:13 haha Feb 10 17:20:19 <[florian]> which is usual when the server is overloaded Feb 10 17:20:28 ah it finished now :) Feb 10 17:20:33 mb__: know the southpark episode, where the inet dies and they need to reset the big linksys ? Feb 10 17:20:53 blogic: I know every southpark episode and that one is awesome :D Feb 10 17:20:56 <[florian]> eh eh, I love that one ;) Feb 10 17:21:25 ;D Feb 10 17:22:30 mb * r14465 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Port SPI-GPIO driver from 2.6.29-rc4 Feb 10 17:23:05 ah there we go :) Feb 10 17:35:50 juhosg: I see your post on ath9k-devel list - if you get a chance, could you detail how to setup build of OpenWRT with the symbols for ath9k and such as needed? I will put on the forum howto. Thank you Feb 10 17:41:36 http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/166179/ Feb 10 17:52:47 florian * r14467 /trunk/package/kexec-tools/Makefile: [package] allow kexec-tools to compile with ccache enabled, patch from Luca Sinigaglia Feb 10 17:54:19 florian * r14468 /trunk/target/linux/brcm63xx/config-2.6.27: [brcm63xx] do not overried 802.1q and PHY kernel configuration symbols Feb 10 18:18:49 can someone point me in the right direction to fix this symptom? I am using a USB sound card with OSS kernel drivers, and I see a lot of this messages in the syslog: "user.debug kernel: usbin_completed: descriptor not restarted (usb_submit_urb: 0)" Feb 10 18:21:10 I think it's leading to my crond stopping, which messes up everything. That's why I want to investigate it Feb 10 18:29:16 juhosg * r14469 /trunk/target/linux/ar71xx/ (config-2.6.27 config-2.6.28): [ar71xx] sync kernel configs Feb 10 18:33:55 RoundSparrow: if you want kernel symbols: make menuconfig -> Global build settings -> Compile the kernel with symbol table information Feb 10 18:36:29 and this will include all the modules such as stuff in compat-wireless? Feb 10 18:37:47 yes Feb 10 18:39:02 ok, I will try. Thanks for looking at the station mode, the ath9k developers don't seem to want to test this driver very hard. I run compat-wirleess on a dekstop ubuntu system and it has all kinds of performance issues Feb 10 18:40:03 I'm not trying to be critical of their work - more of their communications on the matter. I will poke around and see if someone has done work on how to report and perform interoperability tests with linux wireless. Feb 10 18:44:58 i guess they have enough work already, and it is not possible to always test all changes individually Feb 10 18:47:46 juhosg: well I was encouraged by the ath9k developers decision to list the AP's on the wiki page. Perhaps starting a new wiki page devoted to basic testing reporting is something I can initiate. Feb 10 18:48:28 As an aside though, I suspect a d-link employee abuse that damn wiki after listing AP's. He added a bunch of d-link Ap's that use ubicom chipset that have no chance of running Linux. i think he entirely miss the point of why they were listed. Feb 10 18:49:02 Ubicom actively advertises one of their advantages is that they are 'un-Linux', so not exactly open source friendly company. Feb 10 18:55:59 * juhosg don't want to say anything about Ubicom ... Feb 10 19:02:06 RoundSparrow: http://www.mail-archive.com/uclinux-dev@uclinux.org/msg05893.html Feb 10 19:07:07 wow, that is exciting Feb 10 19:10:21 Look, I have gone on record saying that it appears to me that Zyxel had demonstrated on the 550N /460N that Linux is pretty far behind the proprietary ZyOS and Ubicom has too. I'm into Linux for the freedom and long-term maintainability aspects (I think it advances interoperability which is sorely needed in WiFi right now). Ubicom routers are consistently well reviewed by people who use them. I own a couple and they d Feb 10 19:13:31 Not to say people aren't actively working on Linux performance and tuning... I know they are. But my reasons for spending so much time on OpenWRT is to try to address what I see as a general disaster of real-world wifi interoperability. I think there was a couple years where broadcom G dominated... but that has passed, and now with the mix of N routers out there - it is harder to go to your typical coffee shop and get Feb 10 19:16:30 so has ubicom had any contact with openwrt - i would consider sending them an email inviting them to join the developer mailing list and to submit patches for their architecture Feb 10 19:37:24 RoundSparrow: i agree with the interoperability part, but i think the profit is more important for the vendors as usual Feb 10 19:42:11 juhosg: i agree money is a complex matter in the marketplace. It is the age-old computer industry issue of customer perception of what it is they are paying for. A router is a piece of hardware, but so many of the issues in them come from the software side. People just don't understand this. And frankly, the Linksys WRT54G and broadcom binary-only got a lot of Linux praise - but I think people just don't see the cri Feb 10 19:45:55 And the consumer router marketplace is very confusing. So many brands and models, they change so rapidly, often just over colors of the plastic box. I think some of that waste will come to the end with the worldwide economic decline. The rapid change of wireless technology made routers semi-disposable. It has driven the cost of the products way down, but the software quality really suffered. Feb 10 19:47:33 juhosg: Did you see my mention that MSI may have an AP81 in Hungry? Feb 10 19:51:13 RoundSparrow: yes, i saw it in some web-shops here Feb 10 19:52:26 i don't think they sell it in the USA. Nobody has confirmed the chips inside, I see only a reference here: to ar9132 MSI RG300N Feb 10 19:52:36 http://www.cauti.ro/calculatoare_MSI RG300N si_software/echipamente_wireless/access_point_si_routere_wireless/compara_preturi--MSI~~RG300N_Wireless_N_Router_802_11b_g_Draft_N.html Feb 10 19:55:10 better link. seems unusual for vendor to advertise the chipset of router, they typically not do this here in USA. I wish they would :) http://www.erp-systems.hu/index.php?page=shop.product_details&category_id=26&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=1010&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1&vmcchk=1 Feb 10 19:56:39 the price is around USD 75 here, but i don't really want to buy one just to verify this :) Feb 10 19:59:27 as not sold in USA, no way to check FCC required photographs. Not sure if EU requires similar Feb 10 19:59:27 and unfortunately, i have not found any firmware image for it yet Feb 10 19:59:43 yes a couple customers complain of this Feb 10 20:01:51 On feburary 5 2009 a customer asks for firmware download, but not provided yet. http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?topic=123953.0 Feb 10 20:04:40 yup, i saw this Feb 10 20:18:51 RoundSparrow: any success with the TL-WR941ND? Feb 10 20:24:46 no, I honestly have a lot more to learn here. I can review what seems to be my best attempt Feb 10 20:25:50 Getting involved in OpenWRT is my 'back to university' investment ;) Feb 10 20:27:24 so this boots the kernel... so the fixsum program Lark made works. cat /home/TPLink1/lark/header /home/TPLink1/lark/kernel openwrt-ar71xx-root.squashfs > tplinktry11.bin Feb 10 20:28:19 you are using this header: http://download.lark.net.cn/wr941n/hack/header.bin ? Feb 10 20:28:28 yes Feb 10 20:28:47 this says 'starting kernel': cat /home/TPLink1/lark/header.bin openwrt-ar71xx-vmlinux-initramfs.gz > tplinktry9.bin Feb 10 20:28:55 but not a single message comes after that Feb 10 20:30:07 so maybe is something like hanging on the serial console and never posting to it. so I review a bit the dmesgs on stock firmwre with serial driver - it is modified. And they do this unusual 9600 u-boot that others do not. But I suspect this is not the issue. I suspect some additional check or I am just a fool and not even putting in a valid kernel? Feb 10 20:30:56 you should try to change the value at 0x78 from 0x80275000 to 0x80060000 in the header.bin Feb 10 20:31:29 ok. does this impact where in memory I tftpboot? Feb 10 20:32:25 ok, going to router now Feb 10 20:32:43 nope, i assume this is the entry point where the u-boot jumps after decompressing the kernel Feb 10 20:36:15 the tp-link has usb pads, so if we get it working perhaps I'll see if I can figure out what is missing from the Planex Feb 10 20:38:05 noz: ping Feb 10 20:38:12 noz: ping Feb 10 20:38:35 johnrw: pong Feb 10 20:38:58 hey... i think i got a AA stepping unit... Feb 10 20:39:55 mac is 00c049d60e27 Feb 10 20:40:11 Well done. Feb 10 20:40:41 so d60e27... is that close to the one the AA has? Feb 10 20:41:45 I think that one started with d6 after the 00co49... which is US Robotics... Feb 10 20:43:41 595739 is my AA one Feb 10 20:44:27 and my BA-stepping is F431-something Feb 10 20:44:56 hmmm, 59... ok... then maybe this is a BB... unit. Now I have to open it to see. Feb 10 20:45:13 So how's the usbprog coming along? Feb 10 20:47:22 that good huh... Feb 10 20:47:44 Nearly there. Had positive feedback over the w/e that it's worth fixing, so I'll start trying stuff. Feb 10 20:48:23 Did Sauter ever take it seriously...? Feb 10 20:49:21 ya know... jump in and try and help... or is it a "out of sight, out of mind" kinda thing? Feb 10 20:49:47 I haven't heard from him yet, but haven't given up hope. Feb 10 20:49:50 juhosg: same result Feb 10 20:50:01 (failure, no message after starting kernel) Feb 10 20:50:20 did ya notice the rtc driver jose checked in? Feb 10 20:51:26 Just before he went on vacation... he said he was having problems with it but... "it was working" on an earlier kernel. Feb 10 20:51:43 strange, anyone running RC2 has problems reaching thepiratebay.org? Feb 10 20:52:01 looks like it works from everywhere else, but not from my wrt Feb 10 20:52:12 RoundSparrow: :/ Feb 10 20:52:23 fish_: try sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_ecn=0 Feb 10 20:52:40 the tcp handshake works, the clients sends the GET but i never get back anything.. Feb 10 20:53:15 xMff: still the same.. Feb 10 20:53:44 maybe its my provider, i cant be sure for that, buts the first time i stumbled about this is after upgrading to RC2 Feb 10 20:54:22 fish_: well mtu fix is off by default in rc2, maybe it's that? Feb 10 20:54:23 i just pinged it... Feb 10 20:54:51 johnrw: No. I'll have a look when I can. Looks like most of the USR8200 platform is done, once that's working. Feb 10 20:55:01 juhosg: did you dissasemble that tiny header code? Feb 10 20:55:09 juhosg: besides the jump, what does it do? Feb 10 20:55:41 noz: if you can get your hands on a linksys wusb54gV2 Feb 10 20:55:45 xMff: looks like it works from the openwrt but not from the lan Feb 10 20:56:14 very, very strange Feb 10 20:56:18 fish_: try the mtu fix please Feb 10 20:56:19 juhosg: in their original firmware it says vmware.bin and in openwrt I'm building it is without .bin http://openwrt.pastebin.com/f74dab33e - maybe they have a hard-coded ??? ? Feb 10 20:56:36 or possibly... a Linksys Wusb54ag... the kernel p54 Intersil driver works. Feb 10 20:57:01 xMff: for what? Feb 10 20:57:25 xMff: its on 1500 for everything except ppp0 (where it is 1492) and lo... Feb 10 20:57:32 looks correctly Feb 10 20:57:41 fish_: in /etc/config/firewall , section forwarding (lan->wan) add option mtu_fix 1 Feb 10 20:57:50 and restart the firewall Feb 10 20:58:15 fish_: that was default on before rc2 and is now disabled by default Feb 10 20:58:17 noz: so you can just plug it in a usb port... and fire up an master mode AP capable wireless...(sure other usb devices work... but not in master mode) Feb 10 20:58:20 i'll try Feb 10 20:58:40 yep, that fixed it Feb 10 20:58:51 wtf does it? ;) Feb 10 20:58:52 blame your isp :) Feb 10 20:58:56 RoundSparrow: well, i have looked into the u-boot binary Feb 10 20:59:18 fish_: http://security.maruhn.com/iptables-tutorial/x10386.html Feb 10 20:59:38 RoundSparrow: the vmlinux.bin should not matter Feb 10 20:59:49 johnrw: I'll try the miniPCI connector next, once I get the thing un-bricked, and then I'll probably be encouraged by blogic and Kaloz to try to populate the extra RAM and Flash chip pads! :) Feb 10 21:00:32 juhosg: has anyone ever made a openwrt kernel that writes to serial REALLY early (probably has to make hardware assumptions), so we can see that it is at least starting ;) Feb 10 21:00:43 xMff: thanks, greate Feb 10 21:00:44 noz: i've been picking them up on ebay for 'bout $15 US but yeah... minipci would be nice... Feb 10 21:01:03 xMff: but that should mentioned very large in the release notes ;) Feb 10 21:01:11 fish_: it will be default on in the final again, disabling this was a mistake Feb 10 21:01:24 oh ok Feb 10 21:01:32 fish_: it's on the openwrt.org frontpage ;) Feb 10 21:01:42 oops ;) Feb 10 21:01:45 johnrw: I'm not relying on it for my wireless, so I don't need the quick fix. It's a good solution though. Feb 10 21:03:06 RoundSparrow: Yes - on the WRTSL54, I was debugging early kernel startup, but that platform has the CFE, where the serial console is already configured, so it was "cheating" a bit Feb 10 21:03:09 RoundSparrow: it is not too hard to patch the kernel to do this Feb 10 21:03:48 or trivial to blink a LED or something early on? Feb 10 21:04:28 noz: Only as a proof of concept... and maybe for the increased capabilities... but you said you would debrick it with a parallel adapter... Feb 10 21:04:37 RoundSparrow: Indeed - for testing you can make any assuptions you like, and just write direct to memory, if you know where. Feb 10 21:05:26 johnrw: I'd have to build that first, and I think it would be quicker to fix the USBprog, once I get round to it Feb 10 21:06:17 I really lack the skills to implement that, but that hasn't stopped me before Feb 10 21:06:38 juhosg: ok, so what if I appended u-boot where the kernel should be :) Could I trick u-boot into booting u-boot? Feb 10 21:07:00 that would give me some serial output that woudl at least demonstrate to me that it is starting _something_ :) Feb 10 21:08:18 imho, this won't work, because the u-boot is linked to 0xbf000000 Feb 10 21:09:18 johosg: so yo uknow these ap81's, if I want to turn on wlan LED is that trivial? code ;) ? Feb 10 21:09:32 I"ll go reading on how to get into the kernel very early to add it Feb 10 21:09:36 RoundSparrow: if you know where the LEDs are mapped (and they are memory-mapped), you can do e.g. *(char *)0xyyyyyyyy = ; Feb 10 21:12:21 noz: thanks Feb 10 21:13:43 yes, we can, but it should be done in assembly, and unfortunately i have to go sleeping immediately Feb 10 21:14:03 I appreciate your efforts so far, thank you ;) have a good night. Feb 10 21:14:12 That of course should be accompanied by a "Danger Will Robinson" warning! You really do have to make sure you know where to write to and what to write, or you might damage something Feb 10 21:15:50 ok, one more idea I'm researching... (speak up if you know)... starting kernel from within kernel ;) I have root on the 2.6.15 kernel Feb 10 21:16:58 Look at kexec. Feb 10 21:21:51 good reference on kexec on MIPS routers: http://www.nabble.com/kexec-on-mips---anyone-has-it-working--td17485898.html Feb 10 21:23:52 RoundSparrow: thanks, i will give you a patch tomorrow, if you won't find the problem in the meantime Feb 10 22:55:36 So what's the protocol for syncing in changes from packages/ to branches/packages_8.09/ ? Feb 10 22:56:05 I find myself pulling in useful fixes in packages/ to my 8.09 builds Feb 10 22:56:25 the protocol is, updates are fine as long as they're known to compile against 8.09 Feb 10 22:56:46 the split was done, because changes incompatible to 8.09 were coming into /packages Feb 10 22:57:41 fair enough, there's a few revs that I think are useful to push in to the 8.09 packages, I'll compile the list and email -devel Feb 10 22:57:51 :) Feb 10 22:58:06 kupesoft: also prepare a patch so we only need to review ;) Feb 10 22:58:23 any examples? Feb 10 22:58:31 I really like the lighttpd patch Feb 10 22:58:37 That I +1'd today :) Feb 10 22:58:50 Obviously, I'd like to see my package msmtp in 8.09 too, there were a few more, let me think Feb 10 23:00:49 I'll go through 'em with trac Feb 10 23:07:34 Hmm, the netcat fix in r14427 is useful. TBH, I thought there were more :( Feb 10 23:14:51 noz: guess what? It is a ixp425AB! Feb 10 23:15:19 So he wasn't lying afyer all... Feb 10 23:15:36 They did put 425's on some of those units... Feb 10 23:15:58 Interesting to see if the firmware will work... Feb 10 23:16:47 jow * r14470 /packages/lang/ruby/Makefile: [packages] Bump ruby to 1.8.6-p287, fixes several memory leaks. Thanks Michael Conrad Feb 10 23:20:56 \n Feb 10 23:21:16 \t Feb 10 23:21:24 shitty irc client... Feb 10 23:21:34 konversation... Feb 10 23:22:02 pidgin... shit too :P Feb 10 23:22:07 I like it for most things... but I miss chatzilla's multi line input window... Feb 10 23:23:13 but it(chatzilla) got to crashing too much... and konversation is rock solid... haven't had a crash in a month of almost continuous use... Feb 10 23:23:56 there must be a way of inserting a literal tab or newline in konversation...? Feb 10 23:24:16 shift + enter maybe? Feb 10 23:24:39 yeah Feb 10 23:24:44 nope Feb 10 23:25:12 ctrl-enter Feb 10 23:25:45 yeah works here too Feb 10 23:26:07 bat tab is shift + tab, ctrl + tab changes tabs Feb 10 23:26:11 confusing shit Feb 10 23:26:13 ctrl-enter just does an enter... Feb 10 23:26:51 xMff: ^ r14470 would be useful in 8.09 ;P Feb 10 23:27:01 tab is totally not available... by the desktop's keystroke hogging... Feb 10 23:27:31 so what does an ixp425 have that ixp422 does not? Feb 10 23:27:51 i saw a note somewhere about adsl features... Feb 11 00:25:38 ok... i just noticed it has a wierd 68 pin section of pads... next to the minipci pads... and on one side... they are in groups of 3... so what connector has 68 pins? Feb 11 00:27:00 another minipci? Feb 11 00:28:59 it's right next to the minipci Feb 11 00:29:09 ok... picture time... Feb 11 00:31:55 johnrw: SCSI! Feb 11 00:32:02 re: 68 pins. Feb 11 00:33:11 pcmcia does also. Feb 11 00:48:17 I vote another PCI / Cardbus Feb 11 00:59:21 http://home.comcast.net/~johnrw/usr8200-ixp425-1.jpg Feb 11 00:59:26 http://home.comcast.net/~johnrw/usr8200-ixp425-2.jpg Feb 11 00:59:30 http://home.comcast.net/~johnrw/usr8200-ixp425-3.jpg Feb 11 00:59:55 definitely cardbus/pcmcia Feb 11 01:03:04 looks like a full SCB design Feb 11 01:04:06 cardbus/pcmcia ? What were they gonna do with that? Feb 11 01:04:20 johnrw: wireless. Feb 11 01:04:42 a full scb...? what's scb... and what a full one :) Feb 11 01:05:37 johnrw: it is a mini desktop computer Feb 11 01:05:54 johnrw: overkill for a router ;) but easier on the developer Feb 11 01:06:52 the router market is all about $9 worth of parts selling for $59.99... but this is a router about downsizing a server. Feb 11 01:11:31 well I knew these things were good... but i'll keep my 64's as my primary desktop... but in my talks with the man in charge at USR... he said all that I would have to do was to finish off the power rail for minipci... but on this board... that whole section is not there... see http://home.comcast.net/~johnrw/image/M5110016.JPG Feb 11 01:12:16 the L29 inductor and the caps in the area are just not on this later rev.. Feb 11 01:13:21 heh, they downgraded from ixp425 to ixp422 on that board. Feb 11 01:15:21 Err, ./configure for this package just work find libopenssl Feb 11 01:15:27 Am I making a newbie mistake? Feb 11 01:15:57 yup... if you look at the Tolly company survey... they perform the same... Feb 11 01:15:58 s/work/won't/ Feb 11 01:16:09 mirko * r14471 /packages/Xorg/xorg/xserver/xorg-server/Makefile: fix if-target-condition Feb 11 01:16:19 kupesoft: is your finger in your ear when you run make? Feb 11 01:16:27 configure: error: "lib ssl not found!" Feb 11 01:16:30 Bartman007: on the keyboard :( Feb 11 01:17:15 Obviously libssl is in staging_dir//usr/lib Feb 11 01:18:26 kupesoft: can you pastebin the makefile? Feb 11 01:18:54 Of course, it's extremely straightforward though Feb 11 01:19:22 http://dpaste.com/119175/ Feb 11 01:19:27 The /install targets aren't ready yet, lol :P Feb 11 01:19:28 mirko * r14472 /packages/Xorg/driver/xf86-input-tslib/ (Makefile files/ files/pointercal.om_gta02): add touchscreen calibration file for Openmoko GTA02 "Freerunner" Feb 11 01:20:22 Bartman007: And here's the error -- http://dpaste.com/119177/ Feb 11 01:21:13 I think the package has bad cross-compiling support Feb 11 01:21:29 I'm gonna hack up the configure.ac, Feb 11 01:36:10 kupesoft: http://dpaste.com/119180/ Feb 11 01:36:18 line 70/71 Feb 11 01:36:39 CONFIGURE_VARS of course Feb 11 01:36:56 I was just seeing how the ./configure script figured out how to call gcc Feb 11 01:36:58 :) Feb 11 01:37:00 Thanks Feb 11 01:39:34 The package is a mess, it compiles against pthread and/or libdl if they exist, but it can't be disabled, I'm gonna fix that up Feb 11 01:40:40 kupesoft: much better version: http://dpaste.com/119182/ Feb 11 01:41:10 Bartman007: Would configure already include $LDFLAGS ? Feb 11 01:43:20 config.log says no Feb 11 01:44:34 though it doesn't really matter Feb 11 01:44:43 kupesoft: yes it does include them, that newer paste is better. Feb 11 01:45:23 Bartman007: I mean the ./configure tests don't include $CFLAGS / $LDFLAGS in calls to the compiler, though it really doesn't matter Feb 11 02:10:06 this guy next door has a vista... and it won't show the desktop... what's up with that? Feb 11 02:11:18 johnrw: syntax error on question? Feb 11 02:12:08 johnrw: 'won't show the desktop', command-line only Vista ;) ? Feb 11 02:12:27 well it's a laptop... and he left it here... but all it does is show a "dialup connection" dialog... I told him he has a virus... Feb 11 02:12:30 :) Feb 11 02:12:34 Windows Vista Command-Line only One-Application Edition Feb 11 02:12:51 (tm) Feb 11 02:12:52 I don't think so... he's a doctor... Feb 11 02:13:08 so no login prompt or such after bootup? Feb 11 02:13:24 AntiVirus 2009 is on a current rampage Feb 11 02:13:39 yes... a login prompt... Feb 11 02:13:57 he logs in... and then nothing... but a conect dialog... Feb 11 02:14:13 he can open a browser with the mouse somehow... Feb 11 02:14:34 but no start bar, desktop, right click... Feb 11 02:14:42 ...menu Feb 11 02:14:56 well it may be sophisticated (dial-up network connect prior to critical things) or screwed up. so create another login and see if systen wide or profile specific. Feb 11 02:15:26 of course he not tell you the last 'wierd' thing he did prior to this amazing change? Feb 11 02:17:09 right... he is not very forthcoming... "it just did it all by itself" Feb 11 02:17:20 of course ;) Feb 11 02:17:24 how do I get a run dialog... in vista? Feb 11 02:17:31 winkey R? Feb 11 02:17:40 isn't the usual procedure a complete reinstall? Feb 11 02:17:43 winkey E didn't work... Feb 11 02:17:58 his disks are across the atlantic Feb 11 02:18:16 he's kind of a dope Feb 11 02:18:39 he left the "Q" key over there too Feb 11 02:18:59 I priced a new keyboard at arounf $150 for it. Feb 11 02:19:32 s/arounf/around/ Feb 11 02:19:44 so how can I run explorer...? Feb 11 02:20:02 does strg alt del work? Feb 11 02:20:39 I mean to bring some window up, not to reboot Feb 11 02:20:59 task manager Feb 11 02:23:49 ctrl-alt-del brings up a login and i can login as him... but switch user only has 1 choice Feb 11 02:23:57 him Feb 11 02:24:23 well where is all those botware and crack tool if one really needs them Feb 11 02:24:49 maybe it does accept rdesktop connections or so? Feb 11 02:25:13 isn't there a failsafe mode? Feb 11 02:25:31 or some "repair install" with the oem disk Feb 11 02:27:24 did you tried alt-tab ? Feb 11 02:27:39 winkey E,R don't work... ok... how do i get into failsafe mode on bootup? Feb 11 02:28:03 it's off... ready to start... what key is it? Feb 11 02:28:07 f8? Feb 11 02:28:10 in the dark ages (pre vista) it was hammering F8 during boot afaik Feb 11 02:29:35 to get into failsave, turn off mid-boot :) Feb 11 02:29:43 it will say 'hey, your boot failed, let me..." Feb 11 02:30:34 gawd dam Feb 11 02:30:43 he had a dvd in it... Feb 11 02:31:46 lol Feb 11 02:32:11 the toshiba recovery dvd Feb 11 02:34:01 what was that single command line vista? well even without the disk... it still boots to that null desktop Feb 11 02:35:17 johnrw: F8 Feb 11 02:35:44 now it is hooked to my lan... but wants to setup 3 kinds of connectivity... wireless, broadband, and dialup. No "I'mm already connected" Option! Feb 11 02:36:29 would be to obvious Feb 11 02:37:23 right..... I feel sorry for the windows world... Feb 11 02:37:39 getnameinfo seems to be disabled in the x86, but work in mipsel/brcm-2.4. Odd Feb 11 02:37:58 btw, i built kde 4.2 last weekend... it's kinda nice... Feb 11 02:38:22 make that... it really nice...(what I could build) Feb 11 02:38:43 johnrw: I remember that when booting with f8, there was a choice to boot straight into cmd.exe Feb 11 02:45:59 ok... i found the F8 options... picked safe mode... Feb 11 02:47:04 Toshiba recovery DVD == Windows Vista Command-Line only One-Application Edition Feb 11 02:49:34 i don't think this is going to do any better... and man...... i can't believe how slow this dual core is... Feb 11 02:50:33 does "last known working configuratioon" ever solve things? It has in XP... when i was using that... Feb 11 02:51:44 I think you need a #Vista channel for more. Last known good is enough to boot, but doesn't typically deal with slow. if it boots, it considers it good Feb 11 02:53:07 johnrw: maybe you should investigate autostart stuff, find the app that's hiding the desktop and yeah... search some windows "experts" Feb 11 02:55:04 Hey... now it says... The Program Bonjour Service has changed since it was granted access to the Internet! McAffee does not recognize this program. Feb 11 02:56:26 RoundSparrow: I'd go to the vista help, but when they do a whois on me and see #kde i'll bet i get bad advice... Feb 11 02:56:29 ::) Feb 11 02:57:04 Windows users likely not even know what KDE is Feb 11 02:57:16 just tell you confused it with windows 7 ;) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Feb 11 02:59:57 2009